Michael Jackson says ok to .... etc. etc

[cathy]

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From: Columbo Sent: 04/02/2003 12:24

I think we all have to realise and accept that somewhere in M J's mind he is very much the child he was never allowed to be and just as a child would think nothing of a sleep-over with their friends ...neither does he. If he wants to try and be that child now surely he should be allowed to. I'm 30 and don't think I shall ever grow up. We all need to know where to draw the line and that comes from understanding the people we spend our lives with and our past experiences. I was saddened by what I saw in the programme. The man needs to find some peace and happiness in his life.

Take care people! xxx


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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 12:24

No idea, was 130 a while ago - soz we all workin in here at the same time, guess someone else took it off first


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From: Sim123 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:24

Is there anyone who is able to answer my question are those 3 kids his own are adopted!



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From: hez Sent: 04/02/2003 12:25

i totally agree if he had sex then ok maybe we could judge him but for gods sake it was made clear he was on the floor. if its such a big deal why bother michael its the parents of the children that should be looked on its them allowing the children to stop the night. he sounds totally harmless to me too,why cant people just let him live his life what hes doin is a decent thing we need to encourage caring for people not teach that it is wrong. hes a legend no matter what!

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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 12:26

Posting guidelines:

Don't copy whole articles from other sources, make your point in your own words and back it up with a couple of sentences and a link to the news story.

Don't poke fun at grammar and spelling - English may not be a member's first language, or they may be dyslexic.

Do scan the messageboards to see if the subject you wish to raise is already being discussed.


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From: red__anchor Sent: 04/02/2003 12:26

Can any of you Michael jackson fanatics explain why it is ok for him to ever be in bed with children who are not his own?

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From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 12:26

His own.

What I cannot understand is why they aren't half cast if they are his? Surely the skin pigmentation disease?


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From: elouise Sent: 04/02/2003 12:26

I am dyslexic so I do appologize for my spelling however I am not thick and have a 2:1 to prove it, also I dont recall writing anything about guns.


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From: Miss_Spooky3 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:26

Has everyone forgotten that Debbie is white? And if you live in the UK did you not hear about that white couple who had coloured twins a few years ago?

Genes is something I know very little about, but I do know that they can skip many generations - hence the coloured twins - apparently there was an african G,G,G Grandfather.

My aunt has two kids with a mixed race partner, one is white with brown hair and the other is darker with thick afro hair. You don't both have to be white to produce white kids.


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From: james 11 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:27

I live michael Jackson, hes done more for the music buisness then any other artist.

I cant belive that the only think people say about him now is bad things, so he has had plastic surgery, so have many hollywood stars.

So kids have slept in his bed, i had friends sleep over until is was 19. Just because hes 44 does not mean he only does it for sexual reasons.

Michael is just a really misunderstood person who is trying to help kids whos lives would never have any fun or meaning.


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From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 12:27

SHOUTING IS FUN..WOOOHOO!

[cathy]

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From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 12:27

? Surely the skin pigmentation disease isn't genetic?


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From: Bubblegum Sent: 04/02/2003 12:27

MJ is not a 'normal' person. It is very easy for everyone to have an opinion on him but we have no idea what it is like to be that famous, that talented, that dysfunctional, that rich and frankly, that powerful!

No matter which way you look at it, his world is insane.

Abuse, unhappy childhood, controlled by a viscious and brutal man like his father can't have been fun.........He thinks it is OK to get in to bed with kids when it is nothing sexual - fine but he's 44 years old how do you know it's not when he has already lied throughout the programme? Children need boundaries, you can show them love without having to sleep with them. MJ uses his power to get what HE wants

I feel pity for MJ but not too much, he isn't stupid and as for the programme's claim of seeing him in a way we've never seen him before was frankly crap. What was so compelling about a go-kart race and hotel rooms and a shopping spree? My favorite part was the disadvantaged kids trip to Neverland which was touching, although all of the children were black; if it was the other way around and all white children something would have been said - but what the hell you can't crtiticise such a wonderful, kindly gift as that although the programme left you wondering if there were seedy undertones. What was compelling was simply the fact that the world can not get enough of Michael Jackson in any shape or form.

P.S. To the disparaging comments about grammar etc...patronising and ignorant, some people have dyslexia or aren't as literate as others - doesn't make their opinion worth any less


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From: HCD Sent: 04/02/2003 12:27

He clearly has missed out on childhood altogether, he is only acting out his childhood now, this is what children do, they stay over each others houses, in his mind he thinks he is a child

Rich


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From: sexii_vanilla Sent: 04/02/2003 12:28

I feel that micheal had a sad chldhood and thru abuse from his father and work presures at a young age infact had no childhood at all. now he is living his childhood altho a man of 44, yes he mat be essentric but where does normality begin and end! he has a lot of love and respect for childern. In this age and society its a sad fact that if you see a chld hurt or indistress you are better to walk away because if the child is not kin all sorts of acusations may be made its a sad fact that people are always on thew warey side now.... where has the love and compassion gone, why does sex have to be brought into the equasion everytime. Let the mad have his childhood regardless of his age okay he may be a biscuit or 2 short of a pckt but all the press and media have ever had against him is mere speculation as Mr Jackson said himself... the children need love, there is not enough love in the world

cherry-pixie



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From: Quiet-Tj Sent: 04/02/2003 12:29

In watching the interview it is quite plain o see that Michael remains a child even though he is a 44yrs old. Listening to him you can see that his head is full of "childish ideals" so its only understandable that his views will be as they are. The reason people have a problem with that is that society has been perverted in some way that we do not allow for close relationships between children and adults without fearing for the child's well-being. Leave Michael be.



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From: Nilliag Sent: 04/02/2003 12:29

Sorry, but what did we expect last night? We all know MJ is a freak.
Okay, so he was abused as a child. So are other millions of people and they haven't turned out like he has.
He has the mental capacity of a ten year old, how can he look after 3 kids?
Well, with the help of his staff I imagine but if that was any other parent in any other country, the children would be removed from the house, wouldn't they? So it's okay for kids to stay with him just because he's Michael Jackson? I don't think so.
He said when he grabbed his 2nd child after just being born, "They said it was okay, Debbie said it was okay....". Uh-huh and if they told him it was okay to kill someone, would he do it? He cannot think for himself, he is not a man, he is a boy.




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From: Manny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:29

To my knowledge they were conceived by serrogate mothers. The third woman cannot be disclosed as she didn't want anyone to know. She also wasn't white


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From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 12:29

Genes can skip generations and black kids can be born to white parents (and vice versa)

However there is little or no evidence to suggest Michael has white genes in him and if there are it would be possible for possibly one child to come out all white but mathematically impossible for 3 to come out white.


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From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 12:29

Wonder where that glittery glove has been in it's time?


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From: CFB Sent: 04/02/2003 12:30

The man is pathetic, his music career is over and he’s doing what he can to stay in the limelight – he then has the audacity to declare his contempt for media attention. There should be no doubt – his children should be removed from his care.


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From: SillySlappper Sent: 04/02/2003 12:30

I'm going to bed and I hope I don't have any nightmares.


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From: nexus6_____ Sent: 04/02/2003 12:30

glittery glove

did he borrow it from Gary?



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[cathy]

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From: Sim123 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:32

Thank u TJI at least one person is getting what i am writting!


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From: Prudie Sent: 04/02/2003 12:33

Better to be a 'Has been' than a never has been


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From: Matrix83 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:33

I think Michael Jackson is completely innocent. He really is a child at heart. Martin Bashir needs to understand this. Here's a fact that not a lot of people know about: Everybody knows that a kid accused Michael Jackson of sexual abuse. What they don't know is that the kid's father knew MJ and asked him for some money to make some kinda movie. MJ refused. The rest is history, the kid spends a night at MJ's house and bam... there are the accusations. How does the story end? MJ pays them off. You decide who's wrong and who's not!!

Why don't people listen to what he says. Everybody makes up thier own mind about him. The man said that he slept on the floor and gave the bed to the kid who was dying of cancer. Imagine, the King of Pop, Michael Jackson, sleeps on the floor to make a dying kid happy. He treasures the values of love. Think about it, if you had a child who was dying of cancer, would you let a 44 year-old man abuse him. I mean come on... It's obvious that they are just like good friends. MJ may be 44, but he is only a kid in his mind.

He said a lot of true things about the world today which were simply ignored. Isn't it true that a lot of families don't have a proper meal together anymore?

Did you see how he treated his fans? Compare him to other 'pop stars' today whose ego tears up a donkey's ass!!

One final thing about Martin Bashir: his way of speaking with MJ was disgraceful. It was as if he is trying to humiliate him or something.


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From: LarryTheLamb Sent: 04/02/2003 12:33

Maybe the guy was a bit silly saying anything in the first place -- surely he should know that the media would only report things in a 'juicy news' manner because he is so well known?
Seems we should really remember that is how the media does things, and we should treat what we read accordingly!

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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 12:34

reminder this is a G rated group

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From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:34

Martin Bashir is a journalist. He would not be doing his job properly if he didn't ask searching questions. What would you want? An Oprah style sycophantic job? People want to know about his face, his children, his overnighters with young children. Those questions have to be asked by any responsible journalist. I'm glad he asked them ... not so happy about the answers tho.


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From: stenjay Sent: 04/02/2003 12:35

The guy has a mind of a child so he is probably harmless though we will never know for sure. The way he told lies about his face and his shy evasive manner to some of the questioning (especially about girls and sex) reminded me of a ten year old boy.

If he was just a normal guy in the street like me he would undoubtedly be under the the watchful eye of a social worker and the local pschiatric hospital or probably in jail whether he is innocent or not..


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From: KEBABISH Sent: 04/02/2003 12:35


Many people are too quick to judge others and assume the worse.

I personally think that if MJ had abused that boy in 1993, his parents would
not have settled for the cash but ensured that this so called monster was
punished for what he had done.

I believe MJ is genuinely very insecure and he seems to only see the good
that his actions are bringing rather than the ignorant comments they may
bring.

I wish him all the best and may he continue to bring happiness to the less
fortunate.


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From: Northern Lad Sent: 04/02/2003 12:36

As a father of 2 small children, I was deeply disturbed by Michael Jacksons bizzarre view of parenting. As an artist, I have nothing but admiration for his work, however as a person, I wouldnt trust him with my pet fish let alone my children. Too many people are blinded by the aura of money/talent/status and are too willing to overlook behaviour which is quite clearly disturbing.
After watching the Martin Bashir interview I came away with 2 clear feelings - (1)Michael Jackson needs serious psycological advice and support to help him overcome the deep emotional scarring inflicted upon him by his past (2) Someone needs to step in and take a responsible role regarding 'His' children, or the danger exists that he will create 3 more individuals each with equally disturbed and maladjusted childhood's to his own.
To use the example of Elvis Presley, who died through excessive sustance abuse and overeating due to the lack of anyone close to him being responsible and giving him the reality check he needed, through fear of being cut from the inner 'money-circle'. Michael need a similar voice of reason to make him see how the world really is outside his neverland mind.


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From: joey123 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:37

i agree after all look at jade Goody claims she has a black father as does Ryan giggs. even if they are not his own kids whats so abnormal about adopting children everyone is so quick to judge anyone who has a life like michael is bound to wind up a little eccentric. he is famous for his music and talent and should be allowed to live his private life the way he wants! there are many other children who are much worse off and in danger every day than michael jacksons children

fiona


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From: pervojacko Sent: 04/02/2003 12:37

A few of youe have said......" what's wrong with your children sharing your bed" well absolutely nothing, but c'mon the 12 year old is not his would any parent out therelet there 12 yr old sleep in an adults bed??? i don't think so!!!!! so someone plz somewhere help these poor kids who will be traumatised in later years. Or is that what the parents think so they can get a healthy payout?.

