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Post by flatandy on Dec 1, 2023 18:49:30 GMT
I think it was more that they realised that they'd let an appalling, grasping narcissist into their family. I'm not sure it counts as "letting someone into your family" when it's by birth and upbringing. |
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Post by flatandy on Dec 1, 2023 18:49:41 GMT
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 1, 2023 20:08:21 GMT
I think it was more that they realised that they'd let an appalling, grasping narcissist into their family. Yeah, but they killed her in Paris. Marilyn and the Kennedys? |
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Post by voice on Dec 1, 2023 20:26:24 GMT
Good points voice. But we don't know that it did vex people inside the palace. It could be that they were pleased that a mixed race child was entering The Firm. I would have thought that the vast majority of English people (not members of the press) couldn't give a monkeys either way. And I think most chaps think that Harry is a lucky fcuker. But my main point is: Is simply wondering about the colour of a child racist? Too simplistic a question really, it always depends on the context of the discussion, who is wondering, the manner of that wondering and the past utterances of the person wondering. Even in mids supposed example there would be context, the Celt who married a Nigerian, sounds like ut was open discussion amongst the family rather than muttered about behind their backs. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 1, 2023 20:27:59 GMT
"And I think most chaps think that Harry is a lucky fcuker."
They might have, once. Not now.
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Post by flatandy on Dec 1, 2023 20:36:47 GMT
I don't think anyone who has the misfortune to be born into that family is a lucky f**k*r unless they can take the money while avoiding all the pomp and ceremony and show and deference and publicity and so on. I think even minor royals mostly don't get the kind of money than KC3 has, and still have the Daily Mail taking photos of their short skirts and still have to go to polo matches and garden parties during The Season wearing exactly the right things, and still have to know their exact position in the rankings, to know who to call Sir or Sire or Your Majesty or whatever, and who to expect to do that for them.
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Post by mids on Dec 1, 2023 20:44:58 GMT
Still, it's good to have it confirmed that there's not a racist bone in the Royal family's body. The more intelligent of us knew that all along, of course.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 1, 2023 21:14:09 GMT
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 1, 2023 21:14:29 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Dec 1, 2023 23:25:05 GMT
There's a kerfuffle going on in the English press as a new book out on the Royal Family mentions that two members discussed between themselves what colour Megan and Harry's children might be. To be clear: Prince Harry and the Duchess of Sussex and this incident happened, of course, before Prince Archie was born. The two un-named members of the Royal Family are being called Racist. Now, I have no idea if these people really are Racist but my question is this: Is it racist to wonder what colour the child of a mixed race couple will be? I bet there must be countless Aunts and Uncles of Indian; Pakistani; West Indian and white families who wonder what colour the child of a mixed race couple will be. They may be very happy that their Nephew or Niece has fallen in love with someone of a different race but still quite innocently wonder what shade the sprog may be. It could be asked in a racist way - but in of itself I do not see it as intrinsically racist. Ha ha ha ha! (Side note - I don’t know why this is news. I really don’t.) (Side note 2 - I do personally think it’s a weird thing to wonder. My family is full of mixed race / birracial people and I have never wondered, before they were born, whah their skin tone would be. I had not realised this was a thing.) (Side note 3 - even if you were going to wonder, wouldn’t you just assume they would look like any regular white person given what their parents look like? |
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Post by Repat Van on Dec 1, 2023 23:28:40 GMT
My mixed race office mate mentioned this when it first came out. Her mum's Nigerian and her dad's First Nations British. She also has mixed race nieces and nephews and said that speculation about the colour of mixed race babies in her family was intense. Most of this came from the Nigerian side. This sounds made up. |
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Post by Repat Van on Dec 1, 2023 23:30:36 GMT
Good points voice. But we don't know that it did vex people inside the palace. It could be that they were pleased that a mixed race child was entering The Firm. I would have thought that the vast majority of English people (not members of the press) couldn't give a monkeys either way. And I think most chaps think that Harry is a lucky fcuker. But my main point is: Is simply wondering about the colour of a child racist? If it were truely the case that it “pleased people at the palace (and I don’t believe it did for a second) then Megs and Hazza would have clearly picked that up and would not think it worthy of comment the way they did. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 2, 2023 8:06:48 GMT
TBF, WKC often worried about what colour his own kids would be.
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Post by unclejunior on Dec 2, 2023 8:37:07 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Dec 2, 2023 11:28:43 GMT
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Post by wetkingcanute on Dec 2, 2023 11:54:58 GMT
He can call the Royal Family whatever he likes - people have been critical of the Monarchy or hundreds of years - often with good reason. I don't give a flying f**k about the Royal Family.
My only point, as I have tried to explain, is that it is not RACIST to wonder what colour a mixed race baby may turn out to be.
It may well be that, in a particular instance, a Racist might ask that question but that is not the point.
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Post by Repat Van on Dec 2, 2023 13:11:18 GMT
He can call the Royal Family whatever he likes - people have been critical of the Monarchy or hundreds of years - often with good reason. I don't give a flying f**k about the Royal Family. My only point, as I have tried to explain, is that it is not RACIST to wonder what colour a mixed race baby may turn out to be. It may well be that, in a particular instance, a Racist might ask that question but that is not the point. I trust Hazza to know the context it was being said in. |
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Post by flatandy on Dec 2, 2023 14:39:22 GMT
Voice often wonders what colour his patients are going to be. It's not racism. Too blue and the authorities might start suspecting pillow action.
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Post by flatandy on Dec 2, 2023 14:51:36 GMT
Anyway, yeah, I don't suppose it's necessarily racist to wonder about recessive genes and skin colour and all that in the kids of a mixed race relationship. But if you're a particularly senior royal and you talk about it as if it might be a problem for the royal family (we don't know for sure that this is the case, but it's certainly implied) then it would be racist.
Not that it matters much. We're pretty sure that lots of them are racist. Harry paraded around in Nazi gear as if it was a joke. The previous monarch's spouse made lots of racist comments, as if he were Boris Johnson in the Spectator. The monarch two before that spent lots of time cozying up to Hitler. It's not exactly a revelation to learn that the British aristocracy has weird issues around race.
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Post by mids on Dec 2, 2023 15:13:10 GMT
It's true that Barry and, hugely, Morgan are massive racists but the rest of them almost certainly aren't.
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