US 2020 election

[voice]

yeah, but was it, I know this has become the latest conspiracy theory pushed by Fox and Trump, but of the 7 unmasking requests sent, no one single person knew it was Flynn who was the person engaging in criminal behavior. Or are you saying the fact he was investigated for his crimes is the real crime here and not the criminal behavior he was reported for, investigated for and plead guilty to? Also remember he resigned not cos he was caught negotiating with Russia or hiding the fact he was a paid foreign agent, but cos he lied to Pence.

[jimboky]

he was part of the incoming government, of course he called his counterparts, Russia, UK, France,,,,,,,,,,,

lying to VP, even if he did lie to VP is not a crime, this was never an investigation of a crime looking for a criminal, it was investigation of a man looking for a crime, not exactly the American way,

[voice]

calling your counterparts and negotiating with them telling them not to worry cos the present policy was going to be overturned once Obama was out of the way is vastly different, its why your country has very clear laws against it, laws he broke, admitted to, then plead guilty to, twice.

And I never said lying to Pence was a crime, ffs sake he gets lied to daily by his boss, he's more than used to it, but it was reason Flynn resigned, not cos he was caught for his criminal behavior.

Look I know you want to re-write the past to fit the present narrative, but its all matter of public record.

[voice]

Anyway taking of republican grifters and criminals, looks like another one is in hot water.

The Republican chairman of the US Senate intelligence committee will resign from the post amid an insider trading investigation.

Richard Burr of North Carolina would step down on 15 May, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said.

It has emerged on Thursday that Mr Burr's phone has been seized by the FBI as part of the probe.

The senator is alleged to have used inside information to avoid market losses from coronavirus.

He and his wife sold as much as $1.7m (£1.4m) of equities in February, just before markets plunged on fears of an economic crisis.

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52668126

Wonder if Trump and the cult will be saying the investigation of his criminality is the real crime here, as they are trying to with the criminal Micheal Flynn?

[mids]

Trump's going to win again. Just sayin'.

[voice]

in more Trump connected criminals news, convicted fraudster Paul Manifort has been released home, despite not fitting any of the Covid early release guidelines, funny that?

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52652509

Bet Cohen wished he'd kept his mouth shut about Trumps criminal behavior in paying off porn stars and prostitutes to keep quiet, he was up for Covid related release, but someone blocked it (wonder who?)

[voice]

The son shouldn't have been a criminal then or at least he should have better at not getting caught. Though I understand its an idiot thing to think bringing criminals such as Flynn and his son to justice is not what the judicial system is actually there for, but as you idiots appear to have come to believe, simply there to protect the leader and his cronies from ever facing justice for their crimes.

[flatandy]

You do know that asking for the unidentified person negotiating with the Russians to be identified - which you call "unmasking" - isn't actually scandalous at all.

Also, of course, nobody knew who the potential traitor in their midst was: they weren't asking for "Flynn to be unmasked". They were asking for the unidentified possible traitor who could have been in the Obama administration to be identified.

[voice]

You got to hand it to the right, they certainly love their conspiracy theories, it's almost like they know most on the right are gullible idiots who will simply believe almost anything conjured up that appeals to their inbuilt prejudices.

Still Trump and his propaganda ministry at Fox is desperately rubbing two sticks under this Flynn thing trying to create the impression investigating crimes and possible treason is the actual crime here.

[unclejunior]

Has Trump won yet???

[flatandy]

He hasn't even won 2016 yet. He's still 3% behind.

[unclejunior]

Not To worry Folks ....Joe has things under control.....
disrn.com/news/biden-struggles-badly-during-virtual-round-table-as-gaffes-continue-to-pile-up

[flatandy]

If the US public was worried about gaffes and stupidity and incoherence, Trump wouldn't have got a single vote in 2016.

[voice]

Interesting article about the idiots cult and just how unhinged they've become

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/qanon-nothing-can-stop-what-is-coming/610567/?fbclid=IwAR0DmHGsBx7n6vKy7wkK2KGoSdBimDIYqVz0fYCM3Cq2WzqKRD2yEyIcs1o

"Shortly after Trump’s election, as Pizzagate roared across the internet, Welch started binge-watching conspiracy-theory videos on YouTube. He tried to recruit help from at least two people to carry out a vigilante raid, texting them about his desire to sacrifice “the lives of a few for the lives of many” and to fight “a corrupt system that kidnaps, tortures and rapes babies and children in our own backyard.” When Welch finally found himself inside the restaurant and understood that Comet Ping Pong was just a pizza shop, he set down his firearms, walked out the door, and surrendered to police, who had by then secured the perimeter. “The intel on this wasn’t 100 percent,” Welch told The New York Times after his arrest."

[flatandy]

"Obamagate" is still not a thing

[voice]

its desperate desperate stuff, all this outrage over, well nothing, despite very astringent attempts to make something of nothing, its still nothing. Still lying liars lying is nothing new for the cult.

[jimboky]

Obamagate deniers,

[flatandy]

I feel like "Image is unavailable" is an appropriate response to "Obamagate deniers". It's still not a thing.

I doubt anyone on these pages can even pretend to explain what "Obamagate" is.

[wetkingcanute]

Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of sh*t. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a thingy was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

[Repat Van]

May 26, 2020 8:05:07 GMT wetkingcanute said:

Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of sh*t. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a thingy was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

I don’t like him because he’s a racist misogynist.

I generally don’t like people like that. Also all of that ^^. I actually rather liked that piece.