So, should she be let back in?

[mids]

Good.

[moggyonspeed]

So perry, on this matter, is correct?

I'm happy with that.

[perrykneeham]

Hurrah!

Anyway, while I would be happy to hear that she'd been f**k*d to death by a rabid camel, I am not comfortable with banning her return as I think it's our responsibility to deal with her and frankly, I doubt this would be happening if she was white. It would have been interesting to see what happened if that Welsh slapper had survived.

Still, if she cannot bring herself to disown IS, I guess Javid's point about security is valid so, f**k her.

[mids]

She'll be back. It's not like it's all that difficult to get into the UK.

[Repat Van]

Feb 20, 2019 8:08:22 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

But on checking, the act was changed in 2002. And British citizens can, as Baloo says, be deprived of their citizenship.

link

Country's going (gone?) to the dogs.

He’s not right. The question wasn’t whether she can be deprived but whether she has renounced it. Don’t move the goalposts. If you want to argue it should be stripped from her that is a completely separate discussion.

[Repat Van]

Feb 20, 2019 7:55:44 GMT perrykneeham said:

Oh, there's a new argument now, is there?

"It is understood the home secretary is relying on section 40(2) of the British Nationality Act 1981 to strip Begum of her passport. It says he can “by order deprive a person of a citizenship status if the Secretary of State is satisfied that deprivation is conducive to the public good”, and if they have behaved in a way that “is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the United Kingdom”."

No no new argument. The discussion was whether her renouncing it I formally counts. If you want to discuss whether the government can strip it away that is completely separate.

Put the goalposts back.

[Repat Van]

Feb 20, 2019 9:27:27 GMT mids said:

She'll be back. It's not like it's all that difficult to get into the UK.

Yet 2 of my former colleagues have had to return to Oz because they couldn’t get a stay in the UK.

[perrykneeham]

Feb 20, 2019 10:17:53 GMT Repat Van said:

Feb 20, 2019 7:55:44 GMT perrykneeham said:

Oh, there's a new argument now, is there?

"It is understood the home secretary is relying on section 40(2) of the British Nationality Act 1981 to strip Begum of her passport. It says he can “by order deprive a person of a citizenship status if the Secretary of State is satisfied that deprivation is conducive to the public good”, and if they have behaved in a way that “is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the United Kingdom”."

No no new argument. The discussion was whether her renouncing it I formally counts. If you want to discuss whether the government can strip it away that is completely separate.

Put the goalposts back.

No need. Final whistle's been blown. Better luck next time.

[Deleted]

She and the child are now stateless.

[flatandy]

Of course the Home Secretary can do what he's done.

It's still wrong. There's still no due process. We're now in a state where it's purely the whim of new Home Secretary Ken Livingston to find that Jews aren't real people and therefore don't need citizenship.

And Baloo remains wrong because she was still a British citizen, hadn't renounced citizenship.

[flatandy]

Feb 20, 2019 7:31:56 GMT perrykneeham said:

Feb 19, 2019 22:08:11 GMT flatandy said:

Eh? What are you on about? She's not renounced her citizenship, so she's still a citizen. If someone says "Britain doesn't feel like my home any more" - like a million racist arseholes do when they hear foreign accents on the street - is it fine for the home secretary to remove all of their rights, too?

Depends if they then go overseas for a number of years and join a hostile organisation, antithetical to the continued existence of UK.

How many years is the right amount? I've been overseas longer than her. Should I lose my citizenship?

And who defines what qualifies as "antithetical to the continued existence of the UK"? There are a ton of ex-pats who are members of the Tory Party which seems to be deliberately trying to break up the country. By your reasoning, their citizenships should be revoked.

[perrykneeham]

Yeah, she had. Just needed to do the paperwork if she wanted UK's stamp. Unilateral. Doesn't make it any less valid, if she's sincere.

Prooof's in the pudding, innit?

[mids]

And it's not as if she's fit or anything, so...

[flatandy]

Feb 20, 2019 15:03:46 GMT perrykneeham said:

Yeah, she had. Just needed to do the paperwork if she wanted UK's stamp. Unilateral. Doesn't make it any less valid, if she's sincere.

Prooof's in the pudding, innit?

This is nonsense, isn't it?

[perrykneeham]

Nope. It's spot on.

[flatandy]

It's gibbering nonsense. You appear to be suggesting that someone has effectively lost their citizenship for thought crimes, and that the Home Sec is just formalising that loss.

[perrykneeham]

Nope. She's made a pledge of personal allegiance to a foreign power, one which is hostile to (and espouses an existential abhorrence of) the UK.

[flatandy]

When did she do that? And you are stripping her citizenship for a thought crime.

[Whiterum]

There has already been over a 150 jihadists/criminals who have been stripped of their British status and are not allowed back to the UK, she can go boil her head.

[perrykneeham]

Feb 20, 2019 15:40:03 GMT flatandy said:

When did she do that? And you are stripping her citizenship for a thought crime.

She didn't think it. She expressed it. It's a requirement of joining apparently.

So there.