Towering Inferno!

[auldhippy]

The cladding used on Grenfell Tower was banned in the UK, Philip Hammond has said.

The external material used on the 24-storey building has been widely blamed for helping to fuel the fire which engulfed the tower shortly after 1am on Wednesday.

Speculation is mounting over how such “flammable cladding” could have been used on the Lancaster West Estate building.


The Chancellor revealed on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: “My understanding is that the cladding in question, this flammable cladding which is banned in Europe and the US, is also banned here. That’s my understanding.”

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/grenfell-tower-cladding-banned-in-uk-chancellor-philip-hammond-andrew-marr_uk_59466b3ee4b01eab7a2e4b2a?ga

[perrykneeham]

So, someone breached the regs and the LA signed off on it:

"Rydon Maintenance Limited completed a partial refurbishment of the building in the summer of 2016 for KCTMO (Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation) on behalf of the Council, which met all required building regulations - as well as fire regulation and health & safety standards - and handover took place when the completion notice was issued by Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea building control."

It's gonna be a tough old staff meetimg tomorrow. I expect this may have something to do with council staff being asked to stay at home.

Still, I expect lessons will be learned.

[perrykneeham]

Mayor Khan't misses the point by a country mile:

"The Grenfell Tower fire was a "preventable accident" caused by "years of neglect" by the local council and successive governments, Mayor of London Sadiq Khan has said."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40320459

This almost certainly was a preventable accident. It looks like it could have been prevented in the last year by checking the installation.

[Deleted]

And by finding out who illegally installed the banned products. The MD's probably in Mexico by now.

[mids]

And whoever signed off on it. I sincerely hope jailings occur.

[Deleted]

link

To good news for a change.

[perrykneeham]

Yeah, that's great news. Great. Dunno why, but then again, neither do you.

[perrykneeham]

Anyway, panic over. Abbo's back at the helm.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40319561

"As many as twelfty people are believed to have perished at Grenfell Towers."

[nobody]

Jun 18, 2017 13:18:14 GMT auldhippy said:

The cladding used on Grenfell Tower was banned in the UK, Philip Hammond has said.

The external material used on the 24-storey building has been widely blamed for helping to fuel the fire which engulfed the tower shortly after 1am on Wednesday.

Speculation is mounting over how such “flammable cladding” could have been used on the Lancaster West Estate building.


The Chancellor revealed on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: “My understanding is that the cladding in question, this flammable cladding which is banned in Europe and the US, is also banned here. That’s my understanding.”

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/grenfell-tower-cladding-banned-in-uk-chancellor-philip-hammond-andrew-marr_uk_59466b3ee4b01eab7a2e4b2a?ga

So, quite obviously May's fault and cutting the police and fire service and general austerity 

[nobody]

Jun 18, 2017 15:43:10 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

link

To good news for a change.

Macron isn't center, he's on the right

[unclejunior]

Look below for a list of rebuttals that is currently doing the rounds....I have absolutely no idea if any of it is true ....but I do know that it is every bit as true or believable as the other speculation that is currently circulating from the the Left about the tragic events at Grenfell tower....people simply don't know what happened and the political point scoring that has been orchestrated by the Beeb has been disgraceful...


Before you join the Theresa May lynch mob here are some FACTS relating to the Grenfell tragedy..
1. The block of flats was run not by the Council but by KCTMO. This body is made up of 8 TENANTS, 4 councilors and 3 independent members.
2 Labour hold the seat that the block is situated in.
3 Labour run the London Council who manage the under funded London Fire Service
4 Emma Coad the sitting Labour MP for that ward also sat on the KCTMO.
5 The advice to stay put which Sadiq Khan has been so vocal about was given by the London Fire Service.
6 The decision to change contractors during the refurb was made by KCTMO.
7 The decision not to spend an additional £138k on fitting sprinklers was again KCTMO.
8 The decision to create ALMO organisation such as the KCTMO was made under the Right To Manage legislation passed in 2002
as part of the Commonhold and Leasehold Reform Act.
9 This was put in place to give leaseholders and tenants a greater say and the ability to self manage, which in some circumstances has clearly proven to be flawed.
10 Which Govt was in a charge when this law was passed? It was Labour.
11 Sadiq Khan as mayor of London Produced a report to say that the fire service did not need further funding.
12 Emma Coad elected Labour MP was on the board of the Tenant Management group who are being accused of not listening to tenants.
It's a modern lynch mob encouraged by bitter Labour MPs who having lost a close election want to destroy an elected government for a chance of a second election.