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From: Paul_uk Sent: 04/02/2003 12:37

So' Michaels Known as ""Whacko Jacko" by the jelous Adult world. One of the first questions the dumb *** presenter asked micheal was "How Rich Are you" pushed it even further, then mentioned billionare.

A kid getting off his Neverland Steam Train, asked if he could ride "on any of his fairground rides"

Michael INVITED the presenter into HIS HOME. He was rude and abusive to Micheal.

You can't force laughter and smiles from anyone. It's no wonder MJ as never grown up and feels his best around kids. Adults just see dollar signs. Kids see him as the great kind guy he is.

Sure Michaels got problems, but no wonder, his father used to beat the crap out of him. All adults want is his money.

And what about the smile on little Gavins face, the boy who had cancer, it's obvious he wasn't cured by just the love and attention of a superstar, more like treatment using MJ's unlimited dollars. A job the American Goverment should of paid for from tax. But obviously paying for wars is more important to them.

MJ, is truly one in a billion. Leave the guy alone. He needs friends like anyone else, and true friends are loyal. Thats why he prefers kids, because unlike adults who will try and get as much out of him as possible, all kids want is fun.


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From: JadeReal33 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:38

I just want to ask a couple of questions and then state a couple of things. what we need to ask ourselves is what is wrong with having sleepovers at that age? And then again what is wrong with trully believing that you can be a child, and acting like one when alone(ie climbing trees)? what I believe to do is look at the situation as objectively as possible, and without any form of bias(because I know I wasnt blind but that reporter sure had it).The problem with society and today is that we tend to judge a person and place as "weird" if he/she doesnt conform with what is "apporpriate", what should be the norm when you are a certain age. The question we need to ask is who are we to say that Micheal Jackson is weird to be climbing trees well over his 40s. Who are we to place it under the discription as a sickness, because he was abused when a child. It makes him special, when he isnt. He's just human. As far as I am concerned I feel the general public, especially the British Press(the arogant fools!!!) have gone too far. Everything he does is under scrutiny, any thing he says is weird and "disturbing"(as that narrow minded reporter put it so eloquently). No body in this earth has been placed the highest order from above to state what is normal or not. I believe that when Michael Jackson was talking about this world needing love, he trully knew what he was saying. Which celebrity do you know openly welcomes children to spend a magical day at their mansion all expenses paid and free?? I dont believe there is one out there. Not that I am saying that charity does not work, but people donate and give back to the world in their own ways-this is Michael's way.
And about the sleep over(cause I can hear you people just itching about it), as yourself this. That cancer boy, he sleeps over at Michael's bed, with his brother and sis. The parents know about it, has it been stopped-NO!!!! It would if something fishy was going on right, but it hasnt. Even the Mc Culkin family children used to go over for numerous sleep overs and it was all taped. Did the parents stop it-NO!!Please jsut stop and think about what I believe was the main reason for that interview. To make Michael look like a sycho. Constantly that reporter did not refer to those sleepovers as "Sleepovers", but as "they were sleeping in YOUR BED". Not once did he acknowledge that Michael slept on the FLOOR.
I'm tired of saying this but the british press is the most selfish press I know, and if you were actually swayed in their direction(that MJ is weird)then I pity you because you trully have not discovered the great danger of possessing a narrow mind.


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From: HELLSNOANGEL Sent: 04/02/2003 12:38

I say again to those of you who say that Michael is a child at heart.

Parent or child?

You can't be both Michael.

Even teenage parents have to grow up quick!

[cathy]

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From: Barnip Sent: 04/02/2003 12:38

Okay, he's pretty messed up. Let's say he's innocent, and it's just coz he genuinely loves all kids in a fairy tale way... fair enough then, he's doing nothing wrong. What about the parents that let their kids share a bed with a 44 year old man, and even the parents that just let their kids play with him during the day? I saw no parents around to keep an eye on what he was up to. Anyone who lets their kids sleep with an adult, no matter how much they think of him, is a dangerous criminal in my eyes. MJ may think it's fine, but that's gonna mess those kids up. How many other adults do their parents let them sleep with?

Food for thought, aint it?


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From: pregnant dog# Sent: 04/02/2003 12:38

i dnt agree that he is a washed up has been. MJ is brill. He did not have to
invite us in to his life jst to get people bad mouthing him. It is hard
anough life for him as it is with out the ignorance of people. He is jst
miss understood


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From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:39

Yes ... but is he a 44 year old man child of 12 .... or a parent of 3 children? He can't do both


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From: Mids Sent: 04/02/2003 12:39

Pandy if you dont get an MSN Special Commendation after this there's no justice.


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From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:39

sorry ... I should have said ... a good responsible parent of 3 children


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From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:40

and sorry again ... everyone's posting so quickly ...


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From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 12:40

This thread is a classic!! I'm gonna prolapse with laughter!!


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From: *Satine* Sent: 04/02/2003 12:40

I personally think that if MJ had abused that boy in 1993, his parents would
not have settled for the cash but ensured that this so called monster was
punished for what he had done.


Well you can't say that as you don't know his parents! It is just possible that the huge amount of money offered was too much for those parents to resist.

And put it this way - they were facing a court battle against one of the richest men in America. Maybe they (a) didn't have the money they thought they would need for their own lawyers and (b) didn't want to put their child through the trauma of giving evidence.

If MJ wasn't guilty then why offer a pay-off at all? Why try to buy someone's silence if you have nothing to hide? Hmmm.


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From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:40


He wasn't rude and abusive ... he was asking questions ... how many more times!


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From: Loque Sent: 04/02/2003 12:40

hello


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From: Tashaleigh Sent: 04/02/2003 12:41

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what and 2 young boys in a bed isnt even more seedy!!!


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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 12:42

Pandy if you dont get an MSN Special Commendation after this there's no justice.

thats commendation enough for me ta Mids, but we ALL been working in here anyway, not just myself.


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From: bonniexuk Sent: 04/02/2003 12:42

It is NOT ok for children to be put in this position they have no understanding of the implications. Michael Jackson should tell them they have to go to bed in their own room not say yes ok then!! I would feel very uneasy about myself if my parents had allowed me to sleep in any adults bed as a child other than their own even more so aged 10 or above. If we were talking about a man down the street doing this we would have him investigated.

I dont think we can really believe what this man says after all he still believes he has only had two operations on his face!!

I for one would not trust mine or anyone elses child to his care.

[cathy]

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From: vera Sent: 04/02/2003 12:42

No way, this means that he ( jackson ) needs guidance and counselling. After watching yesterday special show I was left sad and micheal ceased to be an idol i used to know . I am a black man but i don't yet know how he got to change to white. Yet something funny is that even his semen is now WHITE ...no way i recommend ITV to go back and try and help micheal and the kids


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From: Mids Sent: 04/02/2003 12:43

Oh ok then. the rest of ya.


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From: Loque Sent: 04/02/2003 12:43

i think the same he got his childe life taken away so he is making sure all the other kids dont have theres taken away coz he nos how much it herts and when he has kids stoping over he is making up for old times when he couldnt hav people stoping over what do u think


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From: Manny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:44

Lenny

I agree totally. Martin Bashir is a highly recognised journalist in his field and I thought he did a superb job last night. Can you imagine the time and effort and planning it took to get to MJ.

A job well done !

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From: bukky007 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:44

red anchor: HE DOESN'T SLEEP WITH THEM IN THE SAME BED, BUT IN THE SAME ROOM!! r u sure u watched yesterday's show


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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 12:44

TY on behalf of us all

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From: Chumary Sent: 04/02/2003 12:45

Please !!! What a way to warp things. Leave MJ alone,he´s doing nothing. The global opinion would change if those kids had any dissease, wouldn´t it? Everyone is so Bad. I just came back from Canada and I was playing with 3 of my friends children and you know what? It was so warm inside they took their clother off!! but They were playing, I told them to put them back and they didn´t. If I was seen by a man like you, I would be in trouble, if I was rich then YOUR Bad inside would warp it all. Please, Think positive !! I feel sorry for MJ , no wondering he doesn´t sing now , he must have received such a rotten impresion from all this world.


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From: zoomee Sent: 04/02/2003 12:45

You people are sick - OK fair do's he's the king of pop whos been accused of everything you can think of - but honestly - Surely this is just a great media ploy to mess things up for him - Am sure he's trying to sue Sony aint he?

He's messed up his own face cus of his father-ish looks - That I must agree, but can u imagine how much pressure would be on you if you were the undisputed 'king of pop'. - All your words get twisted.
This world we live in is just soo messed up - like someone said earlier, that even people who try to be kind to kids get it bad.


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From: elouise Sent: 04/02/2003 12:46

mybee he paid them off as he wanted it all to stop. Also the perants sold there stories to enough people to aford the court case they justed wanted the money and idiots like you fell for the bad press and know concure with out evidence that the man is guilty.

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From: red__anchor Sent: 04/02/2003 12:46

bukky007,

No I didnt watch the show about Jackson, and yet I still have an opinion on him. what a crazy world we live in eh?!


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From: eyitee Sent: 04/02/2003 12:47

Much as i love MJ from way back, i hate to admit that this sort of assertion from him stinks of serious perversion, especially considering the fact that it has been suggested severally that he might be demented, now i have no choice but to join others in saying he's wacko, or why else would one want to get into bed with kids, why........beats me


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From: Arahbella Sent: 04/02/2003 12:47

Should we lets kids play with guns as long as we watch and we're responsible? NO!!!

Sadly enough Americans do do just that.. being from America I guess I would know

The bottom line is that the man is clearly insane and as such should be treated no differently to anyone else suffering from a similar condition, he should be sectioned and his children placed into care, whilst he does not appear to be a dangerous man he cannot be subject to separate laws because of his financial and celebrity status

I agree 100% with this statement

So you would go out of your way to prove sexual interferance against a normal, everyday Joe but Michael Jackson you will go by tabloid gossip?

Who needs a justice system with you around!?

Tabloid gossip? It was a lot more then the tabloids it was THREE small boys crying in the camera and stating they were abused and a 40 ish year old man paying, and rather quickly, a LARGE sum of cash to shut these little boys up so he would not have to face the court system. It was and is watching the man in the news and seeing the weird things he does with not just his own but others childrens as well. It is seeing him do the VERY things that were done to me when we were not behind closed doors. Unless you yourself have been there you would not know. I know you can have a child in your bed and not have sexual thought my boy would often climb into my bed when he was a baby to snuggle and sleep the key being MY boy not my neighbors or some schmuck who has agreed to let me have their child spend the night at my house. Also he does not trust his nanny but he lets other friends alone with his kids. Regardless of your thoughts mine will stay the same. Unfortunately I don't know him really other then what is in the media and listening to HIM.. he sounds almost identical to the one man I have spoken to and had jailed for the very same thing... He supposedly was sleeping with his daughter perfectly innocently too. Just like he had done with me.. Was only letting her sleep in his bed, was not touching her course he kicked his own wife out of his bed but hey that's normal. MJ is an amazing talent with a lot of issues. He needs therapy and he needs someone around him to say THAT'S not right... But noone will because as stated in the other posts, all people see is the money and not the person. He has the money to copver anything he does and he has people like you who do not know him either and decide they do know he is perfectly innocent and sane. The man cannot even be honest about something as obvious as plastic surgery. He LIES to the public about something as simple as having his skin bleached and yet you sit there and eat it all up when he says No I didn't sexually molest any of those children I am not like that I am just a poor defenseless 44 year old who LIKES to play with children and have them sleeping in my bed and holding their hands is ok because they are my friends. Bet you believe his nose naturally changed shape.. just like his eyes and his cheekbones and his lips and his forehead and his hair and his skin..and his etc etc etc...

Oh and for the English Lass with the grammer and spelling issues.. I see you know how to use an internet spell checker is an amazing thing you should try it. I get lots of slack for being an American and spelling things without the extra U and slaying the English language because I say Aluminum and not aluminium but I will be hogtied if I EVER spell as poorly as you do.

