Banksy's latest

[auldhippy]

Dec 12, 2015 19:35:57 GMT flatandy said:

So, the amount someone's art fetches at auction defines how worthwhile their art is? That's a very un-hippy way of looking at it.

Not at all, it does however emphasise how small a pool your opinion swims in. Banksy is critically acclaimed, commercially very successful, the innovator of stencilled street art, accomplished sculptor, a brilliant concept artist, weird performance artist and could be the bloke standing next to you in the pub.

It's also a very good likeness of Steve Jobs.

[auldhippy]

1.9m views already

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[lala]

Hipster poseurs.

[auldhippy]

Art lovers.

[auldhippy]

Art lovers

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Two art lovers.

[clarity]

I like it because for me it makes a statement and challenges me to make a connection to other things. It's also a good likeness and has artistic merit on that alone.

I do like street art/graffiti (http://ilovetoronto.com/featured/2012/04/toronto-street-art-and-graffiti), Italian and French sculptures, the impressionists, Turner, Georgie O'Keeffe, Franklin Carmichael, Constable, and many more to make up an eclectic mix. I don't like Picasso or Lucien Freud or Tracey Emin, but have friends who do, and they're still friends. The point is that appreciation of any art work is subjective. When I look at a piece of art I bring something of myself to it and take away something of the artist and what they're trying to convey and at the same time I'm admiring their artistic techniques. This doesn't always happen, re Freud or Emin, but who knows maybe it will in the future.

[auldhippy]

Drop some acid just once & Picasso & Freud will become a lot more interesting, especially Freud, that is what folk look like when tripping. Nothing will help Emin though, I'd rather look at a G W Bush canine portrait than Emin.

[reverend]

Well that's says it all really, you have to be out of your brain to make sense of it!

It's just graffiti, wash it off, the only reason anyone thinks it's worth anything is because pretentious twats think it's cool!

[clarity]

It's worth what somebody will pay for it. One person's treasure is another person's trash and all that.

[auldhippy]

Dec 13, 2015 16:47:56 GMT reverend said:

Well that's says it all really, you have to be out of your brain to make sense of it!

It's just graffiti, wash it off, the only reason anyone thinks it's worth anything is because pretentious twats think it's cool!

What an excellent job of highlighting your stupid. He gives his art away for free and folks travel far to see them for free. His Banksy of England bank notes featuring Diana were thrown in bundles into protesting crowds can now fetch £200 each, his murals can fetch 6 figures and be described by auction houses as "Mural with house attached". One mural gifted to a charity raised $625k, another saved a youth club from closure. A water tank in California was daubed with "This looks like an elephant" became very saleable but resulted in the tramp who lived in it being made homeless, Banksy set him up in a new home paying his rent for a year. He doesn't "value" his work at all in any pecuniary sense accepting that many will be and have been destroyed. His work has been used by the Simpsons, McDonalds, Blur & Nickelodion. Bristol council asked their residents to vote on whether a mural should be removed and 97% voted to keep it, No one is more critical of those who value his work than Banksy " "We can't do anything to change the world until capitalism crumbles".

The "pretentious twats" include Museum of Modern Art, Metropolitan Museum of Art, American Museum of Natural History in Manhattan and Brooklyn Museum of Art. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banksy

Like Damien Hirst but with different style Banksy challenges the art world and the way art is appreciated. If you were lucky enough to have your home adorned by a Banksy mural he wouldn't give a dump if you washed it off but I'm betting you Rev, wouldn't.

[auldhippy]

banksy.co.uk/index1.asp

[lala]

Rev confuses graffiti with vandalism.

OH confuses some clever pictures with art.

[auldhippy]

Pictures are always art.

[Muz]

Some of Banksy's stuff is great. Really clever.

But, like all other slebs, his politics onto resonates if it agrees with your own.

[auldhippy]

A secret cleb, there's a novelty.

[Deleted]

The prices paid for his work though - shows just how fcuked up society is.

Apart from that, I despise most graffiti. It's the art world version of golf being a way of spoiling a good walk.

[Repat Van]

Dec 12, 2015 11:54:58 GMT auldhippy said:

Dec 12, 2015 11:36:26 GMT Repat Van said:

It would be the child of a murdering immigrant. And yes he could easily have done that. But the point is it's really lame - look help refugees because this individual child of a refugee did well. You could make the same argument in reverse. It's just really lame beloved of the arse clenching right on crowd (such as you) but really meaningless. It's like the kind of people who claim only native Americans can say anything about immigration to the US...

It would have to be a recognisable child of a murdering immigrant so let's see if you can name one?

It's far from lame it's very very pertinent, he could have chosen any number of famous immigrants from Einstein to Lady Gaga to reinforce the accurate point that immigration is essentially a good thing. He got specific, a son of an immigrant from a town very recently flattened by war and whose former residents may well be in the jungle he choose as a location. Not only is Banksy's work technically proficient its conceptually brilliant. What Modigliani did for architecture Banksy is doing for graffiti.

No it would have to be the murdering child of an immigrant. Jobs is not an immigrant.

You're arguing that migration is good because the child of a migrant turned out well.

The same logic states migration is bad if the child of a migrant turned out badly (see the 7/7 bombers). It's just lame as hell as an argument.

[auldhippy]

No I'm not arguing that other than it's a high profile artistic symbol of migration being a good thing. Most considered arguments do fall on the side of immigration being good. Really I'm just defending the merits of a work of conceptual art. If he wanted to make the reverse point as you suggest he would have needed an infamous and highly recognisable murderer. Jobs is a spectacularly successful example and is even more conceptually relevant because his old man came from Homms and part of the concept is the location of the work, ie the Jungle where refugees, possibly from Homms, are gathered. If he were just after a successful son of an immigrant he could have used Trump (shudder). Presumably Banksy had to research Jobs unless he knew his father came from Homms, unlikely, my point is Banksy delves deep for his concepts.

[auldhippy]

Dec 14, 2015 7:49:12 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

The prices paid for his work though - shows just how fcuked up society is.

Apart from that, I despise most graffiti. It's the art world version of golf being a way of spoiling a good walk.

Precisely & Banksy addresses that and scoffs at it (like Hirst), he doesn't do that because he's getting those silly prices, others are making fortunes from his work. He once sold 25 canvasses of sprayed images on the street to normal punters for $25 each and only later when he authenticated them on his website did those punters know they had Banksys. Constantly he is scoffing at the art world.