The SNP

[perrykneeham]

Also, third world. I can assure him that Sussex is very much first world, and first nations.

[Repat Van]

Sept 16, 2024 11:54:31 GMT perrykneeham said:

"Everywhere outside of London is like a “third world” country, according to the novelist Irvine Welsh.

The writer said he considered it a “disaster” that Scotland did not vote for independence in 2014.

The Scotsman, 65, who wrote Trainspotting, believes a vote to leave the UK would have energised the nation for years .... He added: “I think that had Scotland become independent, the surge in energy, the building and the infrastructure, the money coming into the country, the novelty of it would have energised the place for a good couple of decades."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/15/everywhere-outside-london-third-world-country-irvine-welsh/

This bloke's living in lalaland.  Who does he imagine is going to invest in Scotland?  Where is all this energy coming from?  What will have changed?

Well if people support the notion of Brexit I see no reason why they cannot support an independent Scotland. I do wonder what a new referendum would yield given the last one occurred pre-Brexit and Scotland voted largely to remain.

His comments about the rest of England just shows either his ignorance of RoE, ignorance of all of London or both.

[mids]

Why does the left hate fun?

"The minimum price at which alcohol can be sold in Scotland has risen by 30% in an attempt to keep up with inflation over the past six years.

The minimum unit price (MUP) has not changed since it was set at 50p per unit of alcohol when it was first introduced in May 2018.

It has now increased to 65p per unit, meaning a typical 12.5% bottle of wine cannot be sold for less than £6.09 and a can of lager will be at least £1.30.

MUP is not a tax to generate income for the government. Instead it aims it to reduce the availability of cheap alcohol in shops by setting a minimum price.

For example, a bottle of vodka will now cost at least £17.06 in Scotland - about £5 more than many supermarkets are selling it for in England, where there is no minimum pricing."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg2d2kdgzeo

[flatandy]

Seems fair enough. I like alcohol but there should be limits on how easy it is to get utterly shitfaced.

[perrykneeham]

Should there? It's a matter of personal choice, surely?

[flatandy]

It comes with a cost to everyone else. Medical costs, social costs, policing costs, cleaning up vomit on the streets costs, and more. It's not a largely neutral activity like hiking in the hills or visiting BDSM dungeons.

[mids]

There already severe limits on alcohol. Price, age, availability.

[perrykneeham]

Funny how the SNP's radical solution is fiscal. What are the actual challenges? Make Scots' lives less miserable? Make.Scotland less miserable?

TBF, there are some Scots who have nice lives, and much of the country is beautiful. My point is, that money is Ann odd lever to pull. The Irish have a drinking culture too.

It seems like we've seen the last of the lager louts now. I suppose you could argue that kids can't afford to go out drinking in pubs, but I think the price of booze in pubs is a function of fewer pubs goers. Dunno. Kids seem to drink less now. Mine do, at least.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 30, 2024 14:27:03 GMT flatandy said:

It comes with a cost to everyone else. Medical costs, social costs, policing costs, cleaning up vomit on the streets costs, and more. It's not a largely neutral activity like hiking in the hills or visiting BDSM dungeons.

I'm not buying that really.  I can see that mass excessive drinking can cause problems, but I don't think that a blanket approach will impact on the problem drinkers.

[mids]

[voice]

Mids, the Rab C Nesbit of newsgeneral

[unclejunior]

The Jocks are just supporting the newly arrived boat refugees /drug dealers … by making their products more price competitive & no doubt more readily available on the street…😉

[Repat Van]

Sept 30, 2024 12:10:17 GMT mids said:

Why does the left hate fun?

"The minimum price at which alcohol can be sold in Scotland has risen by 30% in an attempt to keep up with inflation over the past six years.

The minimum unit price (MUP) has not changed since it was set at 50p per unit of alcohol when it was first introduced in May 2018.

It has now increased to 65p per unit, meaning a typical 12.5% bottle of wine cannot be sold for less than £6.09 and a can of lager will be at least £1.30.

MUP is not a tax to generate income for the government. Instead it aims it to reduce the availability of cheap alcohol in shops by setting a minimum price.

For example, a bottle of vodka will now cost at least £17.06 in Scotland - about £5 more than many supermarkets are selling it for in England, where there is no minimum pricing."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg2d2kdgzeo

They have high taxes on cigarettes, why not alcohol to offset the damage it causes?

[Repat Van]

Sept 30, 2024 15:25:00 GMT unclejunior said:

The Jocks are just supporting the newly arrived boat refugees /drug dealers … by making their products more price competitive & no doubt more readily available on the street…😉

Even by your usual low standards that makes no sense.

[unclejunior]

Try Economics 101 class … take it slowly & try to understand …

[mids]

Economics -101, more like.

[Repat Van]

Oct 1, 2024 12:11:05 GMT unclejunior said:

Try Economics 101 class … take it slowly & try to understand …

No. You still are nonsensical.