LoL no more comments from me I bared my soul and shared my opinion. The US is a mighty screwed up place and lots of bad things happen to good people but I honestly believe MJ's persecution is brought about because of his own actions. He has made his perverbial bad and now he needs to lie in it and accept responsibilty for who he is and what he does. Screwing up his kids lives by making them wear masks in public.. almost as bad as his father beating him.. Still going to leave scars and trauma and still stealing their childhood whether he believes it or not.

[cathy]

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From: jane69 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:47

I think Micheal Jackson gave a well presented interview some of the
emarrsment he had reminded me he still has a mind of a young lad but I dont
think he has ever abused children he answered questions quite well!


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From: loopylou29 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:47

I do not believe micheal jackson abuse"s children as with the claim ten years ago if micheal had abused that boy why did he settle out of court, if you are abused by someone famous or not you take them to court to have them put away not to gain money!! Micheal Jackson has not grown up and l feel that is his fathers thought in his eyes children are not cruel just innocent, on the other hand though l think he needs help from someone, also where were his adult friends does he have any???


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From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 12:47

Where the hell is Omni...he'd be brilliant on this thread!!


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From: katmcd Sent: 04/02/2003 12:48

i think he's half freak and half mis understood

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From: Rockers Sent: 04/02/2003 12:48

yeah, where is old Clothie when we need him!!!


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From: Carole2512 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:49

I'm not sure about the interview. Michael DID apparently lie about the cosmetic surgery, however, he made a very valid point when he said that cosmetic surgery wasn't invented simply for Michael Jackson (anyone remember Cher?). What he does with his own life is his own business. I hate the way celebrities are hounded, but we must collectively accept part of the blame. If we weren't so avid to read sensationalism, then there would be no need for it.

To get back to the kids, I see Michael as very much still a child, evidenced by his responses to some of the more probing questions. He has never been allowed a normal childhood, and this is being perpetuated in his own children. Most of us are fortunate to have been brought up "normally", and not living in a goldfish bowl. Inevitably his children are doomed to a life completely divorced from reality, however possibly no more so than the children of most celebrities. If Michael has the ability in some small way to touch children with love (metaphorically speaking), who are we, in our arrogance, to decry him or to deny him or the children this. OK - some of the things he said in the interview were inane in the extreme, but merely points out to the world how he has never actually grown up. This in itself brings into question his fitness for parenting, however just because someone doesn't live up to my idea of "normal" doesn't mean I have the right to condemn.

In saying that, I know in 1993 there were allegations made - that's all they were - allegations. As a parent, if I were convinced someone had assaulted either of my kids, then I would not be content until I had seen the perpetrator get what s/he deserved! I would be shocked to learn that a parent had put a cash settlement above his/her child's wellbeing. Michael, in the position he is in, however, should pay more attention to how other people might view his actions, and at least take steps to avoid any further allegations. His intentions might well be honourable, indeed there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.



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From: Blue_Ted Sent: 04/02/2003 12:49

"Taxi for whacko Jacko fans"

Time for bed in Neverland.


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From: Darf Sent: 04/02/2003 12:49

Has anyone spotted yet, that as the plastic surgery has gone on, his hits have become fewer. Hmmm, wonder if there's any link. Or maybe he was just a talentless tw@t all along. There is no way on earth I'd let him near my kids. Lock the freak up before he harms himself or some poor child.
Imagine what happens when those kids get older - "Happy Birthday Blanket (whaaaatttt???) I've bought you some new cheekbones, a total hair transplant, some new ears, an oxygen convertor for your lungs and an artificial spleen. Oh and here's some anti-growth hormones so you can stay a child forever and be my best mate.
I really hope he doesnt die early, or its gonna be Elvis/Monroe/Curbain all over again. Talentless, hopeless cases that become idols.
I'll step down off my soap box now ...


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From: ChrisE6 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:50

Michael struck me as a very sad and disturbed individual. However I think it is niave of him to think that it is ok for children to sleep in his room. I feel that he has become stuck in that place because the "adult" world scares him too much to allow him to face up to real responsibilities. I agree with the person who said that he needed some real phsycological help to get him over his past. I certainly hope he does because lets face it he has a lot of love to give but it needs to be given in a more appropriate manner.


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From: snail Sent: 04/02/2003 12:51

I'm not in total agreeance with what he is doing. But, we all relate to the size of our double beds, and that would be a tight squeeze. He probably has a bed the size of our bedrooms, you wouldn't know if someone was sleeping in the other corner. give the man a chance, he is whacko but innocent until proven guilty.


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From: Blue_Ted Sent: 04/02/2003 12:51

Anyone else sick of reading things like this

I see Michael as very much still a child,


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From: bukky007 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:51

gosh people.. why can't u just make up ur own mind about things.. seems, u just gotta join the crowd though eh.. meaning, u'll listen 2 every crap u're told!!


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From: Manny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:52

disturbing...

[cathy]

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From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:52

I feel very proud at being present at the birth of a new word: agreeance ... marvellous


(1 recommendation so far) Message 378 of 1186 in Discussion

From: dj daisy Sent: 04/02/2003 12:52

hi ya

we watched the show and we think that jacko is wacko

pls reply now


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From: Bubbs Sent: 04/02/2003 12:52

Micheal Jackson in my opinion is a very lonely person and by that I don't mean by that he is isolated I mean that he has no-one that he can really communicate with and this comes across in the way that he is. I dont believe for a second that he abuses children I honestly think that he just loves them and in a wierd way wants to be one again. He certainly does have mental issues but he's not a pervert.

If the twelve year old boys parents don't seem to mind that their son is staying at Jacksons then why should anybody else? Its not our place to say, their not my kids and their not yours. In reply to a comment (which I couldnt find again!) about the 13 year old boy from the abuse allegation.... a responsible and loving parent would have persusued that case and made sure that justice was brought to Jackson instead of accepting money which makes me strongly believe that the parents and that child (which by the way you hear NOTHING of since) made the whole story up for money purposes. Anyone who sees it any different lives in a fantasy world cuz thats real life people. Sick but true !


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From: ClaraCluck Sent: 04/02/2003 12:53

Some punctuation might clarify the point you're trying to make!


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From: bukky007 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:53

what gives people the right to call some1 wacko if they don't even know him?!


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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 12:54

Please dont use this forum to insult other members


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From: debola (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 12:47

i could'nt beleave that as soon as i put the news on this morning how they were jumping to conclusion. why cant they leave him alone. or do some kind of test on him. im sure there are ways of finding things out if he has any sexual contact with children. at the end of the day its only michael jackson who knows. no one should judge him if nothing is going to be done about it. thanks


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From: red__anchor Sent: 04/02/2003 12:55

Bukky,

What gives you the right to defend him when you dont even know him?


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From: Barnip Sent: 04/02/2003 12:55

Whether he wants to share a bed with kids, play with them all day etc and whether he wants to "Go further" should never have had the chance to become an issue. I hope he doesn't pork em, but their parents should be strung up by the balls for giving him the chance to!



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From: Rockers Sent: 04/02/2003 12:55

wibble


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From: chimp@acallcentre(bored) Sent: 04/02/2003 12:56

Michael Mouse, uh, Jackson i mean, probably isn't a paedophile. He is, however, undeniably emotionally subnormal. So why would any parent take the risk? He May not even be completely stable.
I was abused as a child. I spent a lot of my childhood sitting on my own in a dark frikkin' room writing lines for my mother's jealous boyfriend. Do I sleep with children as a result? No. I get on with my life like anyone else(normal) would. I only sleep with my girlfriend and certainly would not allow my children to share a bed with someone who has such demons in his head as Jacko has. Even if he doesn't abuse them, they still get the impression that it's ok to get into an adult stranger's bed. Is that a good message to send out?


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From: jane69 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:56

Hi there, I totally agree with you I think every1 has no indivallality they
have to agree with every 1 else! I watched the documentry and thought he
came acrossed a well sweet man!!


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From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:56

This is a news board ... for opinions?

[cathy]

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From: elouise Sent: 04/02/2003 12:56

I would use a spell check if there was one, but as there isn't tuff as I still have the right to express my point of view and with as many predjudice people as you out there no wonder MJ dosn't have any adult friends. Also as Amarica not an old country and you speak our language it's hardly my fault if you spell thing's differenty is it. If it is hang me now.


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From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 12:57

Lets put him in a cage and prod him with sticks.

"look mummy! look at the funny man dancing!!"


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From: Barnip Sent: 04/02/2003 12:58

Thanx Gnu fiddler, that's the first sensible idea I've heard all day!


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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 12:58

Posting guidelines:

Don't copy whole articles from other sources, make your point in your own words and back it up with a couple of sentences and a link to the news story.

Don't poke fun at grammar and spelling - English may not be a member's first language, or they may be dyslexic.

Do scan the messageboards to see if the subject you wish to raise is already being discussed.


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From: Manny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:58

Jane

You really thinks so?? His face was scary to saythe least but I don't think people could take their eyes off him, regardless


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From: ClaraCluck Sent: 04/02/2003 12:58

Michael also lied about the mother of his new baby. Firstly he said that she was a woman that he had a relationship with that didn't want to be named. Then he said she was a surrogate who he had never met, and he was assured that she was physically fit and mentally astute. When Martin Bashir asked him if he would have picked a black mother for his surrogate, he said he would. Martin then pressed that 'Blanket' obviously had a white mother, to which Michael replied "you're wrong". If he'd no idea who the surrogate mother was, how did he know her colour?


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From: bukky007 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:59

red anchor: same here.. what gives u the right to ACCUSE him when u don't know him either?! get it


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From: Rockers Sent: 04/02/2003 13:00

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From: jane69 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:00

Are you saying that I need to use a speel check only the people on here I am
finding quite rude. I left a message about what I thought about micheal
Jackson a nd had a rude lady telling me to get my punchiation correct so she
can go jog on!


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From: Mids Sent: 04/02/2003 13:00

Excellent idea Gnu. If I had a pound for everytime I've put someone in a cage and prodded them with a stick...


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From: Rockers Sent: 04/02/2003 13:00

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From: Fudge69 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:00

I think it's about time people put thier judgement's to one side...
I'm 20 year's of age and still ocasionally share a bed with my 12 year old sister, friends that stay over, and I used to share a bed with my Nan and Grandma before they passed on.
As micheal said, offering a guest the best of everything when they visit.
What's wrong with that???

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From: jane69 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:01


Here here! xxx

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From: Chromodynamix Sent: 04/02/2003 13:01

This must be the fastest running thread I have ever seen.
Also plenty of blood red deletions.
So much controversy so little time


Message 406 of 1186 in Discussion

From: red__anchor Sent: 04/02/2003 13:01

Bukky,

Isnt it true that MJ settled a child abuse case brought against him? yes or no?

[cathy]

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from: doodah Sent: 04/02/2003 13:01

How can you believe anything wacko jacko sez when at first he said that he only ever had one operation - on his beak, then later he said one or maybe two but he cant remember?!?......And spare a thought for the poor pig who lost its ear for the cosmetic enhancement


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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 13:02

ack this is nothing compared to the board after 9/11 chromo


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From: Policecar Sent: 04/02/2003 13:02

I havent time to read 400+ posts so could someone give me a general update on whats happened?


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From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 13:02

Red, I don't think the schools and parents out there would allow children to visit it his home if they thought for one moment he was a danger to their kids.


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From: elouise Sent: 04/02/2003 13:03

yes red


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From: STE DA PIMP Sent: 04/02/2003 13:03

M J is the best he is not a wako he is just different if anythink you r da wako. What is even worse is that you dount even know him so how can u critisize someone you dount know you sad sad person


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From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 13:03

Clara - there is a wonderful invention called "photography". It's really astounding. I hear they can take pictures in colour as well!


