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Post by auldhippy on Jun 17, 2017 22:15:40 GMT
Where the hell is the Red Crescent UK? Cheap shot feckwit |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2017 22:16:19 GMT
The Strong Will Survive.
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Post by nobody on Jun 17, 2017 22:54:08 GMT
All the video clips on BBC Global today have been showing local people/volunteers handing out food and water. Where the hell is the Red Cross UK? Why aren't the aid services for those people set up? Surely they have an emergency procedure that should have kicked in but no sign of anything like that. Only today have they announced a central location for people to register according to BBC Global news. It's a really pathetic response from the local municipality and the rest of the government. When 86,000 people were evacuated from Fort Mac, Alberta due to wildfires the first people who stepped up were Red Cross Canada and local municipalities in other towns and cities close to Fort Mac kicked in with their emergency response plans. Why isn't this happening in London? The local authorities have been slashed to the bone which explains but does not excuse their abysmal reaction. Finding 400 new family homes in London, close to their schools, work, support networks is going to cost a whole lot more than the miserable £5m the Tory Gov has chipped in. There is rising anger throughout the UK (if my FB is anything to go by) at the atrocious response aggravated by PM May visiting but not speaking to the survivors. Austerity has played a part in this tragedy and now in the responses. It's nothing to to with austerity, and you know that. |
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Post by auldhippy on Jun 17, 2017 23:27:58 GMT
I'm certain it was and is. There's little doubt the cladding was the cheaper variety with a non retardant centre and the lost local authority jobs likely played a part in the tenants' concerns being unaddressed.
Shocking emergency response from the Council leaving locals to look after folks without so much as a toothbrush.
500 fewer firemen, 26 fewer tenders, which if it didn't play a part in this tragedy left London considerably unprotected.
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Post by clarity on Jun 18, 2017 0:19:56 GMT
All the video clips on BBC Global today have been showing local people/volunteers handing out food and water. Where the hell is the Red Cross UK? Why aren't the aid services for those people set up? Surely they have an emergency procedure that should have kicked in but no sign of anything like that. Only today have they announced a central location for people to register according to BBC Global news. It's a really pathetic response from the local municipality and the rest of the government. When 86,000 people were evacuated from Fort Mac, Alberta due to wildfires the first people who stepped up were Red Cross Canada and local municipalities in other towns and cities close to Fort Mac kicked in with their emergency response plans. Why isn't this happening in London? The local authorities have been slashed to the bone which explains but does not excuse their abysmal reaction. Finding 400 new family homes in London, close to their schools, work, support networks is going to cost a whole lot more than the miserable £5m the Tory Gov has chipped in. There is rising anger throughout the UK (if my FB is anything to go by) at the atrocious response aggravated by PM May visiting but not speaking to the survivors. Austerity has played a part in this tragedy and now in the responses. 5 million pounds is peanuts. It should be a lot more than that. The UK donates billions for oversea aid so perhaps some of those funds can be clawed back? Those people are going to need ongoing financial support for a long time. I'm truly shocked that the after response has been so pathetic. The local municipalities and the government are shameful. They should be offering those poor people an immediate cash allowance and provide counselling for the trauma they have been through. A housing officer (with lots of back up staff) should be appointed and people should be told where this is located so they can register for permanent accommodation. If that means seconded empty houses bought by off shore millionaires for investment purposes, then so be it. It will be temporary anyway and the owners should get rent for them as a sweetener. What the hell happened to the UK I used to know? The Brits used to be well known around the world for their organization skills etc. and getting things done. Every municipality here is required to have an emergency response plan, in part because we have such severe weather (tornado warning for Toronto today), and they are required to let the local population know what the plans are and what the citizens can do such as ensuring emergency supplies for your family etc. and where to go if your home is destroyed. Part of the emergency response involves seconded shelter. I really am appalled and angry on behalf of all those people who are now homeless through no fault of their own. The response from the authorities has been pathetic. |
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Post by auldhippy on Jun 18, 2017 2:22:25 GMT
The local authorities have been slashed to the bone which explains but does not excuse their abysmal reaction. Finding 400 new family homes in London, close to their schools, work, support networks is going to cost a whole lot more than the miserable £5m the Tory Gov has chipped in. There is rising anger throughout the UK (if my FB is anything to go by) at the atrocious response aggravated by PM May visiting but not speaking to the survivors. Austerity has played a part in this tragedy and now in the responses. 5 million pounds is peanuts. It should be a lot more than that. The UK donates billions for oversea aid so perhaps some of those funds can be clawed back? Those people are going to need ongoing financial support for a long time. I'm truly shocked that the after response has been so pathetic. The local municipalities and the government are shameful. They should be offering those poor people an immediate cash allowance and provide counselling for the trauma they have been through. A housing officer (with lots of back up staff) should be appointed and people should be told where this is located so they can register for permanent accommodation. If that means seconded empty houses bought by off shore millionaires for investment purposes, then so be it. It will be temporary anyway and the owners should get rent for them as a sweetener. What the hell happened to the UK I used to know? The Brits used to be well known around the world for their organization skills etc. and getting things done. Every municipality here is required to have an emergency response plan, in part because we have such severe weather (tornado warning for Toronto today), and they are required to let the local population know what the plans are and what the citizens can do such as ensuring emergency supplies for your family etc. and where to go if your home is destroyed. Part of the emergency response involves seconded shelter. I really am appalled and angry on behalf of all those people who are now homeless through no fault of their own. The response from the authorities has been pathetic. What happened is 7 years of austerity, public services cut to the bone. I share your anger. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 18, 2017 5:46:02 GMT
Pious, much?
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 18, 2017 7:13:38 GMT
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Post by mids on Jun 18, 2017 7:38:37 GMT
Planning for and overseeing emergencies is the task of the Mayor's office. Mr Khan? Oh, Mr Khan?
