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Post by tarrant on Jan 18, 2009 11:18:53 GMT
we have a theary of evolution so cos its a theory its belif bases which is nonsence No, theories are not belief. They are reasonable conjecture based upon available evidence. Most mainstream Christians have accepted evolution and as I pointed out, Christian leaders accepted that the creation story is alegory as early as the 1st century. The far eastern religions have generally accepted an evolutionary notion for thousamds pf years. But the claim that you life will be happier if you reject a god is a belief. It is clear the British Humanist Assoc. is attempting to put its beliefs and doctrines in place of those of any and all spiritual religions. All religions do that. Yep. The British Humanist Assoc. is just another religion. |
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Post by peakman on Jan 18, 2009 12:02:45 GMT
I bet no bus comany would dare have "There is probably no Allah" on their buses!  No words needed. |
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 18, 2009 12:26:23 GMT
"Thou shall not murder", or steal or lie, all stem from a religious root. They come from common sense. |
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 18, 2009 12:29:42 GMT
But the claim that you life will be happier if you reject a god is a belief. Obviously not a religious belief. |
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Post by fastkat on Jan 18, 2009 15:37:30 GMT
| agree. It is not a religious belief if you reject a god. Some people seem unable to grasp the fact that there are those who want nothing to do with what religion stands for and choose to live their lives outside that sort of environment.
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Post by voice on Jan 18, 2009 19:00:11 GMT
And there is the real thing FK, they just cant accept that you can have a belief system that is not faith based upon myth and superstition.
I dont kill not cos some immaginarry freind has decread it wrong, I dount kill because I know it to be wrong, and the same goes for stealing, cheating on my wife and so on, you dont need a diety as an excuse to be a good person, you chose on your own to be a good person.
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Post by lala on Jan 18, 2009 20:02:58 GMT
I bet no bus comany would dare have "There is probably no Allah" on their buses! If they specified Allah, it would mean the comment was directed against Muslims, not religious types in general. So it would completely change the meaning. As for the original story, the man had a problem, he expressed his concern, his employers listened and a compromise was found. People are allowed to have individual conscience and should be free to raisde their concerns about the work they are doing. Employers should listen to their employees and try to co-operate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 20:18:19 GMT
Obviously not a religious belief.
Still a belief though, and what is it based on?
Nothing.
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Post by Libby on Jan 18, 2009 22:08:18 GMT
| agree. It is not a religious belief if you reject a god. Some people seem unable to grasp the fact that there are those who want nothing to do with what religion stands for and choose to live their lives outside that sort of environment. I completely agree Kitty! Religion should be a choice, not an affliction. Surely every human being has the right to choose. Choosing not to be religious is a basic human right, not a reason to be shunned. |
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Post by tarrant on Jan 18, 2009 22:58:42 GMT
| agree. It is not a religious belief if you reject a god. I will also agree with you. But the British Humanist Assoc. has not actually chosen to reject a god, but rather to replace that god with themselves and to replace the philosophy behind that god, as they see it, with their own doctrine. |
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 18, 2009 23:23:33 GMT
The British Humanist Association represents common sense values which the vast majority of British people would find perfectly reasonable. The British Humanist Association (BHA) is the national charity supporting and representing non-religious people who seek to lead ethical lives without supernatural or superstitious beliefs. Committed to human rights, democracy, equality and mutual respect, the BHA works for an open and inclusive society with freedom of belief and speech, and for an end to the privileged position of religion – the "established" religion of Christianity in particular – in law, education, broadcasting and wherever else it occurs.www.humanism.org.uk/ |
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Post by Scooby Do on Jan 18, 2009 23:25:31 GMT
Tarrant and Bert go head to head, ;D
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Post by puffin on Jan 18, 2009 23:38:19 GMT
| agree. It is not a religious belief if you reject a god. Some people seem unable to grasp the fact that there are those who want nothing to do with what religion stands for and choose to live their lives outside that sort of environment. I completely agree Kitty! Religion should be a choice, not an affliction. Surely every human being has the right to choose. Choosing not to be religious is a basic human right, not a reason to be shunned. I totally agree that choosing not to have a religion is no reason to be shunned, but neither should choosing to have a religion be a good reason for anyone to pour ridicule, to call them stupid and deluded and to generally insult their intelligence, which happens so often. Everyone has a choice, to believe or not believe, and that choice should be respected. |
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Post by fastkat on Jan 19, 2009 1:23:40 GMT
But I have seen Christians pour scorn on people who follow other fiaths and people who identify of having no faith at all, in not a particularly respectful or an even compassionate way, which is surely against the basic teachings of their faith.
And what about the nastiness and in-fighting between denominational churches and sects within Christianity itself? It is even worse with one Christian denying the beliefs and faith of another, sometimes even condemning them to hell.
I think some Christians should look to what is happening in their own backyard first and put their own 'holy' house in order before pontificating over everyone else.
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Post by tarrant on Jan 19, 2009 1:26:48 GMT
The British Humanist Association represents common sense values which the vast majority of British people would find perfectly reasonable. The British Humanist Association (BHA) is the national charity supporting and representing non-religious people who seek to lead ethical lives without supernatural or ect.......If those were the reality of this organisation then I and I'm sure a lot of intelligent Christians and many others would happily join. Sadly, organisations such as these like to paint themselves in a positive light. The reality of the BHA and similar groups is they seek to supplant religion with their own belief system managed and manipulated by them. Most intelligent people can see this quite clearly. |
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Post by tarrant on Jan 19, 2009 1:30:34 GMT
But I have seen Christians pour scorn on people who follow other fiaths and people who identify of having no faith at all, in not a particularly respectful or an even compassionate way, which is surely against the basic teachings of their faith. And what about the nastiness and in-fighting between denominational churches and sects within Christianity itself? It is even worse with one Christian denying the beliefs and faith of another, sometimes even condemning them to hell. I think some Christians should look to what is happening in their own backyard first and put their own 'holy' house in order before pontificating over everyone else. I dare say you have. But have you stoped to look at the nature of those who claim to be Christians and behave in this way? There is a consistancy about the very people claiming to be Christians to whom you refer. |
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Post by KrispyKoala on Jan 19, 2009 3:20:14 GMT
I think some Christians should look to what is happening in their own backyard first and put their own 'holy' house in order before pontificating over everyone else.  Wise words indeed. 
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Post by justmyopinion on Jan 19, 2009 7:27:17 GMT
"When he returned to work on Monday he was called into a meeting with managers and agreed to go back to work with the promise he would only have to drive the buses if there were no others available. "
Conviction somewhat lacking I feel.
I await a bus company accepting an advertising pitch of "There is probably no Allah"
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 19, 2009 11:58:05 GMT
If those were the reality of this organisation then I and I'm sure a lot of intelligent Christians and many others would happily join. What's your excuse for not joining? I assume you think you're in the intelligent Christian category. If there is a dark secret about the BHA which you have uncovered, couldn't you tell us what it is instead of waffling away portentously. |
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Post by radge on Jan 19, 2009 12:02:00 GMT
well if you form an organisation, then you always have an axe to grind, and thus followers will always come across as mentalists to those who dont know, care, or want
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