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From: snail Sent: 04/02/2003 13:04

nothing!! Just lots of asumptions


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From: jane69 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:04

Umm! are you arguing with me??? I might not of used a speel check but I am
still able to put my point accros!


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From: silky-lady Sent: 04/02/2003 13:04

I totally agree with Satine on this one. Michael Jackson who was one of my teen heroes is a very strange individual indeed.

He talked about protecting his children and in the next breath subjected them to what could have been a very dangerous situation, i.e. the zoo episode. He then when questioned about it..........talked about how much he loved the zoo and what could you do.......blah, blah, blah! Where was his caring or consideration for his children then?

Whilst feeding the baby it was soooooooooo obvious he hadn't a clue.........no parent would bounce a kid around like that when bottle feeding.........unless of course you'd never done it before?

When questioned about 'baby over balcony' episode, he came out with oh well the fans were chanting and he gave such a smug smirk....... he was so pleased with his explanation it was untrue............again I don't even think it registered with him what he had done.

He deny's basically his kids having a mother...........what will they think when they are old enough to appreciate that their father bought and paid for their mothers to disappear?

As regards sleeping with non-related children the mans a total idiot or deluded.............No-one can be that unaware or unconcerned by public perception of such actions.

Everything he said and did reflected his ' I'm Michael Jackson' syndrome...........showing off who and what he could buy.It was one huge act. He didn't show one iota of genuine emotion, not even when 'crying' when discussing his abusive childhood..............his eyes were dry! A health visitor once told me .... and I will say it as most of you feel he's a child anyway..... that you can tell if a child is really upset or having a tantrum (putting it on in other words) by whether they have dry eyes or not!

I'm sorry but everything in that programme worsened my fears about that man. And I feel Martin Bashir questioned him on subjects which needed to be addressed. I don't believe he inferred that Michael was a paedophile but was asking what Michael's thoughts were about the public perception of him as being a possible paedophile based on his actions. There is a difference you know!

Silky.


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From: bukky007 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:06

hell yeah.. wouldn't u.. how else d'u expect some1 who's in the lime light all the time to settle smth like that

[cathy]

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From: Manny Sent: 04/02/2003 13:06

Maybe just a bit more normal than sleeping with 12 year old boys


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From: Barnip Sent: 04/02/2003 13:07

Picture this: let's say a colleague from work, or someone that you know in a vagueish sort of a way, calls you, says "I've been playing with your 12 year old son all day, we've had great fun, we get on dead well. Is it ok if he stays the night? I'll tuck him in nice n cozy, and I know he'll be fine coz I'll be right there in bed with him, givin him hugs and holdin his hand. Go on, he so wants to sleep with me!"

Would you not go round with a gun to get your son back?


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From: ™»»KiŊĝŁ¥₪Ω₪Μάğıč«« Sent: 04/02/2003 13:08

By the looks of it people love to judge,yet if i was to judge what some people bothered to write like "poke him with a stick,look at that man dance in a cage etc".Id say there are worse individuals out there than M.J.
Not to say i felt troubled by the iterview i did,for M.J"s psycological position.
I beleive he is pure at heart and beleives himself to be innocent.He hit the nail on the head about familys in the world we live in today..or is that a cover up you skeptics (i cant spell at the mo!) ask?
I say leave him alone,we will never know the way he feels,and i aint no fan i used to be.
But the interview cut him deeply,it wasnt acting,i just hope the world dosnt destroy him totally...but i sadly think its to late!!!
So what if hes had plastic surgery?
Most stars have...just not to hid degree,i beleive he dosnt want his face to remind himself of the past.
I feel very badly for him,on the children sleeping over..questionable to say the least....in this time of our society.


Message 428 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Jeans Sent: 04/02/2003 13:08

I read your post on Michael, I kinda agree with you, and yeah I think he is terrified of the adult world mainly because of the people in his life. I am doing a popular music degree at the minute so of course michael jackson is a big factor in the history i am studying. Since a kid I have thought he was a revolutionary, he has made a massive effect on the music world and yeah he is a very talented man. However, with the music industry becoming so commercialised in present day why are we as the audience becoming so interested in the lives behind the artists. Mainly because music today is their lives.
What disturbed me last night about the interview was Michael's opinions that God had given him white skin and that he had no mental memory of the plastic surgury he had paid millions for. It could be said that many people in this world will say that God has carried out the impossible for them, curing illnesses and saving lives. However, I found it a serious issue when a grown man says god changed his skin colour. It is a beleif for him and we have no right critisizing i know, yet surely there is some serious mental issues with him to be approached. Why is he not in councelling? Why has no one addressed this obvious mental problem.
Similarly, his children. Are they safe? I beleive he would never deliberately hurt them and he has a tremendous amount of love to give to them. With Michaels money those children can be seen to never have any problems in future life, apart from the masks. At such a young age and being told it is normal to wear a mask will they too grow up to create there own mask like Michael has? Having no other true access to the outside world they are too sheltered and there mental state has to be worried about. He is a capable father, but is he doing the right thing for his children at present, his money will buy temporary happiness and security in life, but there exclusion from the outside world and the fear he teaches them of the public could leave them as unstable as he is in present day.
No matter what his current show showed, he will always be a revolutionary in the music industry. He has made a tremendous impact on the music we listen today and his fans are full of pure devotion.


Message 429 of 1186 in Discussion

From: red__anchor Sent: 04/02/2003 13:08

From: bukky007 Sent: 2/5/2003 12:06 AM
hell yeah.. wouldn't u.. how else d'u expect some1 who's in the lime light all the time to settle smth like that

Only if I was guilty Bukky.


(1 recommendation so far) Message 430 of 1186 in Discussion

From: dare-devil-dave Sent: 04/02/2003 13:08

There is no doubt that we live in a cynical age, where it seems strange to be near children who are not our own without fingers being pointed and a lynch mob being formed outside your house.

I think it is important to realise that Michael Jackson lives in different reality to most of us and watching the documentary last night that seemed plainly obvious. The words 'weird' and 'complete nutter' were probably being mentioned in most houses across the country between 9-11pm yesterday. Afterall who goes in to a shop buying nearly all of it's contents as if it were a challenge.

Also Michael Jackson had the cheek to say that he has only recieved two operations on his face and his outlandish looks has been because it has changed naturally. This had to be a lie. During the documentary he was seen to be embarrassed by a lot of questions. One was the subject of sex and he seemed to talk about it as if he were a little boy confessing to a grown up what he had seen and experienced. The truth is that Michael Jackson is a little boy and he has changed his appearance to try and reflect this to stop the ageing process.

So does he sleep with children? Yes but I feel this is for him to feel and act young. I don't believe that there is anything sexual involved. Is he naieve? Yes and it was clearly difficult for Martin Bashir to understand this despite his efforts. We shouldn't try so hard to accept the way Michael Jackson is because I don't think he really cares. The children seem to love and respect him and he get's something from this but something other than a sexual appetite.



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From: T'moni Sent: 04/02/2003 13:08

real cruelty here is the society (THIS MEANS YOU!!) that makes a man who was born young, anListen people!! the d lives young and happy , forced to live with anger and lonleyness cause u wont keep ur nose out of his bussiness and quit trying to controll him by blaming him for being a freak just cause he is one in many ways. You people are contantly trying to bring somone (who is more) than u down!! some people especially high achievers in multiple areas get to move on to the outer limits of life and become freaks in their own unusual way, in order to survive them selves. (sa far as the kids)..... mothers how long has your baby been sleeping with you over due?? keeps coming back in the middle of the night huh?? saying he or she is scared and bla bla bla... if the kids friend was over would you say to your child ok honey climb in the bed with mommy and daddy but ur friends has to stay on his own? dont even try to lie to that question. anyways................ which we dont know that was........ If there was any wrong dong with the kids, then he certainly has paid for his mistakes and are not doing the same mistakes again. also on othe r levels of weirdness, he would be no worse than the wierd person inside of u! look at u? now remember the gay thoughts u had? hmmmm, how about the thought of being somthings, or sticking somethings where it doesnt belong, in fantasy that you would never or ever let us know!!? hmmm im sure its deeper that u talk about here on the net. I dont care how long ago it was or wheather you did it or not you freak!!!!! ur weird too...
point is, love is needed in the world. unddrstanding is one way to love your neibor who is trying to love you. this is possibly the only weapon that we have to fight president: blair, bush, sadamn husseen, and the rest who want to controll us make us live in a world of hatered and judgement and struggle to get it on when we are suppose to have a laugh in life or do freaky deeky weekends... or just chill but we are suppose to love. you or i have nothing to gain by not loving. on the other hand come to my house tonight and lets stay up all night and chat and bond and agree to love forever , share my room, and whole house,... and see dont you feel good knowing i want you to call me, and vise vera. hell drop in, england aint that far away
001-353- 0877462382 wanna? huh? am i weird? yeay well probabbly........
youre weird if u think this is weird......
anyway u better be cute if ur planning to share my room for a real long time.......hahahah
xx,
T'moni


Message 432 of 1186 in Discussion

From: bukky007 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:08

silky lady: for ur info.. i don't know where u're from.. but some cultures in Africah eg. dangle their babies to keep them calm.. when they're agitated or crying.. & MAYBE U ALSO NOTICED THAT THE BABY STOPPED CRYING AFTER MJ DID HIS BOUNCIN!!


Message 433 of 1186 in Discussion

From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 13:09

Why would I leave my child with someone I "know in a vagueish sort of a way"?


Message 434 of 1186 in Discussion

From: rs_dragon Sent: 04/02/2003 13:09

Hi to you all,

With regards to the Interview, my conclusion is that he was forced to be successful by his abusive farther and he didn't seemed to have experience the normal child hood of a normal child. Now he has broken from that pressured life and he got time and money to do what ever he feels. Because of this his lost child hood has caught up with him. It will take years for him to grow out of it.

Generally to be successful with money you must give up something, weather it's the attention to your family, yourself or other aspects. In Michael’s case, he had to give up his Childhood. So now he can re-live the lost child in him. I think we all should respect his way of life and accept him for the person he is. After all there are other people in the world who live and endanger people in many ways, and Michael is a person who entertained millions in his life time and in the process he had to give up his childhood life. So we should be grateful for the sacrifice he has made and support him in the process.

It’s clearly seemed that Michael Jackson is a BIG KID at heart, After all we have not lived his life, hence we are no way in position to criticise him or his ways.

Thank you,

Rs_dragon



Message 435 of 1186 in Discussion

From: jane69 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:10

You have given good points!!!


Message 436 of 1186 in Discussion

From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 13:10

there wouldn't be enough money in the world to pay me off, if i thought someone interfered with any of my kids.

[cathy]

Message 437 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Tinkerbell1153 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:10

3 words ... Shaken Baby Syndrome !!!


Message 438 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ClaraCluck Sent: 04/02/2003 13:10

TJI - Well they'd only need black and white film for Mr Jackson wouln't they!
I feel sorry for the guy, his head's up his cooloo! Babies as gifts - indeed - I wonder how much he paid for them?


Message 439 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Amazed© Sent: 04/02/2003 13:11

There is a tiny little difference between bouncing a baby and hanging him out from an open window... several stories high.


Message 440 of 1186 in Discussion

From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 13:11

very very good points


Message 441 of 1186 in Discussion

From: barnsleydave Sent: 04/02/2003 13:11

He is literally of the wall !!!


Message 442 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Barnip Sent: 04/02/2003 13:13

Alright, if your bezzie mate wanted to sleep with your little boy, would that be better?

My dad had an affair with his best mates daughter, matter of fact.

I lost all respect for him, but at least he had the decency to wait til she was 25!


Message 443 of 1186 in Discussion

From: NNGirlie Sent: 04/02/2003 13:13

Is it half term?


