The benefits of Brexit

[Repat Van]

Trying to blame France or the UK is stupidly.

Yes it maybe said that Britain’s choice to close all legal routes for anybody no -Ukrainian has exacerbated the issue for non-Ukrainian refugees but ultimately it’s those making the crossing taking the risk and ultimately only they who are at fault.

Edit:

Ok should have kept reading and this is the truth:

“In doing so, he touched on a widely-held belief here in France, which is that however much effort is put into tackling the smuggling gangs it will never be enough. That this is a crisis fuelled by the demands of tens of thousands of determined migrants, rather than by the profit-seeking motives of a loose network of criminals.”

People will always always be motivated to leave worse living conditions for better ones. The number one thing that will change the flow will be improved living conditions in the countries they are fleeing.

[Repat Van]

LOL!!

“He did condemn the smugglers, but most of his comments focused on the lure of what he views as Britain’s loosely regulated job market, that acts like a magnet, drawing young Eritreans, determined Sudanese, Afghans, Syrians and Iraqis to this coastline, convinced that they if they can just make it across this last, short stretch of water - or even half way across - they’ll end up in a country where they can find work, even without the right paperwork.”

Because of course no such thing as the “Sans Papiers” working in France….if he thinks black market labour is a UK specific thing he wants his head examined.

[voice]

It is a big thing though, farming, construction food processing to name but three rely heavily on cheep unregulated workers. It's why the Tories did virtualy nothing to stop migration, the economy, and corporate profits, would suffer greatly if they ever did stop the flow of undocumented workers.

[flatandy]

You can blame Britain for the Sudanese, Afghans and Iraqis because Britain was either a colonial power or involved in a recent war. It's a bit more of a stretch to blame Britain for Eritreans need to leave Eritrea. I'm sure Britain hasn't acted perfectly with regards to Eritrea down the years but there's not a lot of direct causal link between its current desperate basketcase status and Britain's long historical cuntitude.

I do wonder what the draw of Britain is particularly, ahead of France or Germany. It's not like the Tory economy is any good. It's not like Indians and Bangladeshis or Nigerians or West Indians where there are potentially loads and loads of family or friends of family waiting as part of a community that doesn't exist in other European countries. It's definitely not the weather.

There's the language, of course. But other than that, I wonder whether there's a mythology among the emigrant community that it's a land of milk and honey. Or whether it's just the end of the line in Europe. They go to Turkey and it's a bit sh*t. They go to Romania and it's a bit sh*t. They go to Germany and Italy and France and it's a bit sh*t. Where do you go next? You get to Britain and it's still a bit sh*t, but perhaps you believe that if you keep going you'll get to the kind of place you've always wanted.

[Repat Van]

Sept 4, 2024 13:46:28 GMT flatandy said:

You can blame Britain for the Sudanese, Afghans and Iraqis because Britain was either a colonial power or involved in a recent war. It's a bit more of a stretch to blame Britain for Eritreans need to leave Eritrea. I'm sure Britain hasn't acted perfectly with regards to Eritrea down the years but there's not a lot of direct causal link between its current desperate basketcase status and Britain's long historical cuntitude.

I do wonder what the draw of Britain is particularly, ahead of France or Germany. It's not like the Tory economy is any good. It's not like Indians and Bangladeshis or Nigerians or West Indians where there are potentially loads and loads of family or friends of family waiting as part of a community that doesn't exist in other European countries. It's definitely not the weather.

There's the language, of course. But other than that, I wonder whether there's a mythology among the emigrant community that it's a land of milk and honey. Or whether it's just the end of the line in Europe. They go to Turkey and it's a bit sh*t. They go to Romania and it's a bit sh*t. They go to Germany and Italy and France and it's a bit sh*t. Where do you go next? You get to Britain and it's still a bit sh*t, but perhaps you believe that if you keep going you'll get to the kind of place you've always wanted.

Surely the draw is just they hear things from family and they know one or two people and head there. Which is why we get some groups and not others.

Also despite the claims the numbers that come to the UK are far smaller in number than other countries so we aren’t even the most attractive.

And let’s not underestimate the power of the English language as the global lingua franca (and of course probably a bit of myth making about the streets being paved with gold.)

