Is this racism?

[perrykneeham]

Oh, that's just silly. Comparing everything with Donald Trump, when the actual comparison is between their background and that of the group that they are being held out to belong to. You might have a point if Donald had done a Justin.

[flatandy]

Everyone has some privilege compared to some other people. That's kind of the nature of privilege and why most people need to check their privilege when judging others.

But it's hard to see what the meaning of the privilege you're describing is, other than "Yeah, out of the black women who grew up in single parent household in the US, Harris was in a relatively better position to succeed than some, because she didn't grow up in abject poverty and her mum was an academic" which doesn't tell us almost anything.

[perrykneeham]

It's nothing like that though, is it? Like St. Barry, she has less in common withe group she affects to belong to than people who belong to groups that might be seen as their racial analogue i.e. white trash.

[flatandy]

I don't really understand your point. Do either of the pretend to be (non-white) trash? The only person who seems to have burnished his "I was genuinely a redneck yokel" credentials is JD Vance. The other two repeatedly tell us (to the point of utter tedium) about their middle class roots.

[perrykneeham]

No, I think you have the wrong end of the stick. Neither Barry or Kamala are even remotely representative of the group we are given to believe they are championing: neither grew up poor, lacking opportunity or actually afro-american (at least not in the sense usually conveyed by the first two characteristics).

[flatandy]

Sorry, which group are we meant to believe Kamala is championing. I think you have the wrong end of the stick if you think she's a token diversity hire who's just the face of some group (Indian? Black? Women? Californians from the East Bay? Lawyers? Kids with academics for parents? Kids with single parents? People married to Jews?).

[perrykneeham]

Oh, she's deffo a diversity hire. No question about that. She represents any number of constituencies, but mainly they're holding her out as an afro-american. Interestingly, she's clearly playing down the chick card as, I am told, that backfired on Mrs. Clinton.

[voice]

When you have nothing to attack interns of her policies and positions on issues why do you fall back on racism? Is it cos that's what you always fall back on when seeing non whites doing well or gaining advantage, you have believe they don't really deserve it, haven't earned it unlike a white person, she was gifted it. These tired racists tropes from the right are getting old.

[perrykneeham]

When the Left can't offer a sensible defence, they always resort to accusations of racism, or sexism of homophobia, etc., as nauseum.

Are you saying she hasn't had plenty of privileges which, typically, her purported cohort did not?

[perrykneeham]

You really are a chump sometimes. If you hadn't prematurely popped off at the first appearance of an opportunity to from your own sanctimonious posturing, you might have spotted that I was supporting her, but critiquing a facet of the US political landscape.

[perrykneeham]

It's also worth remembering that I voted for a party that's produced both female and minority leaders, whereas you voted for one that's done neither.

In fact Labour's only claim to solidarity with the ordinary citizens is that their leader's school wasn't private all the time he was there.

[voice]

I think my irony meter just exploded, ffs the brass neck of it moaning about being called on your racism. You call her a DEI hire, meaning as a non white she didn't earn what she achieved in the same way a white person would have and if not for DEI stuff a white person would be there in her place. Its clear you never think any non white person who achieves in life really deserves it and are on the whole taking the place of a better qualified white person. you've said this so often, yet you're still going to pretend having that pointed out is the left having no defense, when really its you who have nothing and just resort to saying 'DEH hire'.

You'd have voted for a bladder on a stick if had a tory ribbon attached, be honest.

[perrykneeham]

I don't think you understand irony.

She's clearly a diversity hire. I don't think anyone seriously doubts that. The VP does precisely fuckall, so what's she bringing to the party.

I don't suppose you'd care to li ..
. oh, yeah.

[voice]

See, cos she's non white you have no doubt she's only there cos she was favored over a better qualified white person. Unless you have a link showing she won all her elections and so on simply cos she was a DEI hire and all those voters would really have preferred a better qualified white person, oh, right, she beat white people in those votes, so...

[perrykneeham]

Oh, I'm entitled to an opinion, as are lots of other people. Sadly, you can't cope with that as your sense of worth is entirely based on your self-righteousness, and both are illusions.

Hence the screaming and isms.

[voice]

Still hilarious that racists have no issues with being racist, but get incredibly pearl clutchy when its pointed out how racist they are.

[perrykneeham]

More ists and isms? Make my point for me, eh?

[voice]

Yeah and that point is you said very clearly she was undesering cos she was DEI hire. A clear, and well worn racist trope.

Don't want isms used to describe you, don't be one

[mids]

But she is a diversity hire. Biden actually said it. He said he was going to pick a black woman as his VP.

[voice]

What difference is that to every other president before him saying he'd hire a white man for the job? Or do you think saying they wanted a white bloke for the job is fundamentally different from someone saying, "hey I know we've always handed this job to white dudes but I want someone not white for a change"