Message 444 of 1186 in Discussion

From: bukky007 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:13

only if u were guilty?? even if u weren't guilty, u'd still settle it by payin them off.. since that's what they wanted in the 1st place.. if the whole thing really is true, THE PARENTS SHOULD NEVER!! HAVE HAVE EXCEPTED THAT MONEY.. they're just gold diggers using their kid as a bate!!


Message 445 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 13:14

reposting

From: Bopbumble (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 13:12

Hello!


I'm new to this! Not even 2 minutes yet! I'd just like to say if it wasn't Micheal Jackson and it was an every man wanting to help, care & love kids the way he does, would anybody be bothered??

It's because he's famous the press bother him!


Boppy :-D


(1 recommendation so far) Message 446 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Primal_Node Sent: 04/02/2003 13:14

T don't think people are being very fair with Michael Jackson. In the UK (where I live - thank god) you are innocent until proven guilty. All parents make mistakes on how and where to hold children - but they learn by the mistakes they make. His admission that he has children in his bed is no more weird than a boy or girl who creeps into their parents bed on a Sunday Morning. Michael said that no sex took place - until proven otherwise, I don't see why he should be made the scapegoat for the localised craze of "Name the Paedophile" that people seem intent on. A lot of innocent people are getting maimed because they look like, or act like this or that person.


Message 447 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ClaraCluck Sent: 04/02/2003 13:15

Michael trying to feed his baby - not a man at ease with the job. Gawd help the nanny whos nice clothes blanket was gonna puke on after all that jiggling around during his feed.


Message 448 of 1186 in Discussion

From: SkinMan Sent: 04/02/2003 13:15

Let’s be objective!

Remove the Man from the musical talent.

Remove the Man from the enormous financial wealth.

Now what is your opinion of the Man as portrayed on TV?

If I had someone living in my street, with the type of characteristics that I saw and heard last night, my children wouldn’t be allowed any where near him!


Message 449 of 1186 in Discussion

From: clairetur Sent: 04/02/2003 13:15

It's only my opinion but I don't think Michael knows what the real world is like. He says he doesn't read the papers or watch TV. Does he really understand the evils in the world?

I pity Michael, but more so his kids. Michael seems to be trying to make their childhood as different to his as possible but I don't know if masking them in public is a good thing. Michael missed out on friends when he was young but he is now inflicting the same thing on his kids.

It's a tough one to call and having never had to deal with the things he has it is hard to condemn his judgement....?


Message 450 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Blue_Ted Sent: 04/02/2003 13:16

You know I don't know if you realise but I don't think any of you have done your idol any favours with your mass postings today.


Message 451 of 1186 in Discussion

From: TrgBod Sent: 04/02/2003 13:17

It would appear that some people watched the whole of the program and came to intelligent conclusions with the limited evidence provided. Others watched to see how the evil, perverted man lives with himself after all the horror that he has performed in his life, documented so accurately in the worlds newspapers.

Some people believe everything they read, others are beyond that limitation, the only real perversion I saw on the show and after is that in everyone who wishes to accuse Michael having taken innocent comments and judged them on evidence found in other true news stories. Because of the rise in the reporting of paedophiles people are being forced to believe that affection outside of a family is wrong and sick.

Personally I'm jealous of the guy, can afford to create a place that makes him so happy that he doesn't like to leave and the money to make sure his kids will never have to or want to stray too far because they will learn how protected they are from the decaying society. Michael spends his money without remorse on making other children happy, sad that society would find it more acceptable for him to spend it on drugs.

People should leave the guy alone, and if a problem REALLY does occur with a child then I will come in to the light and decent parents will use the full extent of the law.

A 'abnormal' person should not be judged on 'normal' grounds.

[cathy]

Message 452 of 1186 in Discussion

From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 13:17

I dunno..it's made a change from the usual crap.


Message 453 of 1186 in Discussion

From: chas Sent: 04/02/2003 13:17

I am shocked by the inability of allegedly 'intellegent' and 'enlightened' members of our society to appreciate the basic fact that human being are different. What exactly is wrong with what Michael Jackson has done so far? Is he naive or are we just moving goal posts? Why do we call him wacko? He has written the songs and made millions. He has been successful. Those of us that criticise him for doing what he does(and by the way making money and having a large fair ground are still legal) should look at our own lives. He has done nothing wrong! Human beings are different. Are astronauts 'wacko' for wanting to explore? Was the idea of aeroplanes 'wacko'? Was the first person who suggested telephone communications 'wacko'?


(2 recommendations so far) Message 454 of 1186 in Discussion

From: kaps Sent: 04/02/2003 13:17

TrevourG

Whats makes you so sure MJ is clearly a lier, got any proof if for instance taken to court?? Come on people get real!!

We had a 32 year old, single family friend when i was 7, and he was a good friend of mine personally. We played together all the time and Oh yeah i cried to sleep on his Huge bed every night i spent there, and Yeah it was all purely innocent. He slept on the sofa in the same room and it was never anything sexual! Look why dont you look at MJ's positive side of the story rather than how you would like to see things turn out?

What does it matter how many operations he has had?? I could be wrong, but i thought this was a free world where everybody has a right of choice. You obviously
dont allow people to question your choices, or do you? Let alone tell you what they think is the norm.


Message 455 of 1186 in Discussion

From: bukky007 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:18

u're right blue ted.. but isn't it SO MUCH FUN to just reply to some idiotic comments


Message 456 of 1186 in Discussion

From: red__anchor Sent: 04/02/2003 13:18

No Bukky i wouldnt settle. I have already explained that to you. If I was innocent, and a highprofile celebrity like I would consider that clearing my name to be a priority, not sweeping the whole incident under the table with cash. As to the parents taking the settlement, they have already shown poor judgement by allowing their child to stay with Jackson, greedy parents can have their children interferred with as well you know.


Message 457 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Darf Sent: 04/02/2003 13:18

"He has made a tremendous impact on the music we listen today ..."

Thats the most ridiculous comment I've read yet. He has made not one iota of impact on the music industry, rather he has produced a string of pop hits (and lets be honest if Gareth Gates can do it, etc etc) that were no better than the rest of the dreadful dross that calls itself pop music. And if you're trying to tell me that he wrote the lot I'm afraid I'll have to guffaw heartily. An army of brainless fans put him at number one, not talent, he could release 'The Birdy Song' and theyd proclaim it genius.

Cage and sticks is my favourite idea. Well played that man.


Message 458 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 13:18

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Message 459 of 1186 in Discussion

From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 13:18

Barnell, I'd trust my best mates with my life and my children. If the need called for them to sleep in the same bed I would be fine with it.


Message 460 of 1186 in Discussion

From: rs_dragon Sent: 04/02/2003 13:19

Thanks Jane69.


Message 461 of 1186 in Discussion

From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 13:19

There are an awful lot of ways in which you can abuse children, not all necessarily physical or sexual.


Message 462 of 1186 in Discussion

From: silky-lady Sent: 04/02/2003 13:19

Bukky,

Perhaps in some cultures they do...............but I doubt whether they dangle them over a balcony! And fear is a good way of silencing anyone! Correct me if you wish.

Re baby stopping crying ...........it stopped crying once the bottle was in its mouth even though it had half a mouth full of netting. It was more interested in feeding at that point, most babies are at that age


Message 463 of 1186 in Discussion

From: clairetur Sent: 04/02/2003 13:19

Speakeasy,

Kids sleeping in Michaels bed is different - he isn't their Dad. Fair enough kids may sleep in their parents bed occasionally but I wouldn't send my kids to sleep in a strangers bed as a concern-free alternative.

Unfortunately, in the world we live in you can't trust anyone regardless of their fame or fortune. I believe Michael is a kind hearted person and don't think that any inappropriate acts took place but in today's world I don't think the act of sleeping in the bed with the kids was appropriate?

Would you send your young son or daughter to a man to lives alone at the end of your road to stay over?


Message 464 of 1186 in Discussion

From: dreamy Sent: 04/02/2003 13:21

i quite agree with what u are saying Dave !!!!!!


Message 465 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ClaraCluck Sent: 04/02/2003 13:21

Skinman - you're talking sense.


Message 466 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Arahbella Sent: 04/02/2003 13:21

Eloise ... Just want to apologize for the spell checker comment was made before you posted about being dyslexic. I had not thought of that at the time of posting.

[cathy]

Message 467 of 1186 in Discussion

From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 13:21

And what pray would that 'need' be TJI?

MJ does not need to sleep in the same bed as children. He is not a child, he may give them the scope with which to play happy Waltons, but then he should close the door and walk away to his own room happy that the kids are happy. Surely he is aware of public perception as to what his actions are and the fact that he has already been accused of impropriety should mean that he is doubly careful. Whether he has sexually molested children or not ... that is not the issue.


Message 468 of 1186 in Discussion

From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 13:22

He doesn't live alone.


Message 469 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Barnip Sent: 04/02/2003 13:22

Fair enough, I will respect your opinion, but I would be seriously worried about what possible motivation they could have for wanting to sleep with a child. Can't say I've ever had the urge...

I have a stepbrother about that age, and I think the world of him, but I can quite happily say goodnight and wait till morning to see him again.


Message 470 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 13:23

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Message 471 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 13:23

TrgBod - AGREED!! Leave him alone, it's only cos he's famous!!


Message 472 of 1186 in Discussion

From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 13:23

He may be a good person and have the right idea about society being a total mess, but should 3 kids be brought up by someone who thinks he is Peter Pan and will live forever, who can not even admit to himself that he has had his face restructured and who believes anyone who questions him is ignorant?

I think the guy is really talented and I appreciate he had an awful upbringing but he is clearly unstable! He can't seem to relate to adults or talk about anything remotely grown up like relationships for example. How can he bring up well rounded kids who are able to deal with the world today, he won't always be there to cushion them from reality!


Message 473 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ClaraCluck Sent: 04/02/2003 13:23

Right on Silky Lady


Message 474 of 1186 in Discussion

From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 13:24

Living in a 1 bedroom flat
If other rooms are unavaliable (eg flood or destruction)
If the kid won't sleep alone


Message 475 of 1186 in Discussion

From: salfollad Sent: 04/02/2003 13:25

I don't now what to believe, anymore.

maybe he is right,maybe he is telling the truth, or lying who knows???

Message 476 of 1186 in Discussion

From: met14 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:25

Hello all.

I do feel sorry for MJ, as he had a touch childhood, as he was abused, being beaten with a belt if he missed a single dance step by his father. So i can understand why he wants to be with children, to help them have a better life, and not suffer the pain he went through. However, i do believe he has lost his sense of reality, as he disappears to his paradise world that he created (neverland), where he can do whatever he wants. Why are none of his brothers insane like him, if they were beaten and abused more than him? Janet jackson is normal and has not suffered mentally from her upbringing. She looks fine.


Message 477 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Chromodynamix Sent: 04/02/2003 13:26

Poor Foxy is having a hard time today


Message 478 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Barnip Sent: 04/02/2003 13:26

Don't get me wrong, I'm fairly convinced MJ is innocent of kiddy touching, but I wouldn't bet my kid's virginity on it. Get what I mean?

If I knew him inside out, and was 99.99% convinced, I STILL wouldn't bet my kid's virginity on it!


Message 479 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Primal_Node Sent: 04/02/2003 13:26

No I wouldn't! But then I was talking about Michael's own kids not some
other parent's kids - that's way-offside in my opinion and shouldn't be
allowed. Speakeasy


Message 480 of 1186 in Discussion

From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 13:26

So not in the MJ 'need' then? Hardly a problem finding an extra room there.


Message 481 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Hellriser Sent: 04/02/2003 13:26

what r u talking about?... the man is not only famous... is NUTS!!!!

I wouldn't allow my children or anybody's children if it is on my reach to sleep with a grown up in the conditions in which Jackson himself admitted on TV... Love?, Care?, Sharing?... we re talking about CHILDREN!, such concepts for a little one are not fully developed and their idea of Love, Caring and Sharing is completely different from any grown up.