[nobody]

Jun 18, 2017 18:18:26 GMT unclejunior said:

Look below for a list of rebuttals that is currently doing the rounds....I have absolutely no idea if any of it is true ....but I do know that it is every bit as true or believable as the other speculation that is currently circulating from the the Left about the tragic events at Grenfell tower....people simply don't know what happened and the political point scoring that has been orchestrated by the Beeb has been disgraceful...


Before you join the Theresa May lynch mob here are some FACTS relating to the Grenfell tragedy..
1. The block of flats was run not by the Council but by KCTMO. This body is made up of 8 TENANTS, 4 councilors and 3 independent members.
2 Labour hold the seat that the block is situated in.
3 Labour run the London Council who manage the under funded London Fire Service
4 Emma Coad the sitting Labour MP for that ward also sat on the KCTMO.
5 The advice to stay put which Sadiq Khan has been so vocal about was given by the London Fire Service.
6 The decision to change contractors during the refurb was made by KCTMO.
7 The decision not to spend an additional £138k on fitting sprinklers was again KCTMO.
8 The decision to create ALMO organisation such as the KCTMO was made under the Right To Manage legislation passed in 2002
as part of the Commonhold and Leasehold Reform Act.
9 This was put in place to give leaseholders and tenants a greater say and the ability to self manage, which in some circumstances has clearly proven to be flawed.
10 Which Govt was in a charge when this law was passed? It was Labour.
11 Sadiq Khan as mayor of London Produced a report to say that the fire service did not need further funding.
12 Emma Coad elected Labour MP was on the board of the Tenant Management group who are being accused of not listening to tenants.
It's a modern lynch mob encouraged by bitter Labour MPs who having lost a close election want to destroy an elected government for a chance of a second election.

Spot on 👍

[mids]

Yeah its a very good point that anything on that list is, at this stage, every bit as valid as the criticisms that the Corbyn/BBC alliance have been putting out. The only thing to do is to wait and see.

[perrykneeham]

Looks like its Labour's very own Sad Dick Khan who's in the hot seat now.

[Repat Van]

Jun 18, 2017 18:18:26 GMT unclejunior said:

Look below for a list of rebuttals that is currently doing the rounds....I have absolutely no idea if any of it is true ....but I do know that it is every bit as true or believable as the other speculation that is currently circulating from the the Left about the tragic events at Grenfell tower....people simply don't know what happened and the political point scoring that has been orchestrated by the Beeb has been disgraceful...


Before you join the Theresa May lynch mob here are some FACTS relating to the Grenfell tragedy..
1. The block of flats was run not by the Council but by KCTMO. This body is made up of 8 TENANTS, 4 councilors and 3 independent members.
2 Labour hold the seat that the block is situated in.
3 Labour run the London Council who manage the under funded London Fire Service
4 Emma Coad the sitting Labour MP for that ward also sat on the KCTMO.
5 The advice to stay put which Sadiq Khan has been so vocal about was given by the London Fire Service.
6 The decision to change contractors during the refurb was made by KCTMO.
7 The decision not to spend an additional £138k on fitting sprinklers was again KCTMO.
8 The decision to create ALMO organisation such as the KCTMO was made under the Right To Manage legislation passed in 2002
as part of the Commonhold and Leasehold Reform Act.
9 This was put in place to give leaseholders and tenants a greater say and the ability to self manage, which in some circumstances has clearly proven to be flawed.
10 Which Govt was in a charge when this law was passed? It was Labour.
11 Sadiq Khan as mayor of London Produced a report to say that the fire service did not need further funding.
12 Emma Coad elected Labour MP was on the board of the Tenant Management group who are being accused of not listening to tenants.
It's a modern lynch mob encouraged by bitter Labour MPs who having lost a close election want to destroy an elected government for a chance of a second election.

Is there a link to the source for this information?

[nobody]

It's in the public domain

[nobody]

As a start, just google Emma Coad

[Repat Van]

Jun 18, 2017 21:44:10 GMT nobody said:

It's in the public domain

I am asking the person who posted it for a link.

I also doubt they pulled the list together so just a link to where that was posted would be useful.

[nobody]

And all I'm suggesting is you look for yourself

[Repat Van]

Jun 18, 2017 21:56:10 GMT nobody said:

And all I'm suggesting is you look for yourself

Well I'm not interested in your suggestion thanks.

I'm interested in a link to the "rebuttal". I would like to see where it is "doing the rounds".