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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 7, 2022 16:34:26 GMT
I think we're all able to cope with the concept of an Establishment that doesn't require its constituent members to meet in a secret underwater HQ guarded by a private army. Oh, and this is childish bollocks. Is it? It does just seem to be you who can't grasp a collective term. |
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Post by ootlg on Dec 7, 2022 16:36:15 GMT
Well, it's weak government of all stripes maybe, but I suspect that it's more to do with Establishment venality. You don't seem to understand what you're writing. Read the wiki link I posted. |
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Post by ootlg on Dec 7, 2022 16:37:22 GMT
They were until Baloo approached. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 7, 2022 16:39:20 GMT
Clearly undescended, as he's struggling to conceive. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 7, 2022 16:41:47 GMT
You often use the term as a cop-out, so I'm calling you on it. In what way "a cop-out"? It would be the group of people who have vested interests and control of any particular activity. Do you want a name? |
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Post by mids on Dec 7, 2022 16:42:04 GMT
Hahaha, you pair of cunts.
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Post by flatandy on Dec 7, 2022 16:45:02 GMT
In your link there's this, which seems to be a pretty good description
By the 'Establishment' I do not mean only the centres of official power—though they are certainly part of it—but rather the whole matrix of official and social relations within which power is exercised. The exercise of power in Britain (more specifically, in England) cannot be understood unless it is recognised that it is exercised socially
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The United Kingdom has numerous entrenched groups that are regarded as forming the establishment: these include the royal family, the aristocracy, the landed gentry, the privy council, senior civil servants, lawyers, academics, Church of England clergy, financiers, industrialists, the armed services and other professionals
to which I might add the Tory Party (although they generally belong to one of the other classes), Oxbridge and posh school attendees and much of the media.
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Post by ootlg on Dec 7, 2022 16:57:17 GMT
Baloo used the capital E. So I assumed he was directing the blame at some nebulous villain. Going by the link it could be anything, which is why I asked him (very sweetly) to be more specific.
Just repeating "Oh I blame the establishment" is a cop out.
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Post by mids on Dec 7, 2022 17:08:40 GMT
Don't forget unions and big charitable organisation. Also the BBC. They don't always act in concert and are sometimes even in opposition but they're still establishment. Jeremy Corbyn is establishment to his core, for example.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 7, 2022 17:17:08 GMT
Baloo used the capital E. So I assumed he was directing the blame at some nebulous villain. Going by the link it could be anything, which is why I asked him (very sweetly) to be more specific. Just repeating "Oh I blame the establishment" is a cop out. Oh, so you're whole autistic moan has been about you interpreting a capital letter as implying a proper noun? You should have said. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 7, 2022 17:20:09 GMT
There are any number of E/establishments, sometimes in the same interest group.
Take E/education: there are The Teachers, the Education providers, the FE mafia, The Russel Group, Oxbridge, etc.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 7, 2022 17:56:33 GMT
UK Border Force striking over Christmas. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-638931151) Haha. Yes, of course they are. 2) How will we know? Their cutters are alongside at Shoreham pretty much permanently. |
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Post by flatandy on Dec 7, 2022 18:28:56 GMT
Hopefully France will send out all their dinghies on the 26th.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 7, 2022 18:34:15 GMT
It is odd. There was a geordie woman on the radio just now complaining about the cost of living and how she had to (follow official guidance and) put an extra blanket on the bed and only heat the living room while people were up.
That's how I have always tried to live. Even Mrs.B gets that now. There does seem to be a widespread mindset that it is a human right to piss energy away and walk around your house in your underwear no matter what the season.
It's genuinely enjoyable finishing work in the darkness of my study and feeling a bit chilly. I go and put a sweater on or do something active or sit in the sitting room with Mrs. B. All very cosy and British.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 7, 2022 18:38:06 GMT
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Post by flatandy on Dec 7, 2022 18:45:20 GMT
I heard a radio advert this morning saying "prices are higher than ever!"
Given how rarely there's been deflation in the western world, this really shouldn't be a revelation.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 7, 2022 18:48:09 GMT
Of course, when we talk about the energy crisis, we should think about the elderly and the immobile who often can't feel the temperature properly and whose mobility is impaired.
Mids, for example.
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Post by mids on Dec 7, 2022 18:48:20 GMT
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 7, 2022 18:52:20 GMT
I don't see a railway line. Are they going to transport the coal by road or is the plan to coke and transport the gas in liquid form?
None of that sounds terribly economic or green. Still, not my area.
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Post by mids on Dec 7, 2022 18:53:47 GMT
Since it's a space coalmine, spaceships I imagine.
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