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Post by Repat Van on Jun 14, 2020 1:08:43 GMT
10 Florida SWAT officers quit unit over ‘political climate’: report www.foxnews.com/us/10-florida-swat-officers-quit-unit-over-political-climate-reportTen members of a police SWAT team in a South Florida city quit the unit this week, concerned about “today’s political climate” and its impact on their jobs, according to a report. In a letter dated Tuesday, the officers in Hallandale Beach, Broward County, complained of being “minimally equipped, under trained and often times restrained” in performing their duties, Miami FOX station WSVN-TV reported. The officers – who were leaving the SWAT unit but not resigning from the force -- wrote that they were concerned that city officials were “placing the safety of dogs over the safety of team members.” looks like swat is going to be made up with 2nd's More ‘good cops’ leaving because police are increasingly being held to account for their f**k ups. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 14, 2020 11:28:45 GMT
Can anyone think of a situation where it'd be useful at a school? I understand I'm looking at this from a UK perspective, so maybe simply can't see it. IED resistant? If I wanted to set off an IED at a school, I'd put it in a classroom or cloakroom. Can't see the military vehicle being much use. Also, how much do they cost to build? The school might get them cheap but only because the armed forces are getting funded for new stuff. What are you gibbering about? The forces scrap kit all the time. It is struck off charge and either flogged off or donated in aid to other countries. A Foxhound costs a out £1.2M new but that's mainly because of R&D costs and all the ECM kit (electronic counter measures), boomerang systems, night vision etc. The vehicles are pretty much useless for anything other than their design intent. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 14, 2020 11:36:12 GMT
If you were a gunman, holed up in a school, waiting for the SWAT team, would you not perhaps try and slot them as they approached the building? Perhaps booby trap the access points?
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Post by flatandy on Jun 14, 2020 13:37:01 GMT
So, the army get a new 1.2 million quid piece of kit even though their current tank is working fine, get to claim that they're not being wasteful on the budget because the tank isn't shown as being scrapped, the arms manufacturer gets to plump up their profits, and the school gets something that's pretty much useless for anything other than avoiding IED's in the Iraqi desert.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 14, 2020 13:59:03 GMT
So, the army get a new 1.2 million quid piece of kit even though their current tank is working fine, get to claim that they're not being wasteful on the budget because the tank isn't shown as being scrapped, the arms manufacturer gets to plump up their profits, and the school gets something that's pretty much useless for anything other than avoiding IED's in the Iraqi desert. Well, requirements change and vehicles do become obsolete. It's the natural order of things. I still don't think it's a bad thing to have if you need to tackle that sort of thing. The pertinent points here are that the US is such a knobhole that mass-murder in schools is so routine and that they have school police forces to deal with it. |
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Post by flatandy on Jun 14, 2020 14:31:14 GMT
Disagree. The pertinent point here is that policing is so out of control in the US that they create police forces for schools, and the system is both so corrupt and brutalising that they shovel money to the arms manufacturers in order to give the school police (who shouldn't exist) tools that are so outside the realms of what's sensible for any police. And the police think these tools are appropriate to have and use.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 14, 2020 14:43:42 GMT
Disagree. The pertinent point here is that policing is so out of control in the US that they create police forces for schools, and the system is both so corrupt and brutalising that they shovel money to the arms manufacturers in order to give the school police (who shouldn't exist) tools that are so outside the realms of what's sensible for any police. And the police think these tools are appropriate to have and use. Well the first half of that is you basically agreeing with me and the second part is tosh. The arms industry has nothing to do with it as the kit is obsolete and re-purposed. That's environmentally friendly too. I certainly don't care for America's good ole boy cop culture but there's no harm in having something on hand for emergencies if they're going to be a game-changer. You don't need to come in through the door in an MRAP. Just pick a wall. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 14, 2020 14:49:24 GMT
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 14, 2020 14:49:50 GMT
It wouldn't even slow the f**k*r down.
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Post by mids on Jun 14, 2020 15:21:19 GMT
I wonder to what extent these military type vehicles are used as psychological warfare? The idea being that bad guys with guns (blm, Democrat party) will flee at the sight of one. Whether they actually have that effect, it might be part of the thinking.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 14, 2020 15:52:35 GMT
Yeah. They must have some deterrent effect. Even for thickies.
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Post by jimboky on Jun 14, 2020 16:03:09 GMT
So, the army get a new 1.2 million quid piece of kit even though their current tank is working fine, get to claim that they're not being wasteful on the budget because the tank isn't shown as being scrapped, the arms manufacturer gets to plump up their profits, and the school gets something that's pretty much useless for anything other than avoiding IED's in the Iraqi desert. these are not tanks,  TANK APC |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 14, 2020 20:03:21 GMT
In fairness, that's not really an APC. Sort of, but not quite. That's deffo a tank though.
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Post by flatandy on Jun 14, 2020 23:50:37 GMT
FWIW, our Met Police have kit like it too. Very useful as a protected C&C mobile bunker. The Met is the police force for a big city full of dangerous scum like Boris Johnson and the Credit Suisse mob. They are not looking after the kids in middle school who drank too much of their mums peach schnapps. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 15, 2020 0:19:11 GMT
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Post by rick49 on Jun 15, 2020 1:15:56 GMT
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 15, 2020 5:08:08 GMT
Routine massacres. In schools. Especially schools. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 15, 2020 5:09:36 GMT
FWIW, our Met Police have kit like it too. Very useful as a protected C&C mobile bunker. The Met is the police force for a big city full of dangerous scum like Boris Johnson and the Credit Suisse mob. They are not looking after the kids in middle school who drank too much of their mums peach schnapps. I'm told that it's mainly used as a mobile crypt for the Slayor of London. Just in case he gets caught out by the dawn. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 15, 2020 5:27:22 GMT
That being said, it was made by Jankel, so it's unlikely to keep rain out, let alone sunlight.
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 15, 2020 5:42:13 GMT
Routine massacres. In schools. Especially schools. Only a fool would consider it more necessary to spend money addressing the risk of an IED in a US school than spending money on a decent library. Oh... |
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