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Post by mids on Dec 13, 2022 10:35:54 GMT
I'm considerably indifferent.
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Post by happyhammerhead on Dec 13, 2022 10:44:19 GMT
You certainly are.
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Post by flatandy on Dec 13, 2022 11:50:34 GMT
I mostly think strikes are rubbish. And unions are best when they’re sorting out the small things of members personal employment problems rather than big picture national issues. But when NHS workers are getting pittance of pay rises against a hulking inflation rate that’s caused by the government’s ineptitude, and the government refuses to allow negotiations because they’re desperate to keep taxes on the rich low, they appear to have little option. They need to have the option of strikes as a last resort when an employer is being unreasonable, and if the employer refuses to budge then they have to be willing to use that option.
In this instance, it feels like one of the times that striking does make sense.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 13, 2022 11:52:21 GMT
The rail workers start their strike today and the posties start soon too. I think there's a risk that both occupations will simply be demonstrating their own obsolescence. The NHS will be striking too on the 21st. There's considerable indifference and it feels like the public are less inclined towards knee-jerk sympathy for them. This could be their Waterloo. In all cases cases It's bee interesting to watch the unions desperately trying to rope the government into a dispute between the strikers and their employers. Is there considerable indifference? From what I can see (and hear from NHS staff) there is a lot of support for them. I support all the strikers. I think it’s good to see there is still one part of the British workforce that is willing to fight for better work environments. I support people's right to strike but it's silly to support all strikers. Half your family work for the NHS, so iikely that you'll hear a lot of support. Again, I suspect there are a lot of shy non-supporters as anything but religious worship of nurses attracts fascist vitriol. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 13, 2022 12:11:41 GMT
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Post by mids on Dec 13, 2022 12:19:03 GMT
What a tube. Waaah! Waaah! You're making a vague attempt at not being massively left wing as usual and I don't like it!
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Post by flatandy on Dec 13, 2022 12:29:59 GMT
I was on the side of Mick Lynch, and when I'd read what he'd said he seemed to make sense.
But that hat? Really? What a cunt. He may still be right, but now he's right and "Aren't I Working Class Wearing A Flat Cap, But A Very Expensive, Stylised, Performance-Cunt-Flat-Cap" hat-wearing cunt.
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Post by ootlg on Dec 13, 2022 14:12:03 GMT
Funny how such trite meaningless things can change one's views. Also strange how the terrible, terrible BBC suddenly becomes a paragon of virtue and truth when it means dropping a bucket of diarrhoea on working class heads.
The main issue with the rail strike, apart from money, is that the government wants to change the terms and conditions of employment to those altready on the payroll, which is bang out of order.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Dec 13, 2022 14:20:26 GMT
I thought Mick Lynch held his ground well on the radio this morning, cf. Mark "I'm Not At All Responsible" Harper, whose constant replaying of the Dr. Beeching playbook would have been laughable, were it not such a serious topic.
Mishal Husain is usually such a good interviewer too, so I can't help but think that she certainly drew the short straw this morning. Also, her not understanding that 83% (turnout) times 64% (voted to reject the latest offer) is still a majority (53% - an "overwhelming majority", as some on these 'ere boards would have it).
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Post by ootlg on Dec 13, 2022 14:29:35 GMT
Mishal Hussein and Justin Webb used to be the soft line interviewers against hard line Nick Robinson and Martha Kearney but they appear to trying to toughen up. Must be orders from new management.
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Post by ootlg on Dec 13, 2022 14:30:11 GMT
And Mick Lynch always comes across as a sensible bloke.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 13, 2022 14:53:17 GMT
Funny how such trite meaningless things can change one's views. Also strange how the terrible, terrible BBC suddenly becomes a paragon of virtue and truth when it means dropping a bucket of diarrhoea on working class heads. The main issue with the rail strike, apart from money, is that the government wants to change the terms and conditions of employment to those altready on the payroll, which is bang out of order. The government wants to? |
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Post by ootlg on Dec 13, 2022 14:58:09 GMT
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Post by ootlg on Dec 13, 2022 15:11:16 GMT
Following the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic in March 2020, the UK government relieved the companies of their franchises and issued new contracts that made rail revenue a government concern.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Dec 13, 2022 15:21:38 GMT
Funny how such trite meaningless things can change one's views. Also strange how the terrible, terrible BBC suddenly becomes a paragon of virtue and truth when it means dropping a bucket of diarrhoea on working class heads. The main issue with the rail strike, apart from money, is that the government wants to change the terms and conditions of employment to those altready on the payroll, which is bang out of order. The government wants to? The government does what the government wants to. Fixed. Thing is, the Tories put over £15Bn into rail during the pandemic when, arguably, there was scant reason for passenger traffic, and for obvious reasons too. They had the political will then but seem to be lacking it now, perhaps hoping that Joe Public and their potentially disrupted Christmas will suddenly pupate into the Tories smelling of scented f*ck*ng violets once more. The bottom line here is that the government claiming they're taking a back seat in these disputes is characteristically dishonest. They could broker a deal if they had the will to do so, but no - tax cuts being apparently a far better idea than taxing those who can afford it - they'll play their hand straight out of the Thatcher playbook. Break the unions' will to fight and you break the will of non-unionised labour along the way but, in this, I suspect they're playing with fire in the current economic climate. |
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Post by Repat Van on Dec 13, 2022 16:41:08 GMT
Well the BBC is incredibly right-wing and conservative so it’s not wrong of him to point that out. |
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Post by Repat Van on Dec 13, 2022 16:41:40 GMT
I was on the side of Mick Lynch, and when I'd read what he'd said he seemed to make sense. But that hat? Really? What a cunt. He may still be right, but now he's right and "Aren't I Working Class Wearing A Flat Cap, But A Very Expensive, Stylised, Performance-Cunt-Flat-Cap" hat-wearing cunt. It’s snowing here. He just wants to keep his head warm. |
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Post by ootlg on Dec 13, 2022 16:48:50 GMT
You're in the UK again? How long for?
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 13, 2022 16:58:39 GMT
And Mick Lynch always comes across as a sensible bloke. Not today, he didn't. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 13, 2022 17:00:03 GMT
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