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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 6, 2021 10:33:02 GMT
The celibacy thing is also a product of simple business management. It used to be fine for priests to be married (and is becoming more common again now) but the church didn't want to have to pay a married man's wage or to support preists' families. There's no religious reason for it but they dressed up some nonsense about Peter and/or Paul having been bachelors to justify it.
Where the Catholic Church struggles to retain priests or a presence, they are happy enough to let them marry. Converts are also allowed to keep the missus.
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Post by ootlg on Oct 6, 2021 10:49:47 GMT
Peter and Paul... mmm get you.
As for tonton Anglais, droit de seigneur with coming of age fillies was always my preference.
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Post by mids on Oct 6, 2021 11:17:57 GMT
I thought that was a bit of a myth with no basis in reality?
Anyway, are we forgetting that the sheer number of Catholic clergy probably explains some of volume of shenanigans?
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 6, 2021 12:05:41 GMT
What, that OOTLG likes chick's?
I believe that in the medieval period priests were often married - I seem to remember that the village parson in The Canterbury Tales was married.
In Soviet Block countries, there was a deal done so Catholicism would survive the problems of an atheistic government. Also, in places like Brasil they're letting them get some. Big market. Can't afford to have them going Evangelist.
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Post by flatandy on Oct 6, 2021 12:06:35 GMT
What is it with the "fillies coming of age" thing? Is it that you want someone with no experience so they can't tell how utterly incompetent you are?
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 6, 2021 12:22:02 GMT
I thought it was the celibacy thing. everyone needs an outlet. I’ve heard this but: a) Why would that lead to them f**k**g kids and not each other? b) Nuns are celibate yet you don’t hear loads of stories of nuns f**k**g kids. c) Why would they risk that when they could secretly visit sex workers.
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 6, 2021 12:22:50 GMT
They're mostly foreign types. French, Italians, Spanish. Not stalwart North Europeans. Not sayin' that's got any bearing but I'm just sayin'. Xenophobe. (It’s Catholic Churches globally though, including UK / Ireland.)
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 6, 2021 12:25:26 GMT
I thought it was the celibacy thing. everyone needs an outlet. I’ve heard this but: a) Why would that lead to them f**k**g kids and not each other? b) Nuns are celibate yet you don’t hear loads of stories of nuns f**k**g kids. Oh, I dunno, just about every girl who went through the Magdelene Laundry system felt they'd been thoroughly f**k*d.
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Post by ootlg on Oct 6, 2021 13:49:08 GMT
What is it with the "fillies coming of age" thing? Is it that you want someone with no experience so they can't tell how utterly incompetent you are? It was a joke, something that ill-equipped po-faced wokists don't understand.
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Post by ootlg on Oct 6, 2021 13:49:56 GMT
But apart from that - yes.
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Post by ootlg on Oct 6, 2021 13:52:33 GMT
I thought it was the celibacy thing. everyone needs an outlet. I’ve heard this but: a) Why would that lead to them f**k**g kids and not each other? b) Nuns are celibate yet you don’t hear loads of stories of nuns f**k**g kids. c) Why would they risk that when they could secretly visit sex workers. The naivety.
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Post by voice on Oct 6, 2021 13:56:11 GMT
Nuns are evil in other ways, sadistic b!tches for the most part. Many stories of their extreme cruelty
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Post by ootlg on Oct 6, 2021 14:18:01 GMT
Going by the Irish reports nuns appear to be far more cruel than their male counterparts. Hell hath no fury etc. I knew one years ago (not in the biblical sense) who cared for psychiatric patients, a really sweet bird, but she ended up like her charges.
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 6, 2021 15:01:32 GMT
Nuns are evil in other ways, sadistic b!tches for the most part. Many stories of their extreme cruelty I don’t doubt that. But the comment was that celibacy is a driver for paedophilia.
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Post by ootlg on Oct 6, 2021 15:11:24 GMT
Are you saying celibate females can't be paedophiles?
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Post by mids on Oct 6, 2021 15:11:34 GMT
Maybe they're just peeedos.
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Post by voice on Oct 6, 2021 15:53:17 GMT
Cruelty born of celebrate induced frustration
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Post by ootlg on Oct 6, 2021 16:31:54 GMT
Not sure it's sexual frustration. It's usually childhood abuse.
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Post by flatandy on Oct 6, 2021 16:55:10 GMT
I don't think celibacy is the driver. The problem seems to be that being in the church gives you a position of power, and the church covers up crimes, so people who're inclined to that sort of thing are probably attracted to the job.
The same way that violent authoritarian shitheads are attracted to being policemen, and gun-nut violent authoritarian shitheads are attracted to being policemen in the US.
I think the celibacy thing is probably a post-facto justification.
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Post by mids on Oct 6, 2021 17:02:23 GMT
What about other churches that don't have celibacy and don't seem to be similarly afflicted? Or maybe they are.
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