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Post by ootlg on Dec 13, 2022 17:07:38 GMT
Nice bit of considered judgement there.
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Post by ootlg on Dec 13, 2022 17:08:45 GMT
Funny how such trite meaningless things can change one's views. Also strange how the terrible, terrible BBC suddenly becomes a paragon of virtue and truth when it means dropping a bucket of diarrhoea on working class heads. The main issue with the rail strike, apart from money, is that the government wants to change the terms and conditions of employment to those altready on the payroll, which is bang out of order. The government wants to? Following the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic in March 2020, the UK government relieved the companies of their franchises and issued new contracts that made rail revenue a government concern. Is this rubbish too? |
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Post by unclejunior on Dec 13, 2022 17:12:46 GMT
Let’s hope that Mick Lynch can maintain his derisory salary while he argues against his members working over Xmas….,😉
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 13, 2022 17:13:08 GMT
Following the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic in March 2020, the UK government relieved the companies of their franchises and issued new contracts that made rail revenue a government concern. Is this rubbish too? Revenue. Temporary. You make my point for me. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 13, 2022 17:15:17 GMT
Nice bit of considered judgement there. He came across as a thuggish, petulant, shyster. Unsurprisingly. The "reasonable man" act rarely bears scrutiny. He's a typical union oaf. |
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Post by mids on Dec 13, 2022 17:17:49 GMT
Paid by Putin.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Dec 13, 2022 17:23:23 GMT
So, just like the Tory party then?
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Post by mids on Dec 13, 2022 17:25:29 GMT
Nah that would be Germany. In his back pocket.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Dec 13, 2022 17:25:58 GMT
No, no - don't tell me - more "whataboutery"?
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Post by moggyonspeed on Dec 13, 2022 17:28:36 GMT
So the estimated £1.9M to £2.3M given by Vladimir to Boris and his acolytes must be made up then.
Surprising how this little blip doesn't seem to feature on your radar at all. How convenient.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 13, 2022 17:35:41 GMT
Estimated by whom?
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Post by mids on Dec 13, 2022 17:39:37 GMT
The BBC. As far as Germany goes, it's billions.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 13, 2022 17:43:21 GMT
And growing.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 21, 2022 9:05:01 GMT
A this point, it feels like the population are losing sympathy with the strikers, despite the best efforts of the BBC and the rest of the lefty media.
People seem to support the strikes but are lukewarm about the demands. The claims by the various unions that they are concerned about public safety are seen for what they are and there's a general feeling that the unions are losing because the government won't engage where they don't need to.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 21, 2022 9:30:12 GMT
It's been very interesting to see the unions' PR machine at work during the strike with identical messaging being parroted by sympathetic media outlets.
The message over the last few days is that Rishi Sunak is avoiding engagement. Yeah, and?
It feels like the unions are running out of options and they know that public sympathy is a perishable good.
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Post by flatandy on Dec 21, 2022 13:40:36 GMT
The public always hate strikes. I'm actually surprised at how tolerant they're being of them, which suggests that the public is much more sympathetic than normal to the demands.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 21, 2022 13:53:33 GMT
I think there have been a couple of factors in dymanic tension here. Firstly, I think that most reasonable people support people's right to strike and assume that they have a bona fide grievance. Secondly, there is considerable amount of knee-jerk, nanny sympathy for all things NHS. Both seem to be in decline.
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Post by flatandy on Dec 21, 2022 14:01:55 GMT
I think a lot of people know that the NHS is struggling with staffing, and know the railways are a mess, and also know that inflation is through the roof. If pay in the ambulance service is not keeping up with inflation, I think the public are going to be sympathetic because they actually want an ambulance service that has competent staff and not minimum wage wastrels who are only qualified to flip burgers rather than administer life saving treatments.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 21, 2022 14:15:50 GMT
I'm not sure that any of those problems can be fixed by offering some employees more wages.
Maybe if we fixed the organisations they would be more effective and efficient so they could afford to offer higher salaries and/or better conditions, thereby being more attractive as employers.
Maybe we could also stop the reliance on "cheap"* overseas labour.
*only "cheap" if the employer is not responsible for the full cost of employment or wider social costs.
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Post by flatandy on Dec 21, 2022 14:20:33 GMT
Cheap* domestic labour also has huge wider societal costs that employers don't absorb. Don't be disingenuous.
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