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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 26, 2022 19:55:00 GMT
It plain disgusting, is what it is.
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Post by voice on Jun 26, 2022 20:14:51 GMT
If you want to legally kill a baby in the US, best use a gun...
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Post by mids on Jun 27, 2022 5:52:36 GMT
It seems like the far left have misunderstood why some people oppose abortion. It's not because they want to control women's (adult human female if you're unsure) bodies, it's because they think it's murder. This is yet another example of the far left not understanding their enemies and losing because of it.
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Post by voice on Jun 27, 2022 6:07:22 GMT
and the right don't see how the rational center see this as a spurious and silly argument, most abortions are well before the 12 week mark so are mostly a bunch of cells, pretending abortion is murder is simply stupid and used to generate an emotive response from the simpletons who populate the far right. This is and always has been about controlling womens sexuality and trying to turn the clock back to a time when 'wimin knew their place'. This taking away of womens rights over their own bodies is not actually that popular even on the right in the US, something like 65% of the US disagree with this, so a large chunk of the right are against this, its only a small cabal of Christian nationalists cheering this one.
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Post by mids on Jun 27, 2022 6:28:57 GMT
Sure that's the argument but the opposers still say it's murder. If you want to convince them otherwise, shouting at them about The Handmaids Tale won't do any good.
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Post by voice on Jun 27, 2022 6:48:32 GMT
yeah I know what cretins call it, but when did we allow cretins to dictate things when it so clearly goes against any rational understanding of these concepts. And frankly they are not the sort to be persuaded, they are extremist zealots and true believers, so basically unreachable by reason.
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Post by mids on Jun 27, 2022 6:55:11 GMT
I don't think it's that cretinous to describe it as murder. It's not but it is killing a human thing that's alive.
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Post by voice on Jun 27, 2022 7:09:11 GMT
I see that, but its not a human being is it, by that argument you cant amputate a limb cos thats a human thing, so yeah its a cretinous argument all round to say its murder.
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Post by ootlg on Jun 27, 2022 8:37:52 GMT
I don't believe it's anyone wanting to control women's bodies; that's a specious and hysterical argument. Ridiculous too. It's men having the final legislative word in what is essentially a female matter, which is the point.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 27, 2022 9:27:09 GMT
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Post by flatandy on Jun 27, 2022 11:39:37 GMT
There are a lot of very bad takes on the abortion thing all over the liberal internet at the moment. All kinds of catastrophically moronic memes.
Despite that, while the goal might not be Handsmaids Tale, the result has Handsmaids Tale elements to it - even if the goal is not denying women bodily autonomy, it becomes the end result. Women end up with no control over their bodies, and required by the government to bring pregnancies to term.
And I do think that there probably are misogynistic parts of society that want control over womens bodies, even if it’s not explicit. In the same way that a lot of racism is not explicit and not even believed to be racist by its practitioners.
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Post by mids on Jun 27, 2022 11:52:42 GMT
Hahahaha, that sounds f ucking awful, especially in the BBC's tones of reverence. "He emerged flanked by 20 dancers to perform United In Grief - a song that looks back over his 19-year career and the mental health problems he has addressed over multiple albums. As he stood still behind a mic stand, they lined up behind him, each representing a different aspect in the evolution of his personality. As they scattered, he began an almost-chronological journey through his catalogue." |
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Post by ootlg on Jun 27, 2022 11:54:56 GMT
There are parts of society which want all sorts of weird things but I don't think control over women's bodies is the motivating factor here, but as you say, can be received as the end result. It could also be perceived as control over men's rights to fatherhood. Or control over the proliferation of school buses.
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 27, 2022 11:58:01 GMT
There are parts of society which want all sorts of weird things but I don't think control over women's bodies is the motivating factor here, but as you say, can be received as the end result. It could also be perceived as control over men's rights to fatherhood. Or control over the proliferation of school buses. Control over women’s bodies may not be the motivating factor (for some people) but it is 100% the end outcome. The last two sentences are nonsensical however. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 27, 2022 11:59:55 GMT
Many celebs have commented - what makes the fact he’s a rapper anything worse than actors, singers and former presidents commenting? Rap’s foundation is political so it makes sense he would comment. |
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Post by mids on Jun 27, 2022 12:00:15 GMT
I think it's a lazy argument. The real argument is over whether or at what point a foetus is a "person" and therefore deserves protection and I think it's a hard argument so a lot of dimbos go for "babykiller" or "women controllers" (even though they can't say what a woman is because they're not biologists).
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 27, 2022 12:01:14 GMT
I don't think it's that cretinous to describe it as murder. It's not but it is killing a human thing that's alive. Murder is intent. It’s no more “murder” than self defence is “murder” or choosing not to be an organ donor is “murder”. Yes something loses its life (or in this case - potential to life) as a result of the decision but that’s not the intent. It’s an unavoidable side effect. |
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Post by mids on Jun 27, 2022 12:03:39 GMT
Many celebs have commented - what makes the fact he’s a rapper anything worse than actors, singers and former presidents commenting? Rap’s foundation is political so it makes sense he would comment. Bitches ain't sh it but hoes and tricks Lick on these nuts and suck the d ick |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 27, 2022 12:03:42 GMT
It seems like the far left have misunderstood why some people oppose abortion. It's not because they want to control women's (adult human female if you're unsure) bodies, it's because they think it's murder. This is yet another example of the far left not understanding their enemies and losing because of it. That may not be the intent but that’s the clear outcome. Although with justice Thomas already talking about revising rulings on contraception your claim that it’s not about controlling women’s bodies is not true for everybody. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 27, 2022 12:04:12 GMT
Many celebs have commented - what makes the fact he’s a rapper anything worse than actors, singers and former presidents commenting? Rap’s foundation is political so it makes sense he would comment. Bitches ain't sh it but hoes and tricks Lick on these nuts and suck the d ick You really need to diversify the rap music you listen to. |
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