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Post by jimboky on May 27, 2020 13:04:51 GMT
 Uncle Joe finds his way out of his basement, |
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Post by jimboky on May 27, 2020 13:13:41 GMT
some in my side don't think Biden will be the one running, they think he will either have a heart attack or more likely die before Nov, he is just too good to be true I think, I don't think he will step aside willingly, but who knows
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Post by flatandy on May 27, 2020 13:48:34 GMT
Uncle Joe is rocking the Mask and Aviators look.
Weird little poll out of Utah yesterday that had him only 3% behind Trump. In UTAH! It would be weird to replace him when he is absolutely destroying Trump in all the polling.
I think the Trumpers might be doing the same thing that the rest of the Democratic contenders did: see no love for Biden on social media and assume that he therefore won't get any votes. Nobody's excited about a Biden presidency. But nobody's terrified of one, either. Lots of people are terrified of more Trump, the same way that lots of people were terrified by HRC and Sanders.
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Post by voice on May 27, 2020 18:29:59 GMT
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Post by flatandy on May 27, 2020 18:56:23 GMT
Apparently it's tyranny to point out that a politician's statements need to be fact checked, but not tyranny to try and deny people the opportunity to vote.
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Post by flatandy on May 28, 2020 14:25:27 GMT
Hmmm. Congressman couldn't show up in Congress to vote on FISA supposedly because of covid. But covid didn't stop him from going to Florida to watch Space-X launch. "Democrat Charlie Crist said he couldn't show up for work in Washington today "due to the ongoing public health emergency." Rep. Charlie Crist @repcharliecrist · "Looking forward to attending today’s historic manned @spacex launch to @space_Station – the first from American soil since 2011 and first ever on a commercial spacecraft. Huge step for space exploration and Florida!" hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/05/28/florida-congressman-transfers-proxy-vote-go-watch-rocket-launch/You can drive from St Petersburg to Canaveral a lot easier than you can from St Petersburg to DC. I've done the DC - Canaveral drive before and it's arduous. And you can also drive home again without having to stay in hotels and so forth. Also, standing outside watching a rocket launch involves standing outside. Being in a building with 435 other people is clearly much higher risk - and it's also work that any normal business could and would conduct remotely. It's not like street cleaning. It's clearly a job that can be done from home. |
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Post by flatandy on May 28, 2020 14:26:12 GMT
"Apparently it's tyranny to point out that a politician's statements need to be fact checked, but not tyranny to try and deny people the opportunity to vote." Why aren't they fact checking the donkeys? Which Democrat US President needs to be fact checked on twitter? |
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Post by jimboky on May 28, 2020 14:35:31 GMT
Hmmm. Congressman couldn't show up in Congress to vote on FISA supposedly because of covid. But covid didn't stop him from going to Florida to watch Space-X launch. "Democrat Charlie Crist said he couldn't show up for work in Washington today "due to the ongoing public health emergency." Rep. Charlie Crist @repcharliecrist · "Looking forward to attending today’s historic manned @spacex launch to @space_Station – the first from American soil since 2011 and first ever on a commercial spacecraft. Huge step for space exploration and Florida!" hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/05/28/florida-congressman-transfers-proxy-vote-go-watch-rocket-launch/You can drive from St Petersburg to Canaveral a lot easier than you can from St Petersburg to DC. I've done the DC - Canaveral drive before and it's arduous. And you can also drive home again without having to stay in hotels and so forth. Also, standing outside watching a rocket launch involves standing outside. Being in a building with 435 other people is clearly much higher risk - and it's also work that any normal business could and would conduct remotely. It's not like street cleaning. It's clearly a job that can be done from home. The Senate seems to manage, they can wear protective clothing if necessary, people working at Walmart manage, |
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Post by flatandy on May 28, 2020 14:41:53 GMT
The people stocking the shelves at Walmart can't do their job from home. The Senate should be working remotely: there is no reason to do their job in that physical location, and it creates a risk environment where there doesn't need to be one.
