The benefits of Brexit

[Repat Van]

Sept 17, 2024 14:09:26 GMT unclejunior said:

….. so says Aston university the world renowned economist forum group 😊

It’s a pretty decent university with pretty decent research facilities.

[perrykneeham]

Is it buggery. Not even Russell Group.

[moggyonspeed]

Sept 17, 2024 15:17:16 GMT perrykneeham said:

Is it buggery. Not even Russell Group.

Aah ... so clearly, even though we've had enough of experts, some experts are more useful than other experts (when it suits).

FYI, my alma mater rates higher than 18 of the 24 Russell Group universities according to The Times' University Rankings 2024 so, to quote The Bard, "What's in a name?"

What indeed?

[perrykneeham]

Meh. You're arguing a non-point. I have long argued that economists are dongs.

[Repat Van]

Sept 17, 2024 15:17:16 GMT perrykneeham said:

Is it buggery. Not even Russell Group.

And? It’s still a decent uni (which scored higher in the Times Ranking than some Russel Group unis.) Or is your and the Uncle’s argument that it’s business school is incapable of putting out a thoroughly researched study?

[moggyonspeed]

Sept 17, 2024 15:38:50 GMT perrykneeham said:

Meh. You're arguing a non-point. I have long argued that economists are dongs.

You clearly don't understand the concept, let alone the practice, of argument.

Your non-point appears to be that the Russell Group is somehow an arbiter of something, somehow, promoted by a group of somebodies.

My evidence-based fact, on the other hand, shows that those institutions which comprise the Russell Group are nothing special merely by dint of their being in the group. Q E and, in fact, D.

[voice]

Just the usual idiotic class system snobery from Baloo.

[flatandy]

I went to a Russell Group university, which should tell you everything you need to know.

[voice]

I never paid em much attention, but apparently the Russell group was only set up in 1994, are self selecting and apparently I've been to two of them, got one of my degrees at Manchester and my post grad at Cambridge. So really, they are not that exclusive if the likes of me got in.

And it's an odd list when you look at it.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Group

[Repat Van]

I went to a Russell Group university too. I guess it was important for getting onto my accountancy training but looking at the Times list there are a number of top unis that don’t appear to be part of the Russell Group.

Scratch that last but. Some unis I thought were not part of it, are.

[flatandy]

Not that I'd necessarily trust The Times.

Nor is the concept of "good university" really rational

- a good teaching university isn't necessarily a good research university (if anyone thinks that good researchers, by default, make good teachers, they really need their head examined).
- a university that's good at, say, economics or architecture isn't necessarily good at, say, physics or history or lawn maintenance.

[perrykneeham]

Is Voice still confusing Summer Camp with attending Cambridge Uni?  It's a bit Jeffrey Archer.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 17, 2024 15:52:45 GMT moggyonspeed said:

Sept 17, 2024 15:38:50 GMT perrykneeham said:

Meh. You're arguing a non-point. I have long argued that economists are dongs.

You clearly don't understand the concept, let alone the practice, of argument.

Your non-point appears to be that the Russell Group is somehow an arbiter of something, somehow, promoted by a group of somebodies.

My evidence-based fact, on the other hand, shows that those institutions which comprise the Russell Group are nothing special merely by dint of their being in the group. Q E and, in fact, D.

Eh?  What are you gibbering about?  Your fragile sense of intellectual superiority is clearly just that.  What I was questioning was your wittering about experts. Have you blown another fuse?

[voice]

Sept 18, 2024 0:56:10 GMT perrykneeham said:

Is Voice still confusing Summer Camp with attending Cambridge Uni?  It's a bit Jeffrey Archer.

It never fails to amuse me that it buggs you so much I did my post grad at Cambridge, you're such a snob and it really irks that some oik like me went there, its why you have to disparage it when ever it's mentioned.

[perrykneeham]

But you didn't "go there", did you? Not in any meaningful sense.

It doesn't amuse me. It's arse-wincingly embarrassing.

[flatandy]

I studied at Oxford, I'll have you know.

[perrykneeham]

Haha. Yeah, I went to Imperial, for lunch.

[perrykneeham]

In fairness, the free-market spiviness of FE had got out of hand and I've long-since lost track of what's what. There are are an awful lot of people wandering around with "masters degrees" who don't seem to have bachelors or indeed GcSEs. It's very odd. Not that uni degrees ever said much about intelligence really.

[perrykneeham]

That being said, I suppose there has to be some way of keeping score and, in the absence of any objective way, getting on a popular course at a prestigious uni is probably a reasonable rough cut.

[voice]

Sept 18, 2024 1:36:40 GMT perrykneeham said:

But you didn't "go there", did you? Not in any meaningful sense.

It doesn't amuse me. It's arse-wincingly embarrassing.

I know you really want to believe that, I mean really believe it, but you have no idea if I did or didn't, it's just important to you to keep saying I didn't. Cos the thought that I did appears to damage something inside you, cos you're a terrible snob who thinks people who have been to Oxbridge deserve deference for some odd reason. They don't, never did.

That being said the PGCert I did there counted about a third way to the masters that I finished off at UBC. And I'll be the first to admit, in the end, getting a master's really didn't amount to much for furthering my career and I was left thinking it was more of a vanity project on my part, not sure I'd have bothered if I'd have known. Though the fact it bothers the likes of you makes it at least a bit worthwhile