General Election 2024

[perrykneeham]

And he keeps making stupid mistakes.

[flatandy]

I disagree on the shiteness of the Tories. I know I live in a bubble, even more so when it comes to UK politics, but the (ex)Tories I know are all completely disaffected by the current mob. I see no evidence of, nor driver of, a recovery in Tory fortunes.

I completely agree about Sturmer being a shadow of Blair with no big beasts - I just don't think (45% of) the electorate will get engaged enough to care about that in a month. They'll realise too late, when he's going to have 5 years to implement his vapid fascism without a chance for opposition or resistance.

[perrykneeham]

Many Tories are disaffected, that's true, and despairing. We've seen this before and I just don't think that there is a sensible alternative. That doesn't mean that they won't vote, nor does it mean that they'll vote for an alternative. I expect most will just vote Tory to limit the damage and for the satisfaction of being able to distance themselves from the shitshow that's to come.

[mids]

Within a year of the Labour government, nobody who voted for them will admit to it.

[perrykneeham]

Nige is off to a strong start ....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69088663

"The new Reform UK leader, Nigel Farage, says the UK should aim for "zero" net migration
Net migration is the difference between numbers arriving and leaving - Farage says it would still allow skilled workers to enter the UK
He was speaking as the Conservatives announce a plan to reduce the number of migrant visas every year
Under the plan, MPs would vote on visa numbers annually, based on recommendations from the Migration Advisory Committee"

[moggyonspeed]

"Under the plan, MPs would vote on visa numbers annually, based on recommendations from the Migration Advisory Committee".

I agree. It would be interesting to see how that goes if Labour, with its anticipated thumping majority, were to enact such a scheme.

[moggyonspeed]

Jun 4, 2024 6:42:43 GMT mids said:

Within a year of the Labour government, nobody who voted for them will admit to it.

Phew - gets me off the hook. I ain't voting Labour.

[perrykneeham]

Haha. Good man. I didn't think you could bring yourself to do it.

[mids]

You never know what goes on in the dark secrecy of the polling booth...

[perrykneeham]

See, this is why I couldn't bring myself to vote LibDem ....

"The Liberal Democrats say free personal care would be offered to older or disabled people at home, if they were the government.

Leader Sir Ed Davey says this pledge, plus raising care workers' pay, would end the hospital crisis and help people stay in their own homes.

Plans would be funded by reversing tax cuts given to big banks by the Conservatives, he said, covering the estimated £2.7bn cost by 2028-29.

The numbers are still being assessed, but independent experts suggest the potential costs of this policy are likely to be higher."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmww3ne8wo

It's specious nonsense, isn't it?

[mids]

There's a few things they're not saying. There's free personal care in Scotland of up to 4 hours per day (I think you can get an hour in England). My dad had 2 hours and was due to go up to 4 but there are a couple of problems. Everyone wants it at roughly the same time. When they get up in the morning and about dinner time/early evening and maybe lunchtime too. There's also a shortage of staff so he never actually got the 4 hours in the end. The carers, while decent people, were never great. They meant well but always seemed overworked or anxious to get to their next job. A bit thick too, truth be told although there's nothing wrong with that and it's not really surprising. I doubt it's possible on 3 billion or so.

[moggyonspeed]

"Plans would be funded by reversing tax cuts given to big banks by the Conservatives, he said, covering the estimated £2.7bn cost by 2028-29.
The numbers are still being assessed, but independent experts suggest the potential costs of this policy are likely to be higher."

Classic LibDems ...

1. They can say what they damn-well like, knowing that they're not going to be in power come July 5th.
2. If the putative reversed tax-cuts on the banks cover the estimated cost by 2028-29, what happens between now and then?
3. The "independent experts" are right : the numbers just don't add up.

Sums not adding up is a recent Tory trait, so WTAF do Ed Davey et al think they're doing by following suit? People want change, and that includes a change in our leaders' basic understanding of how numbers and public finances work.

3/10. Unsatisfactory. Must try harder. See me after school.

[Repat Van]

Jun 4, 2024 6:42:43 GMT mids said:

Within a year of the Labour government, nobody who voted for them will admit to it.

Nah - like with Khan (did I mention I voted Khan - well I did) I would say openly that I voted for Labour.

Although I have no idea who I am voting for except to say it definitely will not be the Tory candidate.

[Repat Van]

Jun 4, 2024 10:30:08 GMT mids said:

There's a few things they're not saying. There's free personal care in Scotland of up to 4 hours per day (I think you can get an hour in England). My dad had 2 hours and was due to go up to 4 but there are a couple of problems. Everyone wants it at roughly the same time. When they get up in the morning and about dinner time/early evening and maybe lunchtime too. There's also a shortage of staff so he never actually got the 4 hours in the end. The carers, while decent people, were never great. They meant well but always seemed overworked or anxious to get to their next job. A bit thick too, truth be told although there's nothing wrong with that and it's not really surprising. I doubt it's possible on 3 billion or so.

It’s also not possible if they want balanced migration. It seems like care work, specific elder care work is not interesting to a majority of Britons. We always need to import them.

[mids]

We definitely don't need to import fighting age males whose culture strongly disapproves of such caring roles for men.

[perrykneeham]

"It’s also not possible if they want balanced migration. It seems like care work, specific elder care work is not interesting to a majority of Britons. We always need to import them."

Don't care is made to care. Or should be. Carrot and/or stick.

[flatandy]

Jun 4, 2024 6:44:23 GMT perrykneeham said:

"The new Reform UK leader, Nigel Farage, says the UK should aim for "zero" net migration
Net migration is the difference between numbers arriving and leaving - Farage says it would still allow skilled workers to enter the UK

This implies that he will forcibly deport underperforming British citizens to maintain the net zero while still allowing good foreigners in?

That won't go down too well with his voters as the vast majority of people willing to vote for Fargle are underperforming British citizens

[flatandy]

Jun 4, 2024 6:42:43 GMT mids said:

Within a year of the Labour government, nobody who voted for them will admit to it.

It certainly wasn't me.

[flatandy]

[mids]

A terrorist attack.