Starmergeddon Time

[mids]

I'm against Labour.

[perrykneeham]

Of course, Labour are spiteful scum and it's fair to say that this is politically motivated cuntishness.

[moggyonspeed]

What made me larf was hearing that these farmers feel "let down" by the Government, as if whole swathes of them had ever even considered voting anything but Tory.

I agree with the point baloo made regarding farmers; I've never known a skint one, moaning about having no extra capital to invest in their farms, but having enough to buy up more than one buy-to-let property in the nearest town or city. Inconsistent and incoherent - hence favoured by the Tories.

[mids]

Yeah, driving around in their £300k agricultural machinery!

[moggyonspeed]

... each fitted with a StarLink satellite connection for streaming hi-fi-standard classical music into the cab whilst they "lift that bale".

Almost as bad as a Land Rover Discovery in Kensington being fitted with bull bars and a winch.

[mids]

StarLink? Bloody Musk again!

[flatandy]

Nov 19, 2024 5:43:07 GMT voice said:

About time this was put to a proper vote. Its beyond time people had the choice to have the death they want.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpvzxlz1y1ro

I'm sort of torn on this because there are people in marginalised groups - particularly long term sick and handicapped - who are against it, and I probably ought to listen to them as the most likely victims. But on its face it seems really f**k**g obvious that you shouldn't be forced to live in pain and misery when you know your end is coming and your life is basically nothing but pain.

I can't imagine I'd ever want assisted dying, because I'm one of those people who always thinks a miracle cure is around the corner. And also one of those people who always wants to know what's about to happen so I probably want to miss out on as little as possible even if I feel like sh*t. But other people are different and it feels churlish to deny them a moderately painless ending when it is fairly easy to achieve.

[flatandy]

Nov 19, 2024 7:28:41 GMT perrykneeham said:

"Hundreds of police officers will be on duty on Tuesday morning as angry farmers descend on Westminster to protest against Labour’s inheritance tax changes.

A row has erupted over the new “tractor tax” for farms worth more than £1 million in a Budget move described as “destructive lunacy”.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/met-police-farmers-westminster-rally-against-labour-inheritance-tax-jeremy-clarkson-b1194671.html

I can't say I feel any particular sympathy towards farmers really. I've never met a poor one and they seem to have things very well tied up in support of their lifestyles. I understand the need to protect farms from constant division at the point of inheritance, but this nonsense of proxy-farming and inheritance protection has got to stop, especially as it's the people who can most afford to pay that are getting the benefit.

100% this. I saw a story of some farmer committing suicide because of the consequences of the change to inheritance tax. I have to say I was doubtful about the veracity of it.

It's worth noting that inheritance tax on farms even under Starmer starts at 1m quid - for the farm alone, each time it goes first to a spouse and then to the kid - and is only 20% after that. So you really have to start with 3m in assets before you face any tax at all and if you have a farm worth 8m quid you are paying a pitiful 1m in inheritance tax. It is typical of farmers to think they are special and deserve to be treated completely differently to the rest of society.

[wetkingcanute]

[mids]

The assisted killing thing sounds good in principle and, obviously, Voice supports it. My worry is that people who advocate strongly always seem to have arrived at their position quite selfishly. It's always about their death or a close relative. It's a serious enough business that you should think about it in societal terms and not what you'd like when the time comes.

[voice]

Having been involved in MAID here for going on a decade, I've not seen one instance of it being abused by care staff or relatives, in fact the only issues really have been relatives opposed to their loved one having MAID. Sure there have been stories in the right wing press, anecdotes and wild claims about MAID being used inappropriately, but I've seen non that stand up when the full facts are revealed.

The thing that's stood out for me is the number of people who've been assessed and accepted for MAID who don't, in the end, use it, just having it there and knowing they retain that control is enough for them to still have a good death, peace of mind I suppose knowing it can be used if things get beyond tolerance

[unclejunior]

speaking of farmers.....
x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1858853384033288622
Clarkson schooling the Beeb

[moggyonspeed]

Nov 19, 2024 17:07:59 GMT unclejunior said:

speaking of farmers.....
x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1858853384033288622
Clarkson schooling the Beeb

Funny to think how someone with just the one C-grade A-Level from a minor public school should see themselves fit to school anybody, but there ya go.

In fairness to the bloke, he's a good writer when it comes to the motor industry, and he did vote Remain, perhaps the least-qualified person to do so.

Vive l'élitisme intellectuel!

[mids]

I'm pretty sure Repton isn't a minor public school.

[perrykneeham]

Would an A-level from, say, Harrow give him more bottom?

[perrykneeham]

Oct 23, 2024 17:51:30 GMT perrykneeham said:

Oct 23, 2024 15:51:52 GMT voice said:

Link to the dog shouter who got sent down just for shouting at a dog, though since you've been unable to link to that, despite claiming it as fact for months now, it's just assumed you made it up.

It's been  linked before, I'm sure, but here you go ....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2nm5jgxlko

<bump>

[flatandy]

So, the BBC - like the Daily Mail - is a crappy right-wing rag which wants scandalous headlines when in the first sentence of the actual story you realise it's nonsense.

Headline "Man jailed for shouting at dog"

Actual body content "Man jailed for violent disorder". And whose violent disorder was related to the "tinderbox atmosphere". So, nothing to do with the pig-pup at all.

[perrykneeham]

Nah, the quotes aren't from the BBC.

[mids]

Inflation surges. Surges.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/11/20/ftse-100-markets-latest-news-uk-inflation-boe-energy-bills/

[perrykneeham]

Starmer's crashing the economy. Nobody had any faith in The Chancerlor.