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Post by whiterum on May 3, 2021 8:50:12 GMT
Trans genders go through a transition to become the sex they were not born legally.
Born legally has male, then later go through the transition to become female means hormone treatment and then removal of their private parts, and visa versa, it's not that long ago homosexuals was seen has not "normal" but is now legal and accepted in society.
Sports was once dominated by males,now accepted in both sexes.
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Post by ootlg on May 3, 2021 9:39:43 GMT
Might as well. Could even open it out to all life. Bears in the wrestling ring, cheetahs in the sprints, sharks in the pool. Like the Romans. Sounds great, but count me out. |
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Post by ootlg on May 3, 2021 9:42:14 GMT
Trans genders go through a transition to become the sex they were not born legally. Born legally has male, then later go through the transition to become female means hormone treatment and then removal of their private parts, and visa versa, it's not that long ago homosexuals was seen has not "normal" but is now legal and accepted in society. Sports was once dominated by males,now accepted in both sexes. Transgender isn't exclusively those who've been physically altered though. That's the point. |
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Post by whiterum on May 3, 2021 10:48:02 GMT
What is the point..Jenner was born male,went to school has male, was successful in sports has a male got married had children, then decided in later life he was no longer male and becomes female, and that's why I believe she opposes trans girls in women sports.
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 12:30:49 GMT
Nobody has ever demonstrated that the thing they’re complaining about is a thing. That’s my metric. Decades of trans women being allowed to compete by the NCAA yet only in the last two years has anyone complained. And they’ve complained about the hypothetical because they’ve not found women’s sport being damaged or armies of underperforming cis athletes transitioning in order to win bronze medals against cis women. Show me the damage. Plenty of examples here: every time a female athlete gets excluded from a team or event in favour of a bloke, every time a bloke wins instead of a woman, every time funding or sponsorship goes to a bloke instead of a woman, every time a woman is injured by competing against a bloke. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sportsWhere are the “blokes” in this article? Even if you mean “trans women”, the suggestion has been repeatedly made that women’s sport will become a dead wasteland because of all the second rate men transitioning in order to compete. Yet with it being permitted for decades (as the article shows) women’s sport is stronger, more popular, more successful than ever. |
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Post by perrykneeham on May 3, 2021 12:31:37 GMT
Might as well. Could even open it out to all life. Bears in the wrestling ring, cheetahs in the sprints, sharks in the pool. Plenty of cheetahs in sprinting already. Ben Johnson, for one, as well as all those blokes running in girls' races. |
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 12:35:59 GMT
Odd isn't it that if someone who looks like a male Congo silverback with a large cock and a pair of balls the size of coconuts decides he's female he'll be accepted as such and allowed into female-only establishments? Even odder that some apparently intelligent people defend this. Are you suggesting that all women athletes should look identical and like your cliched impression of what a girl should look like? What if they look like a congo silverback but without cock and balls? What about duses? Are you happy with a dude who looks like a Congo silverback competing against a 4 foot, 82lb weakling in men’s sports? Also, which sports is it acceptable in? High dive? Asymmetric bars? Snooker? Rugby? |
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Post by perrykneeham on May 3, 2021 13:32:13 GMT
Plenty of examples here: every time a female athlete gets excluded from a team or event in favour of a bloke, every time a bloke wins instead of a woman, every time funding or sponsorship goes to a bloke instead of a woman, every time a woman is injured by competing against a bloke. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sportsWhere are the “blokes” in this article? Even if you mean “trans women”, the suggestion has been repeatedly made that women’s sport will become a dead wasteland because of all the second rate men transitioning in order to compete. Yet with it being permitted for decades (as the article shows) women’s sport is stronger, more popular, more successful than ever. Blokes = biological male. The rest of your post is made up. It wouldn't matter how good or bad a athlete they may have been, they were and remain biologically male. |
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 13:40:54 GMT
So there's no evidence of an army of men pretending to be women and thus making womens sport untenable? Despite trans athletes competing for decades.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 3, 2021 13:43:58 GMT
You don't need an army to spoil it for others.
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 13:53:12 GMT
Yet, somehow, womens sport is more popular in both participation and spectatorship than ever. Caitlyn's argument that girls' sport in school needs to be "protected" is utterly misplaced. Girls' sport in school is booming and has been for decades when trans women and trans girls have been competing in it.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 3, 2021 13:56:59 GMT
False argument that it's more popular. It's like errrrr .... moving the goalposts.
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Post by reverend on May 3, 2021 13:58:27 GMT
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 14:10:05 GMT
Those articles pretty much prove my point. They are desperate to find anything so they're finding age group cycle races, obscure distance (55m? 300m?) running, and suggesting that it's somehow "dominating womens sport" and even weirder "damaging womens sport".
It's good to see that some trans women are succeeding in sport, and are willing to compete despite the shrill hysterics and anger that's directed at them. But there don't seem to be many, and they don't seem to be doing any harm. The headlines are contradicted by the actual content.
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Post by wetkingcanute on May 3, 2021 14:10:29 GMT
I spent the morning taking my Granddaugter and grandson to the Zoo at Battersea Park.
There's a cartoon in this edition of Private Eye.
It shows a Labour Party candidate out canvassing at the door of a working class Brexit supporting couple.
He's saying "why don't you Racist Fascists vote Labour?"
Just because we question Trans men playing in female sports does not make us Transphobes.
Andy always brings out the old "well there aren't very many so it's all ok and I can go lalalalala I can't hear you...it's not happening."
Now, it's true that I don't know of a particular case but I've read several reports by people in the sports world who are genuinely worried.
A simple example is in women's Rugby. At schools there is mixed Rugby up until the kids are about 12ish - and then it is divided into the two sexes.
If it wasn't they would all have to stop playing Rugby.
It is very simple - if they don't introduce some form of legislation to cope with trans men wanting to play sport, Women's sport will be very severely effected.
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 14:16:05 GMT
If it's dangerous to have stronger rugby players and weaker rugby players on opposing teams, something should be done about that.
Also, I don't think anyone's mentioned trans men competing in womens sports. I think almost everyone thinks that shouldn't happen.
And trans women have been playing womens sport for decades and it doesn't seem to have been doing any harm. It's not a new phenomenon.
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Post by reverend on May 3, 2021 14:17:19 GMT
Ok end womens rugby and make them compete against the men, problem solved!
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 14:18:03 GMT
What is damaging is excluding people from sports. Both directly, limiting their physical exercise and therefore making them less physically and mentally healthy; and indirectly creating yet more societal exclusion for people who're already ostracised and treated unpleasantly by large tranches of society - something that's known to result in psychological damage and, in many cases, depression.
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Post by reverend on May 3, 2021 14:19:16 GMT
Exactly, so making everyone compete together is genuine equality, only the best win, all the problems go away!
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 14:20:19 GMT
Ok end womens rugby and make them compete against the men, problem solved! Why is this the "solution" you people always come up with? You have something that is doing minimal actual harm, but because you can't seem to get your head round something very simple - that trans women are women - and you want to find a way to harm trans women, your "solution" to a non-problem is to tear everything down completely. |
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