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Post by voice on Mar 22, 2019 15:37:54 GMT
Simply put
Atheism concerns itself with questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.
Plus religion largely depends on where you were born and what your family believes, were you born in Baghdad Avi you'd be Muslim, or if you were born in Lhasa you'd have been a Buddhist. There is nothing inherent about religious truth, you are not special or chosen, but you feel the need to keep telling yourself you are to justify the twisting of logic you displayed earlier to enplane why your myths and stories make no logical sense. I get it, you simply can't conceive the question, never mind ask it, and keep your faith intact.
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Post by perrykneeham on Mar 22, 2019 15:45:00 GMT
"Religion is answers that may never be questioned"
Not sure that's true. There is plenty of discussion of religion within each religion, I would have thought. Doctrinal rigidity is perhaps what defines a Religion.
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Post by voice on Mar 22, 2019 15:56:36 GMT
yeah, lots of twittering round the edges, but the fundamental question around creation for instance, are verboten.
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Post by perrykneeham on Mar 22, 2019 16:32:46 GMT
Only from the point of the religious establishment. Even Copernicus was allowed in the end.
Depends on the religion of course, but I would have thought that the RC and especially the CofE are pretty soft on the creationist theme now, preferring to allow the Bible to be interpreted.
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Post by perrykneeham on Mar 22, 2019 16:44:07 GMT
Of course, no rational, educated person is likely to believe in traditional creationism, let alone Noah's arc, but the stance is softening, surely.
You might accept Creation as the Big Bang and that as a manifestation a divine or universal will, a pregnancy, a potential, something requiring a spark or a connection. You might even recognise that as spirit, yearning, hope or love.
I've spoken about EM Forster before, so it's not a new thing.
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Post by Gort on Mar 23, 2019 1:24:39 GMT
Atheists are the most religious of all:
They feel that they are Gods and understand everything by themselves. [/b] BINGO!!Ha Ha Ha! To come away with such a dense and dumb statement like that shows clearly that internaly you are fuking raging with envy of the free mind and will of atheizm which abides by the rules of law not religious law. You are angry because you have not got that luxury because like muslims you are entrapped by your brainwashed cult upbringing to which you are terrified of being ostracized from your brainwashed mafia or community but deep down you know you are tapped but have'nt got the balls to question it. To come away with such a medieval quote as you did above shows your internal bitterness that you do not have that freedom. Religion is for people who are weak spirited and need a belief to prop themselves up but believing in gods is just another for of insanity. I give to charity, I donate blood, I go out my way to help others and I have never harmed anyone who did'nt try to harm me first I have worked hard all my life. I dont need religion to tell me how to do good things or conduct myself. There are rules and laws out there that I follow in a civilized society. [/quote] So, I'll ask you as a true and dedicated atheist, what is your opinion about The Ten commandments also in regard to the time and culture they were given.[/quote] Furfuxake Mon Capitan,,, What part of Atheist dont you undermutherfuckinstand??
Im not interested in wasting my time reading a book that was made to measure by religious mafia gang lords..
I have a free mind, a mind that conforms to Modern scientific Civilized rules and not to medieval fables like you and your earth is flat, its only 6000 years old and there are witches religious types do.
My advice to you is ...... Get Civilized
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Post by voice on Mar 23, 2019 2:56:25 GMT
Of course, no rational, educated person is likely to believe in traditional creationism, let alone Noah's arc, but the stance is softening, surely. You might accept Creation as the Big Bang and that as a manifestation a divine or universal will, a pregnancy, a potential, something requiring a spark or a connection. You might even recognise that as spirit, yearning, hope or love. I've spoken about EM Forster before, so it's not a new thing. You'd be surprised, arkencounter.comcreationmuseum.orgNow you might things are done ironicly, but they are ready serious. I was looking a story on the CNN page about a new fossil shale bed found in China dated at 510 million years old, the comment section was awash with young earth creationists calling it fake news as to them the earth is only 6000 years old. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 7:31:09 GMT
Religions are big business, dangerous when upset and best avoided. The C of E is one of the hardest, most inhumane landlords, for example.
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Post by perrykneeham on Mar 23, 2019 7:31:42 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised TBH. Cranks are cranks the World over.
