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Post by jimboky on Jun 25, 2022 15:09:19 GMT
So Missouri has made abortion illegal on the grounds that it's against human life. But it has the death penalty. they only kill killers, |
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Post by flatandy on Jun 25, 2022 16:32:25 GMT
Well, there are many people and states that claim to be pro-life but are really only pro-life until the point that it becomes life. They’re pro-pre-life, pro-hypothetical-life. But once it’s an actual person they don’t want it to be guaranteed good healthcare or good education or to provide good support for its parents, and then happy to have its life put at risk by having guns everywhere, and happy to end it with death penalty. They don’t care about actual life because actual life might have sinned or have parents that sinned or have parents that are just useless. It’s only hypothetical-life which can’t have done anything wrong and is thus worth preserving.
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Post by flatandy on Jun 25, 2022 16:37:29 GMT
Jimbo would claim that as we have an amendment in place there’s no need to worry. But that logic says that slavery actually was totally fine and should have been left to the states before the 13th amendment was brought in. I imagine a number of people are excited about the possibility of returning those laws to the states and taking them away from the feds. slavery was fine and legal in some states before the 13th amendment, that is the point, if you are so concerned you should push for a abortion amendment, until then,,,, get over it  This is just so nonsensical. You seem to actually think slavery was fine because it was legal because there was no amendment before 1865. That the states should have been allowed to make their own decisions on slavery until 75% of slate legislatures passed the amendment. |
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Post by voice on Jun 25, 2022 19:21:53 GMT
It's also nonsensical and inconsistent to on Tuesday cheering a ruling that says States can't be trusted to make their own laws on carrying a gun, yet on Ftiday cheering the fact states now are to given dominion over women bodies and their ability to make decisions for themselves.
The party of so called small government is now cheering very big government to police women, send bounty hunters after them, restrict their ability to travel and jail them for life potentially
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Post by jimboky on Jun 25, 2022 19:46:17 GMT
slavery was fine and legal in some states before the 13th amendment, that is the point, if you are so concerned you should push for a abortion amendment, until then,,,, get over it This is just so nonsensical. You seem to actually think slavery was fine because it was legal because there was no amendment before 1865. That the states should have been allowed to make their own decisions on slavery until 75% of slate legislatures passed the amendment. well,,,, yes, there was a little thing called Civil War that helped it along, you know the war that the democrats lost therefor slavery ended, it was the 13th that ended it for good, I thought you had to learn some US history when you did the citizen thing |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 26, 2022 7:05:40 GMT
This is just so nonsensical. You seem to actually think slavery was fine because it was legal because there was no amendment before 1865. That the states should have been allowed to make their own decisions on slavery until 75% of slate legislatures passed the amendment. well,,,, yes, there was a little thing called Civil War that helped it along, you know the war that the democrats lost therefor slavery ended, it was the 13th that ended it for good, I thought you had to learn some US history when you did the citizen thing The 13th amendment did not end slavery for good. See: the USA industrial prison complex. “ The Thirteenth Amendment (Amendment XIII) to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime.” |
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Post by mids on Jun 26, 2022 7:12:18 GMT
Penal servitude isn't exactly the same as slavery though, is it?
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 26, 2022 7:12:26 GMT
So Missouri has made abortion illegal on the grounds that it's against human life. But it has the death penalty. they only kill killers, You cannot be pro-life and also pro-death penalty. Nope. Nope. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 26, 2022 7:50:44 GMT
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Post by mids on Jun 26, 2022 7:55:46 GMT
Although black chicks are heavily over-represented in the abortion stats.
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 26, 2022 8:51:01 GMT
Although black chicks are heavily over-represented in the abortion stats. And? I don’t think those are the foetuses they care about. A Freudian slip is a Freudian slip… |
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Post by mids on Jun 26, 2022 8:54:17 GMT
I was pointing out that they should support abortion as an antidote to the Great Replacement.
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Post by ootlg on Jun 26, 2022 8:55:07 GMT
Because in the main their lives are shittier. They're born at a disadvantage and have to cope with it for the rest of their lives.
