VikingHumpingWitch
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 29, 2009 13:26:48 GMT
But can you not see that for some reason solid evidence is not deemed necessary in the other direction. We are making a total fundamental change to the structure of families going against all experience and without evidence of whether it is a good thing or not. It's like taking a completely untested drug that may be worse even though you know aspirin will do a good job, just to give that pharma company a boost. I don't see it as a fundamental change. |
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Post by dwad on Jan 29, 2009 13:27:57 GMT
By the way, what little research into the outomes for children of having two gay parents was done on lezza couples in Bristol and they found that at the age the kids were studied, there were no serious adverse effects. All they found was that they tended to get teased a bit more at school. Of course that could change as they get older plus it was as you'd expect quite a small sample and also gayers that adopt tend to be relatively well off, middle class and very committed. I think as society advances we are getting more two mother/father couples through "natural" consequences anyway. ie parents coming out and divorcing, single parents later deciding another preference, whatever. I really don't see the rush on pushing gay adoption. I'd be much happier to give it a generation or so of solid research to look at the outcomes of these early cases and then make an informed decision. |
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Post by dwad on Jan 29, 2009 13:28:51 GMT
But can you not see that for some reason solid evidence is not deemed necessary in the other direction. We are making a total fundamental change to the structure of families going against all experience and without evidence of whether it is a good thing or not. It's like taking a completely untested drug that may be worse even though you know aspirin will do a good job, just to give that pharma company a boost. I don't see it as a fundamental change. Read some history then. Being gay was illegal in the lifetime of people on here. |
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Post by ricklinc on Jan 29, 2009 13:30:31 GMT
I bet even now Stonewail is grooming some adopted kid for poster duty as the perfect result of an upbringing by gay parents. No doubt there'll be a movie or BBC miniseries showing the early life in the Hell of having terrible straight parents, the intervention by the saintly adoption agency staff and the wonderfully joyful years learning about tolerance and love as the kid grows to maturity as healthy, well-rounded young adult.
Award winning stuff.
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 29, 2009 13:30:50 GMT
Sorry, I'll rephrase. Clearly legally it is a fundamental change. I mean I don't think it is a fundamental change to the structure of The Family. I know you think that single parent offspring almost inevitably turn into sick, impoverish, mentally ill losers with criminal tendencies and only a lucky few escape such a fate, but that really is not so. People divorcing and kids growing up with one parent isn't a fundmental change either.
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Post by evenstar on Jan 29, 2009 13:32:50 GMT
I know plenty of people who had gay parents/single gay parent/estranged gay parent/ gay couple etc... and also a lot of gays with kids/teenagers etc... now I do have slight homo- bias, BUT really they are not that much different from the rest of us. just as feked up/ happy/ etc as the rest of their peers.
The 'family' is now so different than before not just with gays, we have step families, single parents, IVF parents, surrogate parents, junkie parents, adoption, fostering, extended families, step grannies etc etc.... the focus should be on the child's welfare, whomever is the provider.
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Post by ricklinc on Jan 29, 2009 13:34:24 GMT
The fundamental change in the law was not made in order to help children. It was made to appease gay rights groups. What the fcuk kind of reason is that to mess around with a family structure that has been working for thousands of years?
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Post by dwad on Jan 29, 2009 13:34:47 GMT
I know you think that single parent offspring almost inevitably turn into sick, impoverish, mentally ill losers with criminal tendencies and only a lucky few escape such a fate, but that really is not so. People divorcing and kids growing up with one parent isn't a fundmental change either. Clearly not what I think (what I think, sorry what all statisitcs say, is that your chances increase and thus I think it's a Bad Thing) but I would say while it isn't a fundamental change as it's always happened, the acceptance of it as "okay" again is one. |
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Post by evenstar on Jan 29, 2009 13:36:13 GMT
So how many of us come from this 'idea family' type stucture ?
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Post by mids on Jan 29, 2009 13:36:24 GMT
I don't see it as a fundamental change. Read some history then. Being gay was illegal in the lifetime of people on here. I'm not sure there's a need (other than diversity targets) to rush into it willy nilly either but I can't think of any strong reasons to be against other than the fact that there are plenty heterosexual couples wanting to adopt and that just seems better. By the way, top marks to Al for the thread title. |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 29, 2009 13:37:00 GMT
Absolutely Dwad, what we should be doing is ostracising children and parents who do not meet the standard family unit of Mummy and Daddy. That would clearly be a far better option than this dangerous nonsense of accepting it happens and people get over it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2009 13:38:07 GMT
The fundamental change in the law was not made in order to help children
Gays were children once, ricklinc, and have families, they don't come from mars.
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Post by mids on Jan 29, 2009 13:38:16 GMT
So how many of us come from this 'idea family' type stucture ? Me. I'm from the superior upbringing model. *waves* |
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Post by Victor Meldrew on Jan 29, 2009 13:39:01 GMT
The 'family' is now so different than before not just with gays, we have step families, single parents, IVF parents, surrogate parents, junkie parents, adoption, fostering, extended families, step grannies etc etc.... the focus should be on the child's welfare, whomever is the provider
And there, in one sentence, is the encapsulation with why society in Britain is so crap today. The focus should be on trying to get as many kids living in what has always been the 'traditional family unit' as possible.
I wish I had a pound for each time I've heard the mother of some tearway piece of teenage trash threatening everyone on their housing estate blaming the kid's problems on never having had a father figure in their lives. I'd have been mortgage free a long time ago.
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Post by evenstar on Jan 29, 2009 13:39:51 GMT
The fundamental change in the law was not made in order to help children Gays were children once, ricklinc, and have families, they don't come from mars. I was grown in a pod. |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 29, 2009 13:40:37 GMT
I wish I had a pound for each time I've heard the mother of some tearway piece of teenage trash threatening everyone on their housing estate blaming the kid's problems on never having had a father figure in their lives. I'd have been mortgage free a long time ago. Well in that case two father figures ought to be better than one and all children who currently do not have a father figure should be whipped off to live with gayers forthwith. |
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Post by Victor Meldrew on Jan 29, 2009 13:41:34 GMT
what we should be doing is ostracising children and parents who do not meet the standard family unit of Mummy and Daddy
We already do on a daily basis. It's that comedy freak show called the Jeremy Kyle show.
Note for US citizens - replace Jeremy Kyle with Jerry Springer.
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Post by evenstar on Jan 29, 2009 13:42:00 GMT
I wish I had a pound for each time I've heard the mother of some tearway piece of teenage trash threatening everyone on their housing estate blaming the kid's problems on never having had a father figure in their lives. I'd have been mortgage free a long time ago. Well in that case two father figures ought to be better than one and all children who currently do not have a father figure should be whipped off to live with gayers forthwith. and it would be the end of bad teenage tracksuit wearing, prada all the way  |
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Post by mids on Jan 29, 2009 13:44:24 GMT
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Post by ricklinc on Jan 29, 2009 13:44:27 GMT
I was brought up in a nearly stable family. As stable as you can get with wops which means that mum and dad were about evenly matched in hand-to-hand stuff but I think dad showed more restraint. I used to get beaten a bit because dad had a Hell of a temper and I used to like winding him up and sh*t happens. He broke a wine jug across the left side of my head when I was 14. That was a strange day. 21 stitches.
I imagine a gay couple being even more dramatic because anything that happens with gays seems to have to involve at least 20% extra drama. This is not just my opinion. Cops are bloody certain of it.
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