Is this racism?

[Repat Van]

I see the Trump supporters (Bear / Mids) are out in force.

The claims that Harris is unqualified are incredibly funny when you consider she is facing Trump.

If she is unqualified what on earth is he? Claims she is unqualified are just racists being when their true objection is to a female non-white US President.

Just racists being racist. As per usual.

[perrykneeham]

Aug 24, 2024 16:11:50 GMT voice said:

Yeah and that point is you said very clearly she was undesering cos she was DEI hire. A clear, and well worn racist trope.

Don't want isms used to describe you, don't be one

She can be a diversity hire and it not be racist to point that out.  You really don't have a point, do you?  If you don't want to be pointless, have one.

[perrykneeham]

Aug 24, 2024 16:48:23 GMT Repat Van said:

I see the Trump supporters (Bear / Mids) are out in force.

The claims that Harris is unqualified are incredibly funny when you consider she is facing Trump.

If she is unqualified what on earth is he? Claims she is unqualified are just racists being when their true objection is to a female non-white US President.

Just racists being racist. As per usual.

Odd, when I've literally said the opposite, in this very thread. Fuckwit.

[Repat Van]

Aug 24, 2024 16:37:39 GMT mids said:

But she is a diversity hire. Biden actually said it. He said he was going to pick a black woman as his VP.

He didn’t say he was going to pick a black woman. If he was he would not have picked Kamala.

He said he was going to have his VP be a woman.

And the fact he said that doesn’t mean she isn’t qualified. Similar to how Kamala had to pick a white man for VP (and Hilary before her). Doesn’t mean their white male VP candidates weren’t qualified.

Also by this logic when women were barred from power in the US almost all male past presidents and VPs were DEI candidates.

[perrykneeham]

Who said she isn't qualified? Stop making stuff up.

[voice]

Yeah right, we know when the right dismiss non white people's achievements by saying oh they are just DEI hires" we know they are saying it's implicit they only got the job because of quota thing and that really they took a job a better qualified white person should really have had.

It's not so much a dog whistle these days than a fog horn announment for other racists

[mids]

I see Comma-law is a diversity hire these days.

[perrykneeham]

Aug 24, 2024 18:16:51 GMT voice said:

Yeah right, we know when the right dismiss non white people's achievements by saying oh they are just DEI hires" we know they are saying it's implicit they only got the job because of quota thing and that really they took a job a better qualified white person should really have had.

It's not so much a dog whistle these days than a fog horn announment for other racists

"Implicit". Mmmm .... nothing "People's Committee" about that.

[flatandy]

JD Vance is a diversity hire - a genuinely f**k**g terrible one, but definitely a diversity hire - yet somehow Team "Waaah! Diversity Hires!" never seem to think that one is worth mentioning.

[perrykneeham]

What you're saying is that diversity hires exist, but your one isn't one. Well done.

[Repat Van]

Aug 24, 2024 19:31:21 GMT perrykneeham said:

What you're saying is that diversity hires exist, but your one isn't one. Well done.

We’re saying she is immensely qualified for the role. There being an all female shortlist does not change that.

(And she is definitely more qualified than her opponent so the entire conversation is bizarre in that context.)

[mids]

She's immensely qualified to lead the Dems. To be the Pres, not so much.

[perrykneeham]

Again, you're arguing a point I haven't made.

[voice]

There have been attempts to make workplaces and bureaucracies better reflect the population and not just be all old white blokes, so yeah the original concept and meaning of hiring a diverse individuals and including minorities is clearly real. However when the right use it, its used as an insult, they've replaced overt racist labeling with 'DEI' (also 'vibrant'), but they are fooling no one. Its obvious those calling Harris a DEI hire are implying she is not actually qualified to do the job and only got it cos was a woman and black.

DEI has become the latest front in the rights culture war BS.

[perrykneeham]

Again, not the argument.

[Repat Van]

Aug 24, 2024 20:25:29 GMT voice said:

There have been attempts to make workplaces and bureaucracies better reflect the population and not just be all old white blokes, so yeah the original concept and meaning of hiring a diverse individuals and including minorities is clearly real. However when the right use it, its used as an insult, they've replaced overt racist labeling with 'DEI' (also 'vibrant'), but they are fooling no one. Its obvious those calling Harris a DEI hire are implying she is not actually qualified to do the job and only got it cos was a woman and black.

DEI has become the latest front in the rights culture war BS.

It’s just the new right-wing racial / gender based slur. We all know that.

They’re best ignored.

It’s why they think Harris is unqualified but are fine with Trump. It’s why Harris is an DEI candidate but not Walz (despite both being shortlisted on account of their gender AND qualifications.) And why they think the US’ history of all male shortlists is fine but not all female ones.

The racists are crying their death rattle. Best ignore them. You won’t convince them not to be racist so best to just wait for them to die out.

[perrykneeham]

Are you still arguing with yourselves?

[voice]

are you still pretending you didn't write what we all saw you write?

of course you are, its what you do.

[flatandy]

So, we all agree that Kamala Harris is more qualified than any of the other potential candidates for President who could have stood or have stood in this election? Good. Now we can move on from that racist hogwash.

And go back to Baloo's other racist hogwash where he was claiming that she is not "even remotely representative of the group we are given to believe they are championing". Despite the fact that she is not championing any group, he is still hung up on her blackness, going on and on about it, can't deal with the fact that a black and south asian woman is just well qualified and seems to be a pretty effective candidate and there's nothing particularly racial or gendered about her campaign.

Apart from the panicked freak out from the racist right on the internet, nobody's really remarking on it.

It's just like any other candidacy, based on the fact that she's done a sh*t ton of effective stuff at many levels of government, has - from what little has been released - broadly coherent and sensible policies, and is not a blithering senile atrophying fool who's surrounded by some of the weirdest people in the world.

Baloo's like an England fan of the 1980s, absolutely astonished by the existence of John Barnes (and throwing bananas at him) but thinking black footballers are speedy but lightweight and can only really be tricky wingers. The rest of us are in 2024 and watching football teams full of black players and white players in all positions on the pitch and largely not even thinking about their black or whiteness but whether they're any good.

[Repat Van]

Aug 24, 2024 22:19:25 GMT flatandy said:

So, we all agree that Kamala Harris is more qualified than any of the other potential candidates for President who could have stood or have stood in this election? Good. Now we can move on from that racist hogwash.

And go back to Baloo's other racist hogwash where he was claiming that she is not "even remotely representative of the group we are given to believe they are championing". Despite the fact that she is not championing any group, he is still hung up on her blackness, going on and on about it, can't deal with the fact that a black and south asian woman is just well qualified and seems to be a pretty effective candidate and there's nothing particularly racial or gendered about her campaign.

Apart from the panicked freak out from the racist right on the internet, nobody's really remarking on it.

It's just like any other candidacy, based on the fact that she's done a sh*t ton of effective stuff at many levels of government, has - from what little has been released - broadly coherent and sensible policies, and is not a blithering senile atrophying fool who's surrounded by some of the weirdest people in the world.

Baloo's like an England fan of the 1980s, absolutely astonished by the existence of John Barnes (and throwing bananas at him) but thinking black footballers are speedy but lightweight and can only really be tricky wingers. The rest of us are in 2024 and watching football teams full of black players and white players in all positions on the pitch and largely not even thinking about their black or whiteness but whether they're any good.

This is such an odd argument from the Bear. But when you are race obsessed you cannot see anything else. The only people making a big thing of her ethnicity are the Trumpites.

The only group she is championing are Democrats (and those fed up with Trump and the current Republican Party.)