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Post by wetkingcanute on May 3, 2021 14:20:42 GMT
If I've got this the wrong way round forgive me. I mean males who have changes to female.
(Is that Transmen or transwomen?)
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Post by perrykneeham on May 3, 2021 14:21:33 GMT
What is damaging is excluding people from sports. Both directly, limiting their physical exercise and therefore making them less physically and mentally healthy; and indirectly creating yet more societal exclusion for people who're already ostracised and treated unpleasantly by large tranches of society - something that's known to result in psychological damage and, in many cases, depression. This is not an argument. |
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Post by reverend on May 3, 2021 14:22:00 GMT
Go ask the girls who have thier achievemnts taken away by a biological male before you make that statement, who are you speaking for?
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Post by reverend on May 3, 2021 14:23:33 GMT
If I've got this the wrong way round forgive me. I mean males who have changes to female. (Is that Transmen or transwomen?) Do a search on how many female to male athletes have broken records against men, then compare the opposite and someone can come along and tell us how thats just fine! |
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 14:25:00 GMT
If I've got this the wrong way round forgive me. I mean males who have changes to female. (Is that Transmen or transwomen?) If someone has transitioned to be a woman they are a trans woman. (As are trans women who haven't undergone transition surgery). |
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Post by reverend on May 3, 2021 14:25:55 GMT
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 14:26:56 GMT
What is damaging is excluding people from sports. Both directly, limiting their physical exercise and therefore making them less physically and mentally healthy; and indirectly creating yet more societal exclusion for people who're already ostracised and treated unpleasantly by large tranches of society - something that's known to result in psychological damage and, in many cases, depression. This is not an argument. In what way is it not an argument? Excluding trans women is actually damaging to trans women. Not excluding them does none of the harm claimed by the hysterical shriekers. |
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Post by perrykneeham on May 3, 2021 14:28:44 GMT
Ok end womens rugby and make them compete against the men, problem solved! Why is this the "solution" you people always come up with? You have something that is doing minimal actual harm, but because you can't seem to get your head round something very simple - that trans women are women - and you want to find a way to harm trans women, your "solution" to a non-problem is to tear everything down completely. Bollocks. I don't mind if they participate in sports events with men or women. They cam even compete with them and come first in the sport, assuming there's no risk of physical harm. It seems silly, responsive and unfair to let them claim to have won as women. They're not. By all means, have mixed events if they want to be with, and rate themselves against, women. Maybe they can have parallel awards. First, Secomd and Third Trans and First, Secomd and Third Female. |
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Post by reverend on May 3, 2021 14:30:01 GMT
The very fact noone is complaining about trans men winning in mens sport should tell you all you need to know!
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Post by wetkingcanute on May 3, 2021 14:30:11 GMT
OK so I mean Trans women.
Males who have had an operation to become female.
Oh and Andy why do you think I want them to not play sport?
I'm just trying to figure out how we can let them compete in some way without destroying competitive Female sport.
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 14:41:43 GMT
I'm just trying to figure out how we can let them compete in some way without destroying competitive Female sport. They've been doing just this for many years in US college sport without destroying it. US college sport is terrible in many ways, but the damage is done by avarice not by the presence of trans athletes. |
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Post by perrykneeham on May 3, 2021 14:50:53 GMT
Ok end womens rugby and make them compete against the men, problem solved! Why is this the "solution" you people always come up with? You have something that is doing minimal actual harm, but because you can't seem to get your head round something very simple - that trans women are women - and you want to find a way to harm trans women, your "solution" to a non-problem is to tear everything down completely. Bollocks. I don't mind if they participate in sports events with men or women. They cam even compete with them and come first in the sport, assuming there's no risk of physical harm. It seems silly, responsive and unfair to let them claim to have won as women. They're not. By all means, have mixed events if they want to be with, and rate themselves against, women. Maybe they can have parallel awards. First, Secomd and Third Trans and First, Secomd and Third Female. |
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Post by ootlg on May 3, 2021 15:40:55 GMT
Ok end womens rugby and make them compete against the men, problem solved! Why is this the "solution" you people always come up with? You have something that is doing minimal actual harm, but because you can't seem to get your head round something very simple - that trans women are women - and you want to find a way to harm trans women, your "solution" to a non-problem is to tear everything down completely. This is where you're going wrong. Trans women are not women - they're trans women. Don't you get that? |
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Post by reverend on May 3, 2021 16:19:47 GMT
Trans women are biologically male and therfore not women, only someone spouting ideology would believe otherwise!
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on May 3, 2021 17:11:37 GMT
Anyway, there would seem to be not a big takeup on the men msquearding as women playing sport front so best to go back to the sport by sex not gender rules.
easy to determine who is who. You have a cock or you had a cock you are off the white tees.
Easiest all round an no harm done.
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 17:22:32 GMT
Easiest thing to do is to not look at the genitalia of the people you're playing golf with. But if that's your fetish you really ought to get consent from your playing companions before indulging it.
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 17:24:03 GMT
Also, of course, you should all be teeing it forward. And anyway, you should be playing to your handicap so it doesn't matter which tee you're playing from.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 3, 2021 17:34:46 GMT
Well, you seem to be very familiar with talking about bollocks.
Look, we get it. You want to be seen to be nice. Are you really helping?
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on May 3, 2021 17:38:11 GMT
Easiest thing to do is to not look at the genitalia of the people you're playing golf with. But if that's your fetish you really ought to get consent from your playing companions before indulging it. That's not very good, is it? |
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Post by flatandy on May 3, 2021 17:46:39 GMT
What isn't? Do you look at peoples' undercarriage that you're playing sport with, or do you just accept them when they tell you they're a bird or a bloke? Do you demand to see date-stamped photos of undercarriage from when they were pre-teens to make sure they haven't transitioned?
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