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[ricklinc]

What's wrong with not wanting your grandchildren to be brought up by gays?

[mids]

Since social work departments never, ever get things wrong, I expect there is much more to these so-called kindly "grandparents" than meets the eye. The "grandfather" is no doubt some sort of sexual pervert while the "grandmother" is probably a fully paid up member of the BNP. Scum like this should be hounded out of their homes for possibly holding these vile views.

[jonren]

"Yeah well, maybe the gay couple were better suited or had been on the waiting list longer"- - - - - VHW


Sorry Vox, to my mind NO same sex couples are more suited to bringing up children than 'mother and father' figures. The teenage problems in this country increased ten fold with the demise of the traditional family. I have lived through both eras and feel qualified to give an opinion.

[tarrant]

It's astonishing the numbers of intelligent and apparently professional people who can allow their personal feelings affect their judgement on issues such as these.

The only thing we know about this family is that the mother is a 24yo recovering drug addict who is unable to care for the children.

She must be pretty ill. Other drug addicted parents care for their children.

The grandfather is apparently a farm worker with angina.

A farm worker?? In Edinburgh?? A farm worker with angina??

The little girl is wary of men.

I wonder why??

The social workers have chosen a gay couple to adopt the children. They would have done a full and very detailed examination of the children, their needs and the couple and their abilities. Social Work is not some amateur hobby done by well meaning housewives with nothing better to do. It is a profession, peer regulated which requires years of study.

Edinburgh is a city of enormous contrasts. There are people there with enormous personal wealth and other who are the absolute dregs of society.

But even with these few facts that we have, there is at least one person here talking about taking the law into his own hands to the point of being arrested.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Jan 28, 2009 14:22:14 GMT jonren said:

to my mind NO same sex couples are more suited to bringing up children than 'mother and father' figures

That's silly and you don't think that. The couple who tortured Baby P to death are more suited to bringing up children than any gay couple ever anywhere in the world? You don't think that, do you?

[jonren]

No! of course not, I was talking on average. Of course there are hetersexual couples who have committed atrocities against children The Wests for example but they were hardly the norm. There are far more homosexual paedophiles around.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Good, I thought you didn't mean that.

[ricklinc]

The couple who tortured Baby P to death weren't trying to adopt. I doubt that social services would hand a kid over to them. Unless they were gay in which case I wouldn't bet against it.

I've said before that I'm against gays adopting kids. A couple of decades from now when kids adopted by gays grow up we'll find out if I am right. In the meantime why should the chance be taken when it doesn't have to be? As far as I'm concerned every kid awarded to a gay couple is an experiment. One I wouldn't do because the results wouldn't lead to any useful knowledge. It's just for gays to have rights that they don't need and shouldn't have. If a couple can't be bothered to fcuk for a child then how can you be sure that they'll be bothered to care for it when the Brad and Angelina fashion trend gets stale?

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Arrant nonsense that merits no more in response than a snort.

[jonren]

"Social services Stasi should hang their heads in shame"

"They were told that if they so much as objected to the adoption of the children by the gay couple then they would never be allowed to see the children again."

‘You can either accept it,’ the grandparents were told by social workers, ‘and there’s a chance you’ll see the children twice a year, or you can take that stance and never see them again.’ The Stalinist secret police couldn’t have put it better."

"Further, the grandparents are not allowed even to know where the children will live, what the gay couple’s circumstances are and what kind of a home they will provide for the children. Equally astonishingly, it emerges the youngsters were not given to a gay couple for want of other alternatives: indeed there were several other heterosexual couples desperate and deemed suitable to adopt the children."


www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1131247/AMANDA-PLATELL-Social-services-Stasi-hang-heads-shame.html

[reef]

If the girl is wary of men, why are they placing her with 2 men? Fuckwits!!!

[jonren]

The children have expressed a wish to be with their grandparents. Are they to be also ignored? Have this council considered the happiness of the children or are they so tied up in meeting ridiculous 'diversity targets'? Outrageous!

[Victor Meldrew]

The children have expressed a wish to be with their grandparents. Are they to be also ignored?

If the social services PC brigade are involved, then the answer is yes.

Had this been a custody case between the kids' natural parents, the court would determine the case by putting the wishes and the best interests of the children at the forefront.

[vania]

Just because the couple are gay does not mean that the kids won't have a normal life.

That said...what the f...? 46 and 59 are young ages. There are plenty of people having kids in their late forties early 40s in this day and age.

Plus I think it's far preferable to keep the children within their family if it is at all possible.

[cheyenne]

Having worked in the matrimonial dept of a firm of solicitors, I know there is such a thing as "grandparental rights" and these grandparents should be consulting with solicitors right now and have the children returned to them post-haste.

The mum may be a drug addict, but what incentive is there now for her to get better, when she knows she'll not see her kids again, which she would, had they been left in the capable and caring hands of their grandparents?

Oh and who is going to explain periods to the little girl - a couple of gay guys?? It's a mum's job.
Period.

[vania]

Issue is after what they claim are threats from the council and also a lack of funds they aren't in a position to fight.

[cheyenne]

vania: it sounds to me as though they may be eligible for public funding to fight a court case.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Jan 29, 2009 11:40:15 GMT cheyenne said:

Oh and who is going to explain periods to the little girl - a couple of gay guys?? It's a mum's job.
Period.

What do dads of little girls whose mums died or left do?

[vania]

I totally missed that! I guess all those girls whose mothers have died/walked should start to worry...

[dwad]

Jan 29, 2009 11:51:11 GMT VikingHumpingWitch said:

Jan 29, 2009 11:40:15 GMT cheyenne said:

Oh and who is going to explain periods to the little girl - a couple of gay guys?? It's a mum's job.
Period.

What do dads of little girls whose mums died or left do?

They mourn, call it a tragedy and get on with life. Are you saying gay adoption is a tragedy?