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Post by jimboky on May 28, 2020 14:46:31 GMT
no reason for them to do it from home, there is no reason for them not to vote in the senate building, hazards can be managed, they need to grow a pair
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Post by flatandy on May 28, 2020 15:58:23 GMT
no reason for them to do it from home, there is no reason for them not to vote in the senate building, hazards can be managed, they need to grow a pair This hazard can be easily managed by them working from home. Are you suggesting that people should go be required to go into crowded offices to work even though they can do their work from home? |
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Post by jimboky on May 28, 2020 16:35:47 GMT
there is something about a fat congressman willing to send troops into harms way while unable to go to office in Washington themselves, should either do their job or resign, they can wear a haz-mat suit if necessary, they each have a office, use it
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Post by flatandy on May 28, 2020 16:38:45 GMT
Why?
Presumably troops going into harms way do so for a good reason (although I accept we can argue about that, but generally you're on the other side of that argument).
There's no good reason for Senators to be in the Senate. What can they do in the Senate that they can't do from home, other than potentially expose their colleagues to an infectious disease?
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Post by voice on May 28, 2020 16:41:23 GMT
The new internet censorship regulations Trump is looking to bring forward against social media are no laughing matter -they have precedent- and it's a precedent where repeated warnings about the potential effect on free speech were consistently ignored.
The draft executive order looks set to remove 230(c) protection.
Section 230(c) of Title V of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 reads:
"No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."
This legal protection has been considered so important in allowing free speech to flourish that it has been referred to as "the 26 words that made the internet".
So where's the precedent? This protection has already been stripped away under the more recent SESTA/FOSTA bills in 2018 targeting sex workers ability to advertise online, under the demonstrably false pretext that this was somehow necessary to fight human trafficking.
Sex workers, their legal advocates, and their allies *repeatedly* warned throughout their fight against this legislation that it would not only impede their livelihoods but would also introduce a dangerous precedent capable of later being used to selectively affect the distribution and moderation of political speech online, which is exactly what Trump now intends with his executive order.
But in the end nobody listened.
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Post by Repat Van on May 28, 2020 23:56:09 GMT
"For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness," I will take results over "cool" any day. We know the left will vote on the style of sunglasses a candidate wears. For the left, it's all style, no substance. That's why Nixon lost to incompetent JFK. JFK was prettier. Sigh... |
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Post by jimboky on May 29, 2020 3:52:22 GMT
I will take results over "cool" any day. We know the left will vote on the style of sunglasses a candidate wears. For the left, it's all style, no substance. That's why Nixon lost to incompetent JFK. JFK was prettier.
Today JFK would be Republican, if he supported his policies, lower taxes,
as it was the dems got rid of him to have LBJ
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Post by jimboky on May 29, 2020 12:17:24 GMT
if they cannot go to work they should retire
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Post by flatandy on May 29, 2020 13:33:18 GMT
"There's no good reason for Senators to be in the Senate. What can they do in the Senate that they can't do from home, other than potentially expose their colleagues to an infectious disease?" Given the money they make, they only work half a year, the free medical care, and all the privileges and perks they get, I don't think it's expecting too much of them to show up to work. It's not about that, as you know Nobody anywhere should be going in to work when they can work from home. The fewer unnecessary disease vectors, the better. Like many of the rest of us, Senators can be just as productive (whatever that means in this context) working from home. There's literally no reason for them to show up to Washington right now when they can debate and vote remotely. All the epidemiological advice is telling people to still not go out to large gatherings if there's any reason not to. This applies across the US, I think, but certainly applies in DC, MD and VA. |
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Post by flatandy on May 29, 2020 13:38:28 GMT
The people stocking the shelves at Walmart can't do their job from home. The Senate should be working remotely: there is no reason to do their job in that physical location, and it creates a risk environment where there doesn't need to be one. So the proles making minimum wage should have to risk their health while Pelosi gets to work in her mansion while stuffing her face with her imported ice cream? It is one of the f**k*d up consequences of the pandemic that the poor have a much higher infection rate, in part because they don't have jobs that can be done from home. But that doesn't mean that the wealthy Senators should increase their chances of getting infected, of their staffers getting infected, of the political media getting infected, of the people who clean the Capitol building's toilets getting infected, or the security staff in the Capitol getting infected, etc... etc... Not when they can do all they need to remotely. The story from the Pennsylvania state legislature shows the potential problems of them meeting in person. |
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Post by jimboky on May 29, 2020 14:13:21 GMT
the security of the vote should out way any potential health risk, the health risk can be managed, many types of PPE, hell they can get a space suit if needed, but must go to work,,, there is no remote method that cannot be hacked, foraged, if the law is important enough to be inforced the chicken shitt congress should at least show up and vote in person
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