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[Repat Van]

I wonder why they felt the need to make it a specific offence?

But anyway good. The kind of sad abusive bastard to do this deserves an extended period of time at his majesty’s pleasure.

[mids]

Jul 15, 2024 18:26:56 GMT Repat Van said:

I wonder why they felt the need to make it a specific offence?

Virtue signalling.

[Repat Van]

Jul 15, 2024 18:28:48 GMT mids said:

Jul 15, 2024 18:26:56 GMT Repat Van said:

I wonder why they felt the need to make it a specific offence?

Virtue signalling.

Nurse!!!

[mids]

Jul 15, 2024 18:31:20 GMT Repat Van said:

Jul 15, 2024 18:28:48 GMT mids said:

Virtue signalling.

Wah!!!

[Repat Van]

Ok this makes things clearer.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2023-0231/

“Calls for a specific offence
There have been calls to introduce a specific offence of spiking, or to amend the existing law to include specific reference to spiking.
In its report on spiking, published in April 2022, the Home Affairs Committee called on the Home Office to provide a written update on progress towards creating a separate criminal offence of spiking within six months of the date of its report. It considered that the introduction of a specific offence would not stop spiking, but would have several benefits, including enabling better data collection by police, acting as a deterrent to perpetrators, and encouraging more victims to report spiking.
Richard Graham MP has introduced two Private Members’ Bills on the issue (under the ten minute rule).
In January 2022, he introduced the Spiking (Offence) Bill, which sought to create an offence of administering or attempting to administer drugs or alcohol to a person without their consent. Speaking at first reading, Mr Graham said that the existing law had been successfully used in some cases, but that “much in between is not covered, especially where it is not clear or cannot be proved what the purpose of spiking was or where the drug used cannot be identified, including because its effects have already worn off”.

[perrykneeham]

Just in passing ....

electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/labours-new-bankroller-israel-lobbyist-south-african-apartheid-profiteer

[mids]

Interesting.

"To date, it remains elusive to accurately estimate the prevalence of spiking (Blandamer et al., 2023; Sheard, 2011). Many individuals seem reluctant to seek medical and/or police services to investigate suspected spiking – probably due to stigma, shame, insecurity, and other barriers associated with such incidents (Busardò et al., 2019; Taylor et al., 2004). Further, even among those who do seek professional investigation, the suspicion of spiking is often not confirmed: In the vast majority of cases, involuntarily consumed substances are not detected or their pharmacological profiles do not align with spiking (Greene et al., 2007; Hughes et al., 2007; Quigley et al., 2009). Contrary to the widespread populistic assumption that gamma-Hydroxybutyric acid (GHB) / gamma-Butyrolactone (GBL) is frequently used in drink spiking, this substance is seldomly detected in toxicological analyses. Instead, high levels of alcohol intoxications seem to play a much more prominent role than often expected (Anderson et al., 2019; Bühler et al., 2019; Fiorentin & Logan, 2019; Greene et al., 2007; Hughes et al., 2007; Quigley et al., 2009). In a prospective observational case series, Greene et al. (2007) investigated urine and blood samples from 78 adults (mean age = 24 years; 82% women, 18% men) who presented to an emergency department in London within 12 hours of allegedly having consumed a spiked drink. Ethanol was detected in 90% of participants. The mean serum ethanol concentration was 1.65 g/L (range: 0.04–3.10 g/L) and 60% exhibited a concentration associated with significant intoxication (>1.5 g/L). Whether these levels of intoxication were voluntary or (in part) due to spiking with alcohol remains indistinguishable. Illicit drugs were detected in 12 (15%) participants, prescription drugs in 13 (16.7%). Illicit or medicinal substances of unexplained origin (with denied intentional exposure) were detected in eight participants (10%). Three of these cases exhibited methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA), three cannabis, and two (3%) unexplained sedative drug exposure (one case GHB/GBL; one case benzodiazepine) (Greene et al., 2007). In a prospective observational study of 97 individuals with suspected drink spiking within the previous 12 hours at an emergency department in Australia, nine cases appeared to be clinically plausible and in four of those cases unexpected substances were detected (Quigley et al., 2009). In a descriptive toxicological analysis of urine and blood samples of 264 females aged ≥12 years who sought consultation at a Sexual Assault Center in Trondheim (Norway) between 2003 and 2010, Ethanol was again the most prevalent substance, with high concentrations frequently observed (estimated median serum ethanol concentration at the time of assault: 1.87 g/L) (Hagemann et al., 2013). A total of 19% screened positive for drugs; 62% of these with benzodiazepines/benzodiazepine-like-drugs, 28% central stimulants (MDMA, amphetamine, methamphetamine), 26% cannabinoids, and 18% opioids; no one tested positive for GHB/GBL. A total of 57 females (22%) suspected proactive DFSA, but only seven (12%) of these individuals tested positive for substances not voluntarily ingested (benzodiazepines, opioids, cannabis, and amphetamines). Toxicological results from a study in Wales (UK) (Hughes et al., 2007) as well as a Canadian study of 882 alleged victims of DFSA (mean age = 26 years; 96.2% women, 3.8% males; Du Mont et al., 2010) aligned with these findings. In 87 (10%) cases, unexpected drugs were found, and again, most of them were not typically expected “spiking drugs”: 40% cannabinoids, 32% cocaine, 14% amphetamines, 9% MDMA, 2% ketamine, and 1% GHB/GBL (Du Mont et al., 2010)."

journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00220426231197826

[moggyonspeed]

'Vaughan Gething quizzed by Welsh Parliament after quitting as first minister' : The honourable thing to do ...

Y'see, this is how so many Tories should have behaved had they had a shred of honour between them. You make a bad mistake, you go - simple as.

i could have put this in the Tory Scum thread, but no - this is a favourable development which is clearly differentiable from the ingrained dishonour of Her Majesty's opposition.

[perrykneeham]

Jul 16, 2024 12:46:01 GMT moggyonspeed said:

'Vaughan Gething quizzed by Welsh Parliament after quitting as first minister' : The honourable thing to do ...

Y'see, this is how so many Tories should have behaved had they had a shred of honour between them. You make a bad mistake, you go - simple as.

i could have put this in the Tory Scum thread, but no - this is a favourable development which is clearly differentiable from the ingrained dishonour of Her Majesty's opposition.

What, you mean deny any wrongdoing for months, until your own party force you out?

[mids]

I think that's as far as honour goes for the extreme far left.

[perrykneeham]

How's the EU reset going Kier?

"Spain will soon impose a hard border on Gibraltar because there is no Brexit deal for the Rock, authorities on the British territory have warned.

Gibraltar’s government has told residents they will face full Brexit border controls for the first time once new EU border systems are in place in November."

[flatandy]

I agree that we should rejoin the EU

[perrykneeham]

"We"?

[flatandy]

As I often say, I still have citizenship and pay taxes. We.

[perrykneeham]

20% max, on both counts. As I often say.

[unclejunior]

I seem to recall that we had a “once in a generation “ vote on 2016 about Brexit & we overwhelmingly voted to get out thereby reversing our 70 s vote to join.

I therefore look forward to another vote , if the EU survives that long, in the mid 2050 s

[Repat Van]

Jul 24, 2024 15:33:27 GMT unclejunior said:

I seem to recall that we had a “once in a generation “ vote on 2016 about Brexit & we overwhelmingly voted to get out thereby reversing our 70 s vote to join.

I therefore look forward to another vote , if the EU survives that long, in the mid 2050 s

“Overwhelmingly” is doing some heavy lifting there….

[perrykneeham]

Yeah, like "landslide" in the recent general election.

[perrykneeham]

"A police officer has been filmed appearing to kick and stamp on the head of a man lying on the ground at Manchester Airport."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7259wpl1x9o

I would like to think this was new policy, endorsed by the new Home Secretary.

[mids]

Burnham's Bullhies.