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Post by avieder on Mar 23, 2019 19:08:30 GMT
Simply put Atheism concerns itself with questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. Plus religion largely depends on where you were born and what your family believes, were you born in Baghdad Avi you'd be Muslim, or if you were born in Lhasa you'd have been a Buddhist. There is nothing inherent about religious truth, you are not special or chosen, but you feel the need to keep telling yourself you are to justify the twisting of logic you displayed earlier to enplane why your myths and stories make no logical sense. I get it, you simply can't conceive the question, never mind ask it, and keep your faith intact. I guess the existence of the Jewish people is a proof that you are wrong. An Englishman born to an English family in, say, India will remain English for a few generations. Not for good but enough to cancel your "place you were born" theory. As to "chosen": It was by G-d, that you deny, so what's your problem? As to "logical sense", I asked above about the logic of the Ten Commandments yet none of you even eluded to it. I wonder why. |
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Post by avieder on Mar 23, 2019 19:36:58 GMT
[/b] BINGO!!Ha Ha Ha! To come away with such a dense and dumb statement like that shows clearly that internaly you are fuking raging with envy of the free mind and will of atheizm which abides by the rules of law not religious law. You are angry because you have not got that luxury because like muslims you are entrapped by your brainwashed cult upbringing to which you are terrified of being ostracized from your brainwashed mafia or community but deep down you know you are tapped but have'nt got the balls to question it. To come away with such a medieval quote as you did above shows your internal bitterness that you do not have that freedom. Religion is for people who are weak spirited and need a belief to prop themselves up but believing in gods is just another for of insanity. I give to charity, I donate blood, I go out my way to help others and I have never harmed anyone who did'nt try to harm me first I have worked hard all my life. I dont need religion to tell me how to do good things or conduct myself. There are rules and laws out there that I follow in a civilized society. [/quote] So, I'll ask you as a true and dedicated atheist, what is your opinion about The Ten commandments also in regard to the time and culture they were given.[/quote] Furfuxake Mon Capitan,,, What part of Atheist dont you undermutherfuckinstand??
Im not interested in wasting my time reading a book that was made to measure by religious mafia gang lords..
I have a free mind, a mind that conforms to Modern scientific Civilized rules and not to medieval fables like you and your earth is flat, its only 6000 years old and there are witches religious types do.
My advice to you is ...... Get Civilized
[/quote] Ignoring the gutter language that you use, perhaps for lack of intelligent reasoning ability, I'll say that: 1. You don't have to read the whole Bible in order to answer my question about the Ten Commandments. 2. Do you agree that all relevant history to our society, is actually less than six thousand years. And even that history is based on previous standards, like family, for example? As to "free mind", your own statement about not willing to waste your time... proves your fright from a truth that will shutter your absolute faith that you are nothing but an accident of molecules... That your love, hate, dreams are electric circuits in your brain. I know science, just like you but I try to study the wisdom of my forefathers. Have a happy Sunday and a good week and enjoy the comming spring.... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 8:07:30 GMT
I raised the issue of the Ten Commandments on another thread but they were pretty much dismissed as unnecessary (as apparently we all know what's right and wrong).
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Post by avieder on Mar 24, 2019 8:22:12 GMT
I raised the issue of the Ten Commandments on another thread but they were pretty much dismissed as unnecessary (as apparently we all know what's right and wrong). Can you give us a link to that thread? Or, better still, c&p it here. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 8:36:19 GMT
Sorry, can't find it. Was in the last week or two.
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Post by avieder on Mar 24, 2019 9:27:57 GMT
Sorry, can't find it. Was in the last week or two. What was the jist of it? Or, you can use the search option in navigation..... ;-) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 12:17:20 GMT
Nope. It's not that one.
I suggested the 10 Commandments were acceptable values by which to lead one's life. It's in the middle of a recentish thread.
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Post by Gort on Mar 24, 2019 14:08:01 GMT
At the end of the day, the Ten commandments which are really just recomendations on how to conduct a good way of life but they sure as shiit were'nt sent from any god, they were made by man just like the Magna Carta. Rules made by man.
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Post by avieder on Mar 24, 2019 18:11:39 GMT
At the end of the day, the Ten commandments which are really just recomendations on how to conduct a good way of life but they sure as shiit were'nt sent from any god, they were made by man just like the Magna Carta. Rules made by man. Thank you. I think I saw this a few years ago in a different phrasing. The fact that we can all agree to is that it appears now in all monotheistic religions and certainly is transferred by men. My question was about the origin thereof. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Mar 25, 2019 11:01:08 GMT
Meaning that it was pointless to build a state to save the lives of people who were dead.
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Post by avieder on Mar 25, 2019 17:49:45 GMT
Oh give it up ,avi, you live in a Jewish state, mainly built because of the deaths of millions of Jews from the second world war. There are roughly 30% of the UK population who are religious, and we are talking about a mixture of many religions, not just one. Not sure this is the right place for you to sit and preach, ultra orthodox Jews hate education and science and probably never heard of Charles Darwin. Historically you are wrong red. Zionism started way before the Holocaust, and it is based on Jewish tradition thousands of years before that. True, that systematic murder was unique but slaughtering Jews was not. You are also wrong about Uptra Orthodox Jews. Yes they are well versed in Jewish law but they know Darwin and the other religions too. There are even Nobel prize winners among them. The question that you probably refere to is the compulsory teachings of non religions subjects to young children. Without wanting to start a discussion about the merits of delaying the start of cicurial studies I'll just say that they have a good point. |
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