[Repat Van]

Sept 4, 2024 13:37:03 GMT voice said:

It is a big thing though, farming, construction food processing to name but three rely heavily on cheep unregulated workers. It's why the Tories did virtualy nothing to stop migration, the economy, and corporate profits, would suffer greatly if they ever did stop the flow of undocumented workers.

It’s a big thing everywhere. That’s why I am laughing.

[perrykneeham]

Employment in Construction is highly regulated.

[flatandy]

Macron seems to have appointed Barnier to be PM. Which is a bold move considering he's from the "major" party that did worst at the last election. British Brexiters obviously object to Barnier for the wrong reasons, but his politics are going to mean this will end badly very quickly, I expect.

[perrykneeham]

Barmier, more like!

[mids]

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha! What a fanny.

"A Liberal Democrat councillor has revealed that she was diagnosed with PTSD because of Brexit, speaking movingly of the “profound impact” it has had on her life.

Antonia Harrison, who represents the party in Havant, near Portsmouth, said “something died in me… I just gave up” after Britain left the European Union."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-lib-dem-conference-b2613643.html

[perrykneeham]

Wheulk.

[moggyonspeed]

More 'winning' ...

'Brexit deal impact in UK is worsening, warn economists' : Project Fear to be renamed Project Reality ...

- UK goods exports to the EU fell 27% and imported goods by 32% compared with what would have happened without Brexit
- The variety of trade export goods has also dropped, with 1,645 fewer types of British products exported to every EU country
- The report said there was a "noticeable worsening of EU-UK trade in 2023"
- The negative impacts of the (Tory-negotiated) trade agreement have intensified over time
- Farmers (voted Brexit), clothing makers (voted Remain), and wood & paper manufacturers (50/50 split) have been among the hardest hit industries, with many sub-sectors' EU exports falling by well-over half
- The biggest drop in export value was for edible fruit & nuts, which nosedived 73.5%
- The service sector bucked the trend with a post-Brexit boost, but then London (which accounts for almost 50% of service sector revenues) voted Remain overwhelmingly; the second-highest performing area in the services sector was Glasgow, which also voted Remain overwhelmingly.

Still, "we hold all the cards", "a free trade agreement with the EU should be one of the easiest in human history", "they need us more than we need them", "there is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it”, "trade with the EU will be tariff-free and will have minimal bureaucracy", "the border with Northern Ireland will be absolutely unchanged", "there will be financial protection for farmers who are subsidised from Brussels", "the United Kingdom will be even more united - and stronger", "VAT will be cut on energy bills to save the average household £64 a year", etc. etc. etc. ...

... and we haven't even started to talk about asylum seekers, borders, defence, immigration, science & innovation yadda yadda yadda. Tories: an utter shambles.

[mids]

"diagnosed with PTSD because of Brexit"

[moggyonspeed]

You're improving; this time last week you couldn't even spell PTSD.

[Repat Van]

Sept 17, 2024 9:57:22 GMT mids said:

"diagnosed with PTSD because of Brexit"

Nobody has control over what causes a mental illness.

[perrykneeham]

Apparently, the electorate does.

[mids]

Sept 17, 2024 11:15:01 GMT Repat Van said:

Sept 17, 2024 9:57:22 GMT mids said:

"diagnosed with PTSD because of Brexit"

Wah.

[flatandy]

So, time to Brejoin?

[unclejunior]

….. so says Aston university the world renowned economist forum group 😊

[moggyonspeed]

Sept 17, 2024 14:09:26 GMT unclejunior said:

….. so says Aston university the world renowned economist forum group 😊

You can't have it both ways, old son.

Either you go with Micheal Gove's(*) soundbite, to wit "I think the people of this country have had enough of experts" or you go with academia both in terms of their research and their lived experience. You then don't have to dig too deep to find that, for the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge alone, between them they lost out on EU research funding to the tune of £130M per annum post-Brexit, that figure now being ca. £1M per annum. Of course, the Tories promised to make up the difference and to replace e.g. EURATOM with "something better" but, as usual, the gulf between their promises and their delivery was of Grand-Canyonesque proportions.

* - FYI, non-expert Michael Gove is now Assistant Transport Toll And Booth Operating Yeoman at the Swinford Bridge over the Thames in Oxfordshire.