The Man is dangerous, is a maniac and sooner or later another child is going to complain of sexual abuse... don't let the fact that Jacko is a very talented man fool you for what a person really carries inside... the man stinks.

[cathy]

Message 482 of 1186 in Discussion

From: SkinMan Sent: 04/02/2003 13:27

It's not because he's famous - It's despite he's famous that it is really worying

Message 483 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Fudge69 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:27

How about NO!

So you you think you know how the world ticks because you read a red-top paper?

They feed us cr*p and we stupidly believe every word. That's why people have such a derogatory view of Michael in the first place.

He's travelled the world.

He's seen far more than you or I are ever gunna see in our lifetime's.

And if he want's to spend stupid amounts of money on an urn, then so be it... he's earned the money legitemately hasn't he?

He's been through the whole fame thing and he know's what negative effect's it can have on children. At least when the kid's are 12, 13 ,14 or 15 years of age, they can step out in public and people won't recognize them. They don't have the mask's on 24 hours a day... only when they are in danger from bieng photographed, which is why we only ever see them masked. Is that wrong?

When I was younger, i loved dressing up... it was fun.

And let's not forget how completely blown out of proportion every tiny little move he makes is... I have nothing but love and admiration for that man.


Message 484 of 1186 in Discussion

From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 13:27

I think he has gone crazy and not siblings because he was used as the example. He probably saw himself as to blame for his brothers and sisters being beaten, it's quite burden, his dad seems like a total pyscho!


Message 485 of 1186 in Discussion

From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 13:28

Flippin heck .. .how many idiots are going to start up new threads every five mins so poor old Foxy's got to go and get them and bring them into order ...


Message 486 of 1186 in Discussion

From: salfollad Sent: 04/02/2003 13:28

what do you mean with he doesn't live alone?


Message 487 of 1186 in Discussion

From: happyangel Sent: 04/02/2003 13:28

You have to bear in mind the kids adore him. HE DID NOT GET INTO BED WITH THEM. HE SLEPT ON THE FLOOR.

Amend the subject of the email and stop twisting words.

I do however, believe he has had more than his nose done.

Angel


Message 488 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Hellriser Sent: 04/02/2003 13:28

Get in contact with me honey... we could share a good sleep together


Message 489 of 1186 in Discussion

From: KingswoodBishop Sent: 04/02/2003 13:28

Question one - at what point did the children's parents think it was okay to let this happen.
Two - What are the authorities in the US going to do, and what have they done in the past
Three - Michael's friends (adults) should advise him that although his intentions may well be prue - it doesn't look too good from the outside - he should sleep them in seperate room, and ideally with their guardians


Message 490 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 13:28


From: ayoola12 (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 13:27

michael jackson is a sad man,but i just think he is trying to restore his stolen childhood........and giving kids opportunities he never had


Message 491 of 1186 in Discussion

From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 13:29

He didn't just sleep on the floor ... he admitted sharing a bed with children


Message 492 of 1186 in Discussion

From: salfollad Sent: 04/02/2003 13:29

I absolutely agree with you.


Message 493 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Mars33 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:30

happyangel, he did not sleep in the same bed as that kid, but as far as I understood he did sleep in the same bed with other children.


Message 494 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Barnip Sent: 04/02/2003 13:30

Happyangel, he said he slept on the floor with his 12 year old buddy.

He also said he has slept in his bed with other kids. His words, not mine.

Anyhoo, work to do. Byesee bye!


Message 495 of 1186 in Discussion

From: davpea Sent: 04/02/2003 13:31

Michael Jackson, Mad! Nah he's not mad. Someone who slices his face up and calls it growing up isn't mad. Someone who was black and is now whiter than any white man isn't mad. Someone who surrounds himself with 6 foot dolls isn't mad. Someone who thinks that sleeping with 12 year old boys isn't mad. Someone who believes that he is Peter Pan and is going to live forever isn't mad! I know that he had a hard time as a child but he needs to wake up and join the ranks of the real world. Oh yeah, I'd let my 12 year old son sleep with a 44 year old bloke too. NOT!!! If he isn't mad then can someone please tell me what the criteria is I would love to know.


Message 496 of 1186 in Discussion

From: happyangel Sent: 04/02/2003 13:31

To: MET14

read your message - yes Janet Jackson looks fine on the outside but do you know what's going on on the inside? A lot of people and families seem perfect on the outside but go "inside" take a closer look - its not what it seems.

Angel

[cathy]

Message 497 of 1186 in Discussion

From: soulsista_vicki Sent: 04/02/2003 13:31

how sick is it though?

we have all these other people being 'nicked' for looking at child porn on the net etc etc and here were are with one of the most famous people sleeping with kids!!!!!!
okay if it was one of the genearl public it would have been in the papers and less subdued but this is just one of those things called attention seeking!!!!


Message 498 of 1186 in Discussion

From: -BIoss- Sent: 04/02/2003 13:32

500 posts in just over an hour and a half - is this some kind of record?


Message 499 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Chromodynamix Sent: 04/02/2003 13:32

If this is 500, I am King !


Message 500 of 1186 in Discussion

From: A.member Sent: 04/02/2003 13:32

From what I gather Michael is making up for a lost childhood or rather an inability to grow up. In a way its sad because may be he cant have a normal relationship with adults who never stop to criticise and judge so I see why he surrounds himself with children because they are innoncent and are not judgmental compared to adults. I think it would be fine so long as Michael knows where to draw the line.


Message 501 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Chromodynamix Sent: 04/02/2003 13:32

unidentifiable smiley!

Message 502 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Mars33 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:32

500!!!


Message 503 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Mars33 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:33

DAMN!!!


Message 504 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ClaraCluck Sent: 04/02/2003 13:33

He shouldn't be sharing a room with children - PERIOD!


Message 505 of 1186 in Discussion

From: red__anchor Sent: 04/02/2003 13:33

On a personal note I would just like to thank all the Michael Jackson fans for joining this community today to rationally discuss his life. You have given me an insight in a world that I would never have known exists...


(1 recommendation so far) Message 506 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ClaireL Sent: 04/02/2003 13:33

I think that people are being very harsh on Michael Jackson, I agree that he is very disturbed and seems very depressed, but you have to realise he has never ever lived in the real world, from a small child he has lived the life of a star and he has experienced first hand the pressures that go along with that.

I would say without doubt that Michael Jackson does not sexually abuse children, he is living the life of a 10 year old and I truly believe he thinks he still is 10, everything that goes on with Children is innocent, his mind just doesn’t work in bad ways like that. As for the Children that currently spend time with Michael, the parents of the children are aware and are often staying at the house at the same time, I can’t honestly think they let anything happen. Michael just loves Children and he wants to be loved.

Nowhere in that programme last night did he mention the Millions and Millions of pounds Michael Jackson gives to Charity, he has been the main contributor to a large number of charities over the past years, who knows maybe you have been helped by a charity that he has contributed over $50 Million to !!

Maybe he just needs a friend, it seems he has no one to talk to and lets face it, apart from money what has he got ?, granted I would love to walk round a shop and buy everything in sight, but I wouldn’t swap that for the love of my husband and my family.

With regards to him dangling his Baby over the balcony, I think he genuinely made a mistake, think about it, how many mistakes do you make in your life ?, the press constantly watch him waiting for him to slip up, he never would have hurt that baby it means the world to him.

I think he was brave to let himself be filmed like this, I think he is crying out for help and understanding. I wouldn’t say I have ever been his biggest fan but from last nights programme I feel so sorry for him and it made me realise all I have and perhaps money and fame isn’t the be all and end all.



Message 507 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Amazed© Sent: 04/02/2003 13:33

Ditto, RA.


(1 recommendation so far) Message 508 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Fudge69 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:34

Oh yeah! Like Michael Jackson has too 'seek' attention... o.k..


Message 509 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 13:34

Hellriser, I don't like MJ's music, I am not a fan, it's not a talent that's fooling me!
How would you feel if you were in his shoes?

Do you really think people would bother you the way they do him if you were to care and love for those kids?

Would they accuse you of child molesting??


Message 510 of 1186 in Discussion

From: met14 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:34

unlucky, you got 499 and 501


Message 511 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Primal_Node Sent: 04/02/2003 13:34

How do I get out of having posts delivered to my Inbox - Help! Speakeasy

[cathy]

Message 512 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Hellriser Sent: 04/02/2003 13:35

you are right man.. Kodaks and Konicas are very dangerous weapons!! imagine one of them being shot at you... nasty!!!... apparently the best defense against such dangerous weapons is to wear a very thin veil on your head.

and good for you if you love Jacko that's fine... I really love .John Lennon music and lyrics but that doesn't stop me from seeing the real bastard he was must of the time.

THINK


Message 513 of 1186 in Discussion

From: widow Sent: 04/02/2003 13:35

Yes lets be objective,

Remove the man from the music and you wouldn't have a child who was beaten sensless by his father!!

He wouldn't have become shy, withdrawn and feeling the need to live in a fantasy world.

He wouldn't have his money, and therefore wouldn't have given millions to charity and good causes

etc etc etc.


So the guy is strange and different, does that give anyone the right to critise and scrutinise him, does being different make you an abuser of children!

If being different makes you all of those then 100% of mankind should be accused as he has been!

Be realistic. Do you honestly look at Michael Jackson and think he's a pervert and an abuser? Do you think that he is mentally capable of doing these things?

He has the mind of a child. Of course he doesn't see anything wrong with having a sleep over.

Yes, he does some stupid things (hanging his baby over a balcony isn't the brightest thing in the world to do) and subjecting his children to the crowds at the zoo wasn't great either. But so what, name me any parents who haven't been irresponsible or foolish or who hasn't accidentally or niavely put their child in some sort of danger.

Is it any wonder with all the hounds baying for his blood that he chooses to hide away from it all in his own fantasy land?

Leave the guy alone!


Message 514 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Mars33 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:36

Making up childhood... I feel sorry for him if he had such a bad childhood. But sleeping in a bed with young boys is NOT ON. The guy is living on another planet. He has no sense of realilty. Would you let your child sleep in a bed with a person who's lost reality, just because he's a lonely, child adoring popstar? I get the impression that a lot of people are defending him, just because he used to be their pop idol.


1 recommendation so far) Message 515 of 1186 in Discussion

From: DrowsyJohnyG Sent: 04/02/2003 13:36

Just to throw in my two penneth.

M J is a misguided missfit, probably the product of being abused by his Father during his formative years and also a product of his musical success. His actions regarding young children is naive and certainly in bad taste/judgement (although I don't believe he intends any harm). I believe he needs psychriatic help and has done for a number of years. I also believe that HE believes that he has only had two operations on his nose.


Good singer and dancer tho'


Message 516 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Hellriser Sent: 04/02/2003 13:36

Hi man! I would feel WHITE!!!


Message 517 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Angeleyes27 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:36

I agree with Claire L.. but i dont think people are being too harsh on him. Regardless of his upbringing etc its no excuse. Anyone can look deep enough into the whole psychology thing and find reasons as to why, but that doesnt make it ok.


Message 518 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 13:37

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Message 519 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Enzafalula Sent: 04/02/2003 13:37

yes - hes had a bad childhood - its very sad, etc etc

so y shld the cycle of abuse be allowed to continue? there's more then one way to abuse a child.

not allowed to go to school
wearing masks
(looked like one of them had bleached hair)
no contact with mother
wearing scarves over their heads
Having HIM as a dad!

in 20 years time these "jackson" children will be doing the same cooky stuff he's doing now!!!

Message 520 of 1186 in Discussion

From: soulsista_vicki Sent: 04/02/2003 13:38

maybe he would have to seek attention as he wouldnt have done the doucumentry
he just loves being in the lime light of it all .