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Post by mids on Jun 18, 2017 7:47:41 GMT
Here's an odd thing. Among all the speculation, rumour and half-known facts, no one is saying much about how the fire started. There have been some reports that an Ethiopian taxi driver's fridge burst into flames. A woman who survived claimed that this man turned up at her door at 1.30am with a packed bag to tell her his flat was on fire and she should get out. The woman then said they walked past his flat, where the door was open, and she could see flames inside. Might be bollocks, might not be. Hopefully it will come out in the investigation.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 18, 2017 7:57:01 GMT
Yeah, by then story will be that Boris Johnson was riding to hounds in the fire escape and set fire to some refugee kids so he could see the foxes better.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 18, 2017 8:29:45 GMT
"The Sunday Times quotes the Labour MP, Ian Austin, saying: "Isn't it a good job we've got charities... when Britain's richest council can't sort out its mess."
Is LBK&C actually Britain's richest council? I doubt it.
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Post by nobody on Jun 18, 2017 9:22:56 GMT
Here's an odd thing. Among all the speculation, rumour and half-known facts, no one is saying much about how the fire started. There have been some reports that an Ethiopian taxi driver's fridge burst into flames. A woman who survived claimed that this man turned up at her door at 1.30am with a packed bag to tell her his flat was on fire and she should get out. The woman then said they walked past his flat, where the door was open, and she could see flames inside. Might be bollocks, might not be. Hopefully it will come out in the investigation. That story has been aired a couple of times, in which case it could have been arson, particularly with speed the building was engulfed, suspected accelerant being used. Also even the windward side was engulfed, most unusual. |
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Post by unclejunior on Jun 18, 2017 9:29:25 GMT
UK response to young girls blown up at a pop concert by a terrorist: "Keep calm, unite, vigils, prayers, business as usual".
Horrific accidental blaze at a residential tower: "Hate, fight, Tory scum, bring down the government".
Miserably pathetic.
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 18, 2017 9:36:08 GMT
UK response to young girls blown up at a pop concert by a terrorist: "Keep calm, unite, vigils, prayers, business as usual". Horrific accidental blaze at a residential tower: "Hate, fight, Tory scum, bring down the government". Miserably pathetic. Well if the latter is due to insufficient local government support then it's far easier to do something about the latter. The person who blew himself up at a concert is dead so no point getting angry at random people who have nothing to do with him. I don't the fire will lead to random Tories being attacked on the street. Weird you needed such an obvious difference pointing out to you but there you go |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 9:53:06 GMT
He seems to forget the uproar around May's incompetence as a home secretary, that her policies then help cause what's happening now; the support of young UK jihadists who went to Libya then came back to the UK, for example. The woman's a disaster, everyone knows it, but she won't stand down, oh no - she'll cling to power like sh!t to a blanket.
"“Before I go, I’d like to leave you with this thought. Earlier this month, something extraordinary happened. A 31-year-old climber, Alex Honnold, completed a 3,000ft rope-free ascent of El Capitan in Yosemite National Park. “Impressed as I am by his almost super-human tenacity, Honnold’s grip on that sheer Californian granite is as nothing, nothing, compared to Theresa May’s determination to cling on to power. “She has almost no footholds left, only a few weirdly shaped crags of the DUP to claw at with her feverish fingertips. “A thousand feet from the ground, with no safety net. No route, up or down. Just a howling gale of criticism buffeting her from all directions – and yet, she hangs on. She has no choice: cling on or disappear. Exist or die. And that’s why, deep down, I admire her. In a way, I love her. “Theresa May is all of us, clinging on to our hopeless lives, our crappy dreams. She’s locked in to an existential rictus of terror. Devoid, as we know, of any other human quality except tenacity, having no spark of wit, no warmth, no sincerity, no empathy. Nothing – except her refusal to let go and to tumble away onto the blessed release of the rocks below. What a f***ing monster.”"
Spot on Frankie Boyle.
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Post by unclejunior on Jun 18, 2017 10:50:07 GMT
UK response to young girls blown up at a pop concert by a terrorist: "Keep calm, unite, vigils, prayers, business as usual". Horrific accidental blaze at a residential tower: "Hate, fight, Tory scum, bring down the government". Miserably pathetic. Well if the latter is due to insufficient local government support then it's far easier to do something about the latter. The person who blew himself up at a concert is dead so no point getting angry at random people who have nothing to do with him. I don't the fire will lead to random Tories being attacked on the street. Weird you needed such an obvious difference pointing out to you but there you go Well ..the terrorist who perpetrated the Manchester atrocity has a many like minded followers here in Uk and across W Europe.Therefore I feel it is worthwhile pursuing them relentlessly and I have no problem "hating" them in extremis. The causes of the Grenfal disaster may take longer to establish and will have many strands none of which will point to deliberate murder .There are 4000 similar towers across the Uk and the number equipped as suggested in the last 48 hours are less than a couple of hundred.The blame attached to any safety shortcomings can easily be attached to all governments over the last 50 years.Of course if criminal negligence is discovered by all means prosecute . |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 18, 2017 11:12:54 GMT
No doubt Jeremy Corbyn will be along later to announce how his policy has always been fundamentally against fires and that he has been a lone voice in the wilderness crying out against the privilege of the non-combustable in our society.
Stand by for a new raft of "costed" proposals whereby every citizen on low income will be fitted with a free fire alarm and sprinklers.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 18, 2017 11:16:16 GMT
"Arrangements will be made for the family of one of those who died in the Grenfell Tower fire to travel from Syria to the UK for his funeral, the Home Office has said."
Might as well save the taxpayers' money and not bother buying the return tickets.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 18, 2017 13:08:56 GMT
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