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Post by pinxminx on May 14, 2009 23:36:12 GMT
Yord! STOP!
STOP!
You are 'clearly' quite angry.
WHY?
I couldn't sleep, not because I am a 'sap' as you blatently put it.
Why do you hold such a venement view?
I love my mum and always will till the day she dies and beyond. I don't hold the view that she is a burden on me, rather the opposite actually, I'm more upset coz I can't help her more?
Don't you understand that?
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Post by yord on May 15, 2009 0:07:33 GMT
Why ? coz this isnt about you , and no Im not in the slightest angry, why dont you understand that
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Post by yord on May 15, 2009 0:11:08 GMT
"How does it benefit them to be informed?"
by knowing that its one of the most natural things on earth. By knowing that they dont need to go through that utter hell that societies morals, self rightousness, and the law dictate.
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Post by yord on May 15, 2009 0:51:12 GMT
perhaps you think its OK and quite in order that they need to feck off to the likes of switzerland coz oh no we cant do that sort of thing here ? By feck no , just keep the bastards doped up and hidden away instead, come on just another day you can manage that cant you
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Post by kubik8 on May 15, 2009 0:53:42 GMT
Don't quote me out of context Yord. There are times when cold hard reasoning is necessary, and times when it is not.
WTF have society's morals and self-righteousness got to do with the shock and turmoil a suddenly terminally ill relative brings upon you? And the law? What on earth has that got to do with it?
It's not so bad when you've had to deal with such things before, and in time came to terms with it.
But it always takes time.
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Post by kubik8 on May 15, 2009 0:55:23 GMT
Oh you're on about assisted suicide.
Righty-ho.
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Post by yord on May 15, 2009 10:00:45 GMT
"WTF have society's morals and self-righteousness got to do with the shock and turmoil a suddenly terminally ill relative brings upon you? And the law? What on earth has that got to do with it?" quite a lot actualy. Isnt it still even taboo to talk about these things which this very thread shows ? " Your bang out of order " " Theres a time and place " Yet you can bet your sweet arse your going die and the chances of that death being clean and decent are probably 1000s to 1. Nooooo whatever you do dont fecking mention it, you might upset some daft git even more than the sudden shock of finding someone they love is going to die  well feck me , what a suprize that must have been. And it aint the dying , its the absolute sh*t of looking after some terminaly ill victim , and in the case of stroke victims , probably someone that cant talk , is blind , and fecking paralysed and we are capable of keeping the poor sods alive for years in this condition |
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Post by yord on May 15, 2009 10:03:18 GMT
not only capable , WE DO
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Post by kubik8 on May 15, 2009 10:18:34 GMT
Yes I figured out what you were on about. It just takes me a while (because of the stroke you see, heh)
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Post by yord on May 15, 2009 10:42:51 GMT
"Do you really think I'm naive Yord?"
not for second. Did you really think that Im so callous as the wind some dope up in this matter ?
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Post by pinxminx on May 15, 2009 23:29:54 GMT
But you are wrong, and if all stroke victims assumed they were going to die because of their sudden condition and were helped to terminate their lives, because seemingly 'Yord' suggests they will be a burden on others, would be quite frankly a lie, an injustice, and further more immoral!
People CAN recover from strokes.
People do.
The worst of inflicted people with terrible debilitating illnesses can still have a rich life.
What are you saying?
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Post by pinxminx on May 15, 2009 23:42:42 GMT
'And it ain't the dying , its the absolute sh*t of looking after some terminally ill victim , and in the case of stroke victims , probably someone that cant talk , is blind , and fecking paralyzed and we are capable of keeping the poor sods alive for years in this condition'
You are quite sad Yord.
When I was at Uni studying I met a fabulous person, very intelligent , that was bound to a wheelchair, blind and really poorly. Thankfully this government provided her with an interpretor, many carers and she was really looked after, she studied Psychology with me, she had little quality of life, but her brain was still there, and she managed to contribute fabulously in debates to others on her course. Don't you think that is a contribution to Society, she really helped others to understand people like her and at the same time respond to the general debate, plus she wasn't bitter at all.
I really don't understand your argument.
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Post by pinxminx on May 15, 2009 23:49:36 GMT
The Euthanasia debate is a different thing altogether.
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Post by pinxminx on May 16, 2009 0:10:23 GMT
'not only capable , WE DO'
Yes we do, and pray tell me what do you suggest as an alternative?
People make amazing recoveries, beyond the bounds of science and actual fact, not to mention the religious implications that might be applicable!
What are you suggesting Yord! we just knock off anyone that might not be able to make the standard?
I think the Nazi's tried that!
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Post by pinxminx on May 16, 2009 0:13:45 GMT
GoodNight.
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Post by yord on May 16, 2009 0:49:02 GMT
what Im suggesting is that the morals of society and the law have no place in this and the choice in this matter is individual
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Post by yord on May 16, 2009 1:08:24 GMT
"I really don't understand your argument."
If you dont understand the argument then how can you be critical of it ? Are you just relying on what others tell you for judgement ?
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Post by pinxminx on May 16, 2009 19:41:41 GMT
Aww thanx Trisha. 'even if he hadn't it would have been a labour of love to care for him'.
So nice, my sentiments entirely.
Yord, you posted, 'what I'm suggesting is that the morals of society and the law have no place in this and the choice in this matter is individual'.
Whilst I respect your view - of course the individuals choice matters, but their state of health might effect their mental state, in that they might feel like giving up and be extremely depressed about their dire situation, thus making a wrong and rash decision. If doctors and medical staff are positive or even hopeful that they will make a full or partial recovery, don't you think that the prolonging of their life should be encouraged?
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Post by yord on May 16, 2009 19:51:40 GMT
Of course the state of your health effects your mental state which is all the more reason to make a decision long before hand as once its happened its too late . The decision to be made is do you really wish to cling to life , paralysed , blind and without the ability to communicate your wishes ? You think Im exagerating ,this just take a walk down any hospital stroke ward. In fact spend a day in one if they'll let you.
"don't you think that the prolonging of their life should be encouraged? "
It dosnt make a scrap of diofference what I think or what anyone else thinks including the law . It is your decision and I personaly do not need anyone telling me what that decision should be or making any critism of it.
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Post by yord on May 16, 2009 19:56:32 GMT
one of the most horrifying things about this is the odds are pretty good that if you take a stroke you will be admitted to hospital . phwwwwww sounds good dosnt it . Depending on the severity of the stroke you just try getting out again
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