Message 521 of 1186 in Discussion

From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 13:40

It's all very well defending him but he is responsible for 3 little kids. If you have no ties then you can do what you want when you want but he has children. As the trip to the zoo showed in the documentary, despite the fact he heard that Prince had been poked in the eye, he denied and then went on to say "As long as I get to she the gorillas, I'm happy"

Well that's responsible!


Message 522 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Skon Sent: 04/02/2003 13:40

He may not be a paedophile and I know he's got a high voice anyway, but he did sound a bit camp - all that 'yoo-hoo' stuff made me laugh!

There's lots to talk about here but I think if he doesn't get some serious advice soon then he'll end up in jail - can't all his hangers-on realise they need to talk some sense into him 'cos if that happens they'll probably lose their jobs?


Message 523 of 1186 in Discussion

From: soulsista_vicki Sent: 04/02/2003 13:41

i totally agree his kids will be totall thick and will only know house hold stuff that they've been bought up



Message 524 of 1186 in Discussion

From: soulsista_vicki Sent: 04/02/2003 13:41

is that jonny gordon?


Message 525 of 1186 in Discussion

From: SkinMan Sent: 04/02/2003 13:42

Would chemical castration affect his voice?


Message 526 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 13:42

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[cathy]

Message 527 of 1186 in Discussion

From: mrs o mac Sent: 04/02/2003 13:43

I do not believe for a second that MJ is a child abuser, however, i still dont think its ok for him to have children sleeping in his bed. A normal man wouldnt get away with doing that so then it's not ok. I believe that MJ has no idea that what he is doing is wrong, he is just a child in a mans body, and there is no question of whether he is mentally stable or not. He isn't! He's children are gonna grow up to be completely mental and after the awful childhood MJ had y would he do the same to his children! Saying that I think MJ is probably a really lovely person who only wants to help people but he has no grasp on reality.


Message 528 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Mars33 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:43

We were here first!


(1 recommendation so far) Message 529 of 1186 in Discussion

From: TwiZtiD Sent: 04/02/2003 13:44


lol wut du u fink? u fink hes a peedo or just tryin to be nice?

wut u tink ov his dad beating him?

TwizTid


Message 530 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sàfi Sent: 04/02/2003 13:44


Message 531 of 1186 in Discussion

From: lady_g Sent: 04/02/2003 13:44

i agree dav

in the interview there was so many times that would make u wonder wot world he was living in. it's amazing that even after all this ppl r still infatuated with him...& wot abt the kids being masked whenever in the public's eye...it's a bit freaky


Message 532 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Enzafalula Sent: 04/02/2003 13:45

children in mens bodies shldnt be allowed to raise children.

Poor little mites - they're the ones I really felt sorry for! I dread to think how the mother(s) is/are really kept away. I doubt they keep away willingly.



Message 533 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 13:46

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Message 534 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Skon Sent: 04/02/2003 13:47

Skinman -

yeah I reckon it would affect his voice, though to be sure it might be better to use some bricks - shouldn't hurt too much....unless you get your fingers caught when you do it!


Message 535 of 1186 in Discussion

From: l8ter Sent: 04/02/2003 13:47

So what if Jacko is Wacko, he can AFFORD to be. The programme raised eyebrows, increase publicity, that was the idea and thats exactly what it did.

Message 536 of 1186 in Discussion

From: summy Sent: 04/02/2003 13:48

I love Michael Jackson, and all the criticisms he faced over the years is dreadful,he didnt need plastic surgery, he would have been quite fit anyway


Message 537 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 13:48

From: ailsa (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 13:41

I had not previously had any opinion on MJ before, last nite I watched this show and I now have nothing but admaration for this man, ok his sense of reality may be altered but he did say he does not read tabloids or watch tv, so whose view on reality is realy altered considering all published tabloid news is 80% fiction!!! I think we would all benefit from adopting his approach to life he was completely honest in this show, he has nothing to hide, his love of children is not sick infact the reporters reaction and indeed every one elses reaction is sick, immediatly assuming he has sexual relations with these kids is just unjust, my boyfriends kids asked me the last time they stayed over if they could sleep in bed with me and yes i let them rather than have them feel unwanted and send them back along to the empty room at the end of the corridor i let them sleep in the room with me, not weird at all! how many times in a year do you dye your hair or go for a sunbed or anykind of cosmetic treatment? how many people question you about it or make you feel intimidated or less of a person for doing something that makes you feel better when really it is none of their buisness? Im going out tomorrow to buy a MJ album, as i now figure him to be a positively human, being!



Message 538 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Enzafalula Sent: 04/02/2003 13:48

he can be as wacko as he likes - but he shldnt be allowed to shape childrens minds.


Message 539 of 1186 in Discussion

From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 13:48

I do understand the kids wearing masks though. Just think how well we know the faces of Brooklyn Beckham, if people could recognise MJs kids they would be snatched in a minute. They really didn't seem to mind though!


Message 540 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Policecar Sent: 04/02/2003 13:49

he can be as wacko as he likes - but he shldnt be allowed to shape childrens minds.

or tickle their bottoms


Message 541 of 1186 in Discussion

From: SkinMan Sent: 04/02/2003 13:50

Any one else think he now has a striking resemblance to a young Elizabeth Taylor?

[cathy]

Message 542 of 1186 in Discussion

From: The Cyber wizard Sent: 04/02/2003 13:50

mj is just a very lonly man whom has had his child hood stolen from him and as a result he is very insucure and lonlyhence his attatchment to children hes trying to regain what he has lost.on the matter of him covering the face of his children this is no diferant that some religons do i cannot coment on the mater of him alowing 12 year olds to sleep in his bed as no one but mj and the kids are the only ones whom know the truth behind this but the love shown for his seems very real and if he was abusing any child this would not be presants i think he has sufferd enough and we should all leave him alone to get on with his lfe


Message 543 of 1186 in Discussion

From: l8ter Sent: 04/02/2003 13:51

Dont you get it, this guy has been living like this for ALL his life, that IS HIS REALITY. Thats his world so let him be.


Message 544 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Enzafalula Sent: 04/02/2003 13:51

kids change all the time - if someone was going to kidnap them - its not the kid they recognise its the ENTOURAGE.

OH HANG ON - ILL KIDNAP THE KID WITH THE MASK

that was easy,


Message 545 of 1186 in Discussion

From: joey123 Sent: 04/02/2003 13:51

i think anyone with half an once of sense knows that the allegations made against MJ in 93 are false. he was able to pay them off 'proof of guilt' some may say but he didnt want his name through the papers which is understanable the fact that the mother of the boy in question accepted the money shows MJ's innocence no mother would accept anything from a person who they believed to have abused their child they would want the key thrown away. i think its sad that there is so much suspicion around him because of the good things he has done for underprivileged children all around the world. we still live in such a sexist world there would be no speculation or cause for concern around a women who wanted to help children. he obvoiusly craves for the childhood he never had he should be left alone to get on with his life no-one will ever understand why he has turned out the way he has. words freak and weirdo r just cruel i think the world should show a bit of humanity towards him, its sad how the whole world wants to see you fail when you acheive so much. in my opinion thats all he is guilty of being for an oustanding acheivement and contribution to the music industry.



Message 546 of 1186 in Discussion

From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 13:51

He wasn;t honest last night, he contradicted himself loads and lied ablout his face, his kids mothers and who knows what else. I don't think he can seperate fantasy and reality anymore.


Message 547 of 1186 in Discussion

From: KnickKnack Sent: 04/02/2003 13:52

Some people are really stupid; the sort of stupid that believes the twisted truth made by companies/ executives/ producers who want to sensationalise and shock their audience. I couldn't believe how doggedly determined the program was in making Michael Jackson out to be a freak or worse. "I was really disturbed by what I later heard" or words to that effect were constantly thrown about by Bashir, embellishing or misrepresenting what was being told and how it was being said. His various comments about Michael being "A lonely man who desires adulation from his fans", or "Very odd and inappropriate to allow boys to sleep in the same bed" seemed to further highlight the show and it's interviewer as totally biased.

In the end, I could see that this show was clearly trying to sensationalise a subject that was nothing more than a curious interest to the public. Yes, Michael Jackson is eccentric, and yes, Michael Jackson has had plastic surgery on his face. We already knew this, and so ITV had to suggest (ney, affirm) that something darker lurked behind the story of MJ's life; something very sinister and wrong that no-one knew about and only questioned. What a total waste of an oppurtunity. And more and more stupid people are going to follow the propoganda that gets spouted about by the televsion companies for whatever their hidden agendas may be; Im just glad Im one of the few who can actually see past all the BS and realise how low these networks will go for ratings.


Message 548 of 1186 in Discussion

From: mrs o mac Sent: 04/02/2003 13:52

mj should not be allowed to bring up thoes children. He is going to destroy them he even tells them they dont have a mother.


Message 549 of 1186 in Discussion

From: TwiZtiD Sent: 04/02/2003 13:52

i felt sorry 4 the baby he/she had a cloth on and jakco cudnt hardly get the bottle in his mouth cuz ov da cloth. i understand jacko is hideing the babys face from the press. but wont the babyes i sight be bad tryin to see threw the cloth?

Message 550 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Enzafalula Sent: 04/02/2003 13:52

Dont you get it, this guy has been living like this for ALL his life, that IS HIS REALITY. Thats his world so let him be.

yeah, never mind, its only 3 kids.. lets wait til they grow up and become freaks too before anyone says --- something shld have been done!


Message 551 of 1186 in Discussion

From: SkinMan Sent: 04/02/2003 13:53

Joey123

Do you work for his record company? If so I like your attempted spin


Message 552 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ¤°Ò©êªÑ¤Ð®ºþ°¤ Sent: 04/02/2003 13:53

I feel sorry 4 the guy he just seems to have alot of love hes always cared about children like when he said bout adoptin 2 kids from every continent shows he cares and u could tell hes a kid at heart mayb he feels like he can have better times with the younger generation he has kids to look after and wants the best 4 them mayb he wants his kids to grow up with the children he knows, i mean y go on about him on the news straight after the guy will never lead a peaceful life nor will his kids. the guy interviewing jackson was so harsh at times so what if hes had plastic surgery is it really anything to do with any1 else? will he ever lead a normal life?will his kids ever lead a normal life? and the answer to all of those questions is no y cant ppl leave the guy alone theres others out in the world that have done worse then he has but dont ever get hassled i say good luck to him.

Message 553 of 1186 in Discussion

From: stoneage Sent: 04/02/2003 13:55

okay, so the guys IS a legend and he has all the money in the world, but yall gotta concede that he does need mental treatment...and either way, are we really the ones to judge the man?? he's been thru a lot of sh*t. and i don't think he harmed any children, he doesn't seem capable...it's sad really that hes turned out the way he has, i couldn't help feeling sorry for him...


Message 554 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Clairabelle Sent: 04/02/2003 13:57

I totally agree with ClaireL!

Michael Jackson had lived a sheltered and abusive start to his life. It's totally abnormal and unnatural to think that our childhoods were never there - as his wasn't. He never had a childhood - what's wrong with him trying to hold onto it? If I had the money, I wouldn't want to grow up either! I too, would be quite happy to ride on rollercoasters on a daily basis and shop til I drop, surrounding myself with things that make me happy because I would have the money to do it - wouldn't you?

As for his adulthood... he may 'seem' a little unstable... but after all, none of us know what it's like to be one of the (or THE) most famous person in the world. You can't possibly have a normal life in that kind of spotlight. He wants to still be a child and he obviously still thinks he is - kids have sleepovers, water balloon fights & midnight snacks - he's just doing what he should have done as a kid. He doesn't think there's anything wrong in it and nor do I.

The man's not a child molester - he's just a rich guy who likes to give something back to the world and it's children. If his money and influence has helped that young kiddie with Cancer, then fair play to him!

I'm no obsessive fan or anything - but you've got to admit he's a musical genius! I beleive there's a good thing for every bad - to be that famous and rich comes with sacrifices and I applaud him for trying to cope with them the only way he knows how.


