Council 'Shut That Door' of a normal life for a ch

[evenstar]

Jan 29, 2009 13:44:27 GMT ricklinc said:

. He broke a wine jug across the left side of my head when I was 14. That was a strange day. 21 stitches.
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Ah that explains a lot

[VikingHumpingWitch]

See thing is Rick, there are those who would argue that beating your children is incredibly damaging and should be illegal. There are probably people who think it's even worse than having them brought up by a couple of blokes.

[Deleted]

Lol,Sorry Mids, you'll have to go look for one.

[Victor Meldrew]

there are those who would argue that beating your children is incredibly damaging and should be illegal. There are probably people who think it's even worse than having them brought up by a couple of blokes.

And then there's the majority who would think that neither should be allowed.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

I am making the point that things which have been done for centuries, such as disciplining children by use of physical violence, are not necessarily Best just because we've been doing them for centuries.

More to the point though, until someone can demonstrate a reason why there must be a woman in the house otherwise the child is damaged, there's not really a discussion to be had.

[Victor Meldrew]

until someone can demonstrate a reason why there must be a woman in the house otherwise the child is damaged, there's not really a discussion to be had.

You expect a child to do their own washing up after a meal? Now that really is cruelty.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Hell yeah! I had to if I wanted to extract anything resembling pocket money out of my mum, don't see why anyone should get an easier ride than I do. And the pregnant dog extended "washing up" to "cleaning the stove top" on a whim.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Well the teenage pregnancy option is gone for good.

[vania]

Jan 29, 2009 13:36:13 GMT @evenstar said:

So how many of us come from this 'idea family' type stucture ?

Not me. I am from the inferior teenage/single/unmarried/step-parent model.

I have managed to avoid the inevitable life of criminality, drug addiction, depression, commitment phobia, teenage pregnancy (etc.) thus far, but I am sure things will change...

[dwad]

Jan 29, 2009 13:37:00 GMT VikingHumpingWitch said:

Absolutely Dwad, what we should be doing is ostracising children and parents who do not meet the standard family unit of Mummy and Daddy. That would clearly be a far better option than this dangerous nonsense of accepting it happens and people get over it.

Yes, yes. That's exactly what I said.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Well if you don't like this acceptance stuff what alternative do you have?

[dwad]

Jan 29, 2009 14:52:39 GMT VikingHumpingWitch said:

Well if you don't like this acceptance stuff what alternative do you have?

There is a world of difference between accepting what happens and actively seeking the same circumstance.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Hang on, you're mixing up gay couple parents and single parents. I don't think anyone is actively seeking single parents because pretty much everyone recognises that it'll be easier to cope with a spawn if you have someone to help.

[dwad]

Jan 29, 2009 15:10:05 GMT VikingHumpingWitch said:

Hang on, you're mixing up gay couple parents and single parents. I don't think anyone is actively seeking single parents because pretty much everyone recognises that it'll be easier to cope with a spawn if you have someone to help.

[Aside from mixing up what's good for the parents with what's good for the spawn]

So why would you seek a family without a mother or father figure when pretty much everybody recognises the benefits of one of each?

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Well for a start, nobody has so much as offered a reason why a woman is necessary (beyond "someone to do the washing up" which I don't think was meant seriously anyway). Just because everybody thinks it is best based on a lack of any evidence doesn't mean I have to buy it.

[dwad]

Jan 29, 2009 15:22:56 GMT VikingHumpingWitch said:

Well for a start, nobody has so much as offered a reason why a woman is necessary (beyond "someone to do the washing up" which I don't think was meant seriously anyway). Just because everybody thinks it is best based on a lack of any evidence doesn't mean I have to buy it.

You don't but you are suggesting that we overturn the entire history of the human race's worth of received wisdom about families without any evidence, knowing that some other family structures that we do have through accident or design are to the detriment of the child. Just seems a little hastey.

[Deleted]

Hmmmmm ..... I only drifted onto this thread because I thought it might be about Larry Grayson. Turns out it about a couple of Larrys.

Anyhoo, I not sure that I object to the two gay chaps looking after these children. I am sure they've been vetted and that they'll do their damnedest to be good parents. I dare say the grandparents are worried, but as long as they get regular access, I think they should get on with being good grandparents.

Committed, loving and competent parents and grandparents? Sound like things are on the up and up for these kids.

[Deleted]

Now that is a shock. Up until that point in the report, I had my money on Haringey, Brent, Hackney or Lambeth.


Dunno why - Edinburgh's full of benders .....

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Jan 29, 2009 15:31:22 GMT dwad said:

You don't but you are suggesting that we overturn the entire history of the human race's worth of received wisdom about families without any evidence, knowing that some other family structures that we do have through accident or design are to the detriment of the child. Just seems a little hastey.

I'm suggesting that since nobody not even you can think of a reason we need specifically one of each gender then there probably isn't one. So no problem.

We overturned the entire history of the human race's received wisdom regarding sparing rods and spoiling children. Life goes on.

[dwad]

I'm suggesting that since nobody not even you can think of a reason we need specifically one of each gender then there probably isn't one. So no problem.

Oh, I can think of some, they're just not hugely scientific or known, just received wisdom. Stuff around different persepectives and opinions, relational examples, gender roles, different strengths and so on. I'm not claiming a huge basis of evidence other than human experience, but I'm claiming to overthrow tens of thousands of years of human experience in one generation, without strong cause maybe a little hastey and arrogant. Can't we hold on for a bit longer until we can look in a bit more detail at how these families that have come about by "accident" have evolved.