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 26, 2022 9:05:27 GMT
I was pointing out that they should support abortion as an antidote to the Great Replacement. Why would they? They see the Great Replacement as largely immigration driven. If they can force more white women to have more babies that (in their minds) increases the numbers of white people and also reduces the arguments for immigration. For them it’s a win win and if it means a slight increase in the numbers of African-Americans they can handle that in the grand scheme of things. (Although it also, of course depends on distribution. If more AA live in democrat states then they will see it as a win-win-win). |
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Post by flatandy on Jun 26, 2022 14:36:09 GMT
I do think Mids has a point, though. A lot of the Great Replacement crazies are concerned that the Great Replacement is happening because white chicks are getting abortions. And they’re doing so secretly without telling the trammelled and oppressed white middle aged fathers who are once again the victims of society. Mens’ rights and Fathers’ rights are totally correlated.
As Mids is implying but not stating, these people are complete and utter idiots.
They genuinely want abortion ended to protect white men, and to make sure there are enough white women breeding in order to outnumber the dark-hued replacers. And haven’t made the secondary connection that there are way more black women abortions, proportionally.
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 26, 2022 16:44:23 GMT
I do think Mids has a point, though. A lot of the Great Replacement crazies are concerned that the Great Replacement is happening because white chicks are getting abortions. And they’re doing so secretly without telling the trammelled and oppressed white middle aged fathers who are once again the victims of society. Mens’ rights and Fathers’ rights are totally correlated. As Mids is implying but not stating, these people are complete and utter idiots. They genuinely want abortion ended to protect white men, and to make sure there are enough white women breeding in order to outnumber the dark-hued replacers. And haven’t made the secondary connection that there are way more black women abortions, proportionally. True but as I said in their heads if they get their white birth rate up they no longer need to import people. And the USA’s growth in the non-white population isn’t being spearheaded by African-American birth rates. (Also conservatives are aware of the disproportion AA abortion rate. They have spent the last few years using it to badly play the anti-abortion race card.) |
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Post by jimboky on Jun 26, 2022 17:17:21 GMT
I do think Mids has a point, though. A lot of the Great Replacement crazies are concerned that the Great Replacement is happening because white chicks are getting abortions. And they’re doing so secretly without telling the trammelled and oppressed white middle aged fathers who are once again the victims of society. Mens’ rights and Fathers’ rights are totally correlated. As Mids is implying but not stating, these people are complete and utter idiots. They genuinely want abortion ended to protect white men, and to make sure there are enough white women breeding in order to outnumber the dark-hued replacers. And haven’t made the secondary connection that there are way more black women abortions, proportionally. a far greater number of women of color get abortion then white's, if we were the racist you claim you would think we would be the ones supporting abortion, it is the real racist who support abortion, |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 26, 2022 17:41:07 GMT
I do think Mids has a point, though. A lot of the Great Replacement crazies are concerned that the Great Replacement is happening because white chicks are getting abortions. And they’re doing so secretly without telling the trammelled and oppressed white middle aged fathers who are once again the victims of society. Mens’ rights and Fathers’ rights are totally correlated. As Mids is implying but not stating, these people are complete and utter idiots. They genuinely want abortion ended to protect white men, and to make sure there are enough white women breeding in order to outnumber the dark-hued replacers. And haven’t made the secondary connection that there are way more black women abortions, proportionally. a far greater number of women of color get abortion then white's, if we were the racist you claim you would think we would be the ones supporting abortion, it is the real racist who support abortion, Disproportionate amount =\= greater number. And this does not change the Right’s belief in the Great Replacement theory and obsession with white birth rates. (Although thanks for demonstrating the badly played race card I was referring to. Women of colour are people too.) |
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Post by flatandy on Jun 26, 2022 18:16:24 GMT
I do think Mids has a point, though. A lot of the Great Replacement crazies are concerned that the Great Replacement is happening because white chicks are getting abortions. And they’re doing so secretly without telling the trammelled and oppressed white middle aged fathers who are once again the victims of society. Mens’ rights and Fathers’ rights are totally correlated. As Mids is implying but not stating, these people are complete and utter idiots. They genuinely want abortion ended to protect white men, and to make sure there are enough white women breeding in order to outnumber the dark-hued replacers. And haven’t made the secondary connection that there are way more black women abortions, proportionally. a far greater number of women of color get abortion then white's, if we were the racist you claim you would think we would be the ones supporting abortion, it is the real racist who support abortion, Because the great-replacement/mens-rights coalition are complete f**k**g idiots who can't join two dots. |
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Post by voice on Jun 26, 2022 19:17:34 GMT
I suspect in terms of raw numbers, rather proportion, white women exercising control over their own reproduction will still be greater than non white women doing so.
Though how ever you cut this, this is men wanting total control over women restored, especially their sexuality and reproduction.
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