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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2023 18:12:25 GMT
It very funny that neither of you think that the office of PotUS comes with an expectation of some degree of moral rectitude. The family values thing for one. Yeah, I know that there have been shagger presidents before, but that's not the point and you know it.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2023 18:13:33 GMT
And creepy and perry, but nothing in the act was illegal, and as FA said he never cast himself as a moral crusader, two definite differences between the men. No one is defending creepy perry Clinton here, but brining him up is an attempt to distract from the activities of the Senator from Texas, who not only is creepy and perry, he broke the law and has been wailing "oh won't someone think of the children" and accusing all and sundry of grooming and sexualusation of young people. Though given the track record of moral crusading conservatives in the US, I guess the only surprising aspect of his behavior is it wasn't a rent boy in some motel he was banging while snorting coke off his ass. Are you attempting humour here? |
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Post by flatandy on May 10, 2023 18:20:23 GMT
It very funny that neither of you think that the office of PotUS comes with an expectation of some degree of moral rectitude. The family values thing for one. Yeah, I know that there have been shagger presidents before, but that's not the point and you know it. This is such a weird take. There's no expectation of "family values" for a President, nothing at all. And most other US presidents have had appalling moral rectitude. We know: Trump, Clinton, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy were all rotten. We know that FDR lied about his health, that Teddy Roosevelt was a horrible racist, as was Woodrow Wilson. Harding was utterly corrupt. Bush 1 was probably very dodgy as boss of the CIA. Bush 2 and Obama and Biden don't have a lot of dirt around them yet. Carter is obviously morally upstanding. But, yeah, weird take that you're having a go at one of them for dodgy moral rectitude and not caring about the others. |
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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2023 18:28:08 GMT
Who said I didn't care about the others?
Are you really suggesting that US presidents aren't required to be wholesome family men?
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Post by voice on May 10, 2023 18:30:32 GMT
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Post by voice on May 10, 2023 18:34:47 GMT
Well they have to be presented as wholesome family men, but few are, and really it doesn't matter if they shagging around like so many have, president's are elected to run a country not be the beacon of moral fortitude.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2023 18:36:52 GMT
I am none of those things. Is that the funny bit? |
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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2023 18:39:20 GMT
Well they have to be presented as wholesome family men, but few are, and really it doesn't matter if they shagging around like so many have, president's are elected to run a country not be the beacon of moral fortitude. That's clearly not true. They wouldn't bother if they didn't think it was an expectation. When was the last bachelor president? The last confirmed bachelor president? The last president with a criminal record? All of these people could be effective administrators. |
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Post by voice on May 10, 2023 18:42:47 GMT
I am none of those things. Is that the funny bit? Odd reply, never suggested you were, and you're not a morality crusading US conservative |
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Post by flatandy on May 10, 2023 18:59:42 GMT
When was the last bachelor president? James Buchanan. Who was - and I'm pretty sure it's a coincidence, but who knows - the US's worst ever president. |
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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2023 19:04:04 GMT
Maybe that's why they have nice wives, like Hillary.
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Post by flatandy on May 10, 2023 19:10:40 GMT
I know you're desperate to push your bizarre claim that Bill Clinton somehow materially damaged the US in ways that Andrew Jackson and James Buchanan and Franklin Pierce and Richard Nixon and Chester Arthur didn't. And that he did so by getting a blow job from an intern.
But you're wrong.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2023 19:21:59 GMT
So you say, but I disagree. You just can't choke down how much damage Clinton's behaviour did to the prestige of the office and to America. And he's your dreamboat too.
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Post by voice on May 10, 2023 19:32:24 GMT
Still stange to me that the right, after 3 decades, still obsessively hate Slippery Bill, while ignoring much much worse behaviour from other president's before and after.
Suppose it doesn't help they know he was, despite getting bj, a very popular and probably the most successful president in the last half century, being the only one to ballence the books and create strong economic growth.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2023 19:44:28 GMT
I don't mind Bill Clinton but I genuinely think he was bad for America in many ways. Not as bad as Trump, but I think that in some ways Clinton set America on that path.
I'm no prude and I am well aware of the difference between public image and the discrete goings on of grown ups. The problem with that is that they need to remain discrete and, if not, they should be owned up to. Clinton gutted any pretence of honour and integrity. Think how that looks.
Slick Willy isn't my thing. Knock yourselves out.
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Post by mids on May 10, 2023 19:44:55 GMT
Clinton was awful. A massive creepy, lying perv yet the far left absolutely love that about him.
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Post by perrykneeham on May 10, 2023 19:46:02 GMT
They're gay for Bill.
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Post by mids on May 10, 2023 19:47:57 GMT
Fellatio envy.
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Post by voice on Jun 9, 2023 19:35:08 GMT
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 5, 2023 9:12:48 GMT
Proper Victor issue here: why oh bloody why do supermarkets allow shoppers to push their kids around in the shopping trolleys?
It clearly says on the trolleys that this is not permitted and there are two very obvious reasons why: hygiene and health & safety.
I was in Tesco yesterday afternoon and there were at least eight occasions when I saw older kids riding around in the trolleys with their street shoes on. One was about twelve and wearing his dirty football kit, while eating a cake that they hadn't yet paid for.
It's the smug "fuckyou" look on the parent's face too. What kind of example is that to set?
Cunts. Funny how you never see that in M&S or Waitrose.
Also, if that is the policy, why don't they enforce it?
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