Message 555 of 1186 in Discussion

From: TrgBod Sent: 04/02/2003 13:57

It would appear that myself and others are able to understand that adults and children can spend loving caring time together and not entertain the idea of sex. Those who seem to be so against it and not see the bigger picture have been foolish enough to believe everything they read, perhaps they believe that a man can be not trusted with young children due to their own experiences or perhaps they know that they personnally could not dismiss sexual acts so how can anyone else.

The twelve year old boy and family are probably happy for th MJ to be so close and loving because they might now how much time and money was given be MJ during the childs illness. Any parent who has experience illness with their own child might be able to see what an impact MJ could have on a family.


Message 556 of 1186 in Discussion

From: mrs o mac Sent: 04/02/2003 13:57

I LOVE MJ

[cathy]

Message 557 of 1186 in Discussion

From: SoulFree Sent: 04/02/2003 13:58

Hi!, I think everyone needs to wake up from their slumber and realise that there is more than meets the eye, It's more than trying to call him all kind of names under the sun, it's about understanding why he is, the way he is, this is bordering on psychology, the world out there is one big stage where ppl go on about "Look at me, I'm great, I'm loud, I'm extroverted etc"...painting an impression of being a sunny confident person! Quite simply, I do not see it that way, MJ is obviously an insecure and an unloved person - he is genuinely a nice person but needs to remember this "Accepting responsibility for his own actions and the effects they have on his own and other ppl's lives", from what he said about his past, it is there that sets the chains in motion for his future or should I say present! He is trying to protect them obviously, and show them love in a way that he never received any of it when is was a child! And by bringing children into his bed, it tells that he wants them to love him as well...of course his parents wouldn't be to blame would they...for the chances of his parents receiving abuse when they were younger would be quite high and look what happens - history repeating itself! Unfortunately, that is the sad reality of life, look at how many children/adults get abused and would desperately hide their pain by being pretentious. I feel he should take on his own past with a qualified counselor in order to help him get over with what happened and to accept that he is that way in that way he'll be making his life easier for himself in many years to come!

Yours,

SoulFree.


Message 558 of 1186 in Discussion

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Message 559 of 1186 in Discussion

From: shaany Sent: 04/02/2003 14:01

when Americans(JW bush)feels like killing people around the wourld & makeing lots people & offcourse too many children homeless just for a bunch of dollars!! .....

dont you think Michael Jackson alows himself to do anything he likes .after all he has many teachers......


Message 560 of 1186 in Discussion

From: widow Sent: 04/02/2003 14:02

oh right, you mean that he shouldn't be able to shape childrens minds like the fanatical terrorosts, and most religions or religious sects etc. Yeah, cos their really teaching their children some values aren't they!!!!


Message 561 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Arahbella Sent: 04/02/2003 14:02

I know I said it was my last post but I had to make another and if I keep reading the responses I will most likely make more...
The following is a popular statement...

the fact that the mother of the boy in question accepted the money shows MJ's innocence no mother would accept anything from a person who they believed to have abused their child they would want the key thrown away.

Well then explain Andrea Bone to me.. She watched as a man slammed her baby against a wall. Or how about that daft woman who burnt herself and her two kids to death.. or go stateside and look at that woman who placed her kids in their carseat and sent the car into the river killing those lovely babies.. Or the one who shot her three children killing the baby and wounding the other two and scarring them for life emotionally as well as physically.. And in Texas there is the one who drowned all SIX of her her children in a tub SIX do you know how much a baby struggles if they slip in the tub and go under imagine holding them under the water..Though you as a parent would not accept the cash other parents would... I know women who would and I bet if you thought about it you do as well.... Not every parent is a good parent who would die for their child... I don't know but maybe this is one of the parents who wouldn't?


Message 562 of 1186 in Discussion

From: cheetah_girl_0 Sent: 04/02/2003 14:03

I believe that MJ is asexual and therefore cannot be aroused by either sex. I believe him when he says that nothing untoward takes place in his bed with these children for that very reason.


Message 563 of 1186 in Discussion

From: mickhew Sent: 04/02/2003 14:04

the kids are masked in public, to protect them from the press. It's a sad fact that the general public are obsessed with celebrities. I think MJ's intentions here are caring. I think we in the U.K should be more worried about the likes of Matthew Kelly, Johnathan King, and Michael Barrymore.
MJ was beaten as a child, and has led his whole life in a massive media circus, so NO-ONE here can really make a qualified comment, as no-one here I doubt, has any idea what that's like.


Message 564 of 1186 in Discussion

From: HelloDolly Sent: 04/02/2003 14:04

I find it terribly sad that Michael Jackson is being subjected to so much criticism.

Personally I take him at his word that he just wants to love the children in a perfectly platonic way, not because I particularly like him or his music, but because I don't think he really felt that love from his father.

As far as I was aware, and correct me if I'm wrong, the Jacksons were not terribly well treated by their father, and he used them to make money. In a lot of ways they were forced to grow up far too quickly, especially MJ as the youngest, and were treated as performing monkeys by a world that barely cared for them. If he wants children to feel the love that he never had then good on him.

HelloDolly

Disclaimer: This note is based purely on personal opinion and is not in any way legally binding. If any person wishes to correct me on any point, please do. If I'm totally wrong on all points then I'm very sorry.


Message 565 of 1186 in Discussion

From: SkinMan Sent: 04/02/2003 14:04

Yes adults and children can spend loving time together and yes we are all capable of being manipulated by the media. However surely we need to make reasoned judgements on the available evidence and test it against what we personally consider acceptable.

Last night he was portrayed as a very disturbed man. With all his and his record company’s power they would not allow absolute lies to be broadcast.

It does appear that most reasonable people consider a 44 year old man behaving in the way he does to be unaceptable.


Message 566 of 1186 in Discussion

From: l8ter Sent: 04/02/2003 14:05

Mass ignorance is dangerous!!!!!. you should know this its everywhere.. Its because of ignorance that MJ choose to live the way he does and shield his kids in the same from it. His kids are too young to have there minds moulded, they are enjoying what every kid probably dreams of. Their future can not be predicted, however it can be said that they will be provided with the finest of everything and develop fine minds too, to judge what is right. Shield from papparazzi is evident, afterall there father is MJ!!!


Message 567 of 1186 in Discussion

From: vikkimkry Sent: 04/02/2003 14:05

I truely believe that MJ is innocent of child abuse. He just so wants to be a child after he wasn't allowed to be one that he considers kids staying with him as one big sleepover. The only thing that people are concerned about is his age - they would let their kids stay with him if he was 12 - in his mind he is!!!!


Message 568 of 1186 in Discussion

From: mrs o mac Sent: 04/02/2003 14:06

I THINK FISH ARE VERY SPECIAL ANIMALS SO I MIGHT TAKE THEM TO BED WITH ME! IS THAT OK WITH EVERY ONE?? thats the same as wot mj does


Message 569 of 1186 in Discussion

From: TwiZtiD Sent: 04/02/2003 14:07

i dunt tink he wud have it wid the kids. jacko has all this money and he ent spending it on his self. he makin other ppl happy wid the money. what roung wid that?


Message 570 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Luckylarocka Sent: 04/02/2003 14:07

Martin Bashir is a disgrace to his profession! It was sickening to watch him trying to ingratiate himself with the children & trying to come accross as a real friend of the family , only to turn around at the end of the programme & basically accuse Michael of being a paedophile.
So he's had plastic surgery...who cares , who has the right to sit in judgement over him, it's his money , earnt honestly, he can do what he wants to his face it's nobody elses buisness!!!
Do you seriously think after the previous child abuse scandal that children would be allowed by their parents or indeed by the authorities to be put at risk , especially with such a high profile person!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!
I do believe he has problems but i do not think he is a sinister child abuser. He is a child himself & let's face it , he didn't come from a particularly loving family it would seem. Why vilify the man for wanting to nurture the magical dreams of children that in this day & age are all too soon destroyed.

Message 571 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ÇHÉYÉNNÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 14:07

From: PrincessMo Sent: 2/4/2003 1:51 PM

He wasn;t honest last night, he contradicted himself loads and lied ablout his face, his kids mothers and who knows what else. I don't think he can seperate fantasy and reality anymore.

Yes that's correct.

MJ is a seriously damaged individually, both emotionally and physically. He may seem pitiful and off the wall, but he is one of the richest men on the planet and as such can (as Bashir said) do precisely what he wants and when he wants. I don't think he shouldn't be allowed near any humans, let alone kids, with his insane lifestyle. If he wants to live like that, then fine, but he shouldn't be involving other kids in his warped planet of Neverland. He's 44 not 4. Certainly, he should not have sole charge of children who will never know their own mother. He's forcing them to go through as weird and dysfunctional an upbringing as he had; obviously he has learned nothing. The authorities should step in and take the children away from him - although no doubt any damage has probably been done already.

[cathy]

Message 572 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Rockers Sent: 04/02/2003 14:07

Is this the Michael Jackson W*nkfest Appreciation Society internet forum away day or summat?

Where are you all going tomorrow? Yahoo?? Lycos?


Message 573 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Titchy_28plus1 Sent: 04/02/2003 14:08

I watched the programme last night and felt a great pain for MJ. I took my childhood for granted until yesterday.

He has missed out on the most important part of life, he was never able to be a child, and as he has got older he been able to do what he wants, that being the things he could never do when he was a child, climb trees, fun fair; granted none of us can have a funfair in our back garden, but he is now being the child he was never alowed to be.

As far as the abuse allegations in 93, I cannot see how the mother of the child could accept a sum of money if she really believed it to be true. I personally think MJ is still too much of a child to do anything like that!

He has friends over to sleep - OK he is 44, but his moulding years were taken away from him, and by the time it had been realised and most other people would have received councelling it would appear it was too late for MJ, and so he is just like a child having a sleepover party (society says that an older person be it male or female cannot do this but when it is innocent, who says it is wrong?)

I believe he is a good friend to many disadvantaged children, how many children are made fun of at school for not having the latest clothes/trainers - MJ sees these children as innocent (all the things that were denied from him) and wants to give them the opportunity to "fit in" somewhere even if it is only for a day or two (obvioulsy one that will never be forgotten)

Last night's programme really did upset me and I feel so sorry for MJ. When I think of him now, I think of a little lost boy just wanting to please everybody like he had to do for so many years while his father was beating for the slightest little thing


Message 574 of 1186 in Discussion

From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 14:09

They are not too young to have their minds shaped!!!!!

If a child is in a bad home and needs to be taken into care, it is recommended that they be taken away before the age of 13 months because after that age they become permanently affected by their surroundings!!


Message 575 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ÇHÉYÉNNÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 14:09

mickhew: I think we in the U.K should be more worried about the likes of Matthew Kelly, Johnathan King, and Michael Barrymore.

Matthew Kelly hasn't been charged with anything to date.


Message 576 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sharyn Sent: 04/02/2003 14:09


Lets face it he is not exactly with it, Living in neverland, Wanting to live forever etc... I think where Michael Jacksonis concerned we are all to quick to blame his childhood, but the more I think about this and lets face there is not much else being talked about (at work etc..) he is completely off this planet and those two women who have given him those poor children want a good slap infact I would lock them in a really hard jail with women who haven't seen there kids in years and let them deal with it...........Those poor kids


Message 577 of 1186 in Discussion

From: zobaa_geo Sent: 04/02/2003 14:09

I have 7 nieces and nephews. I am a woman of 27, nearly 28 this year. The eldest of my nieces and nephews is 18, the youngest is a year old. I have no children of my own yet and I am married. I have baby-sat children since I was 10 years old, both in my family and for my relatives, cousins etc etc. I prefer the company of children to adults - it's more fun and we don't judge each other. When my nieces and nephews come over, we sometimes all have a midnight snack and fall asleep in the same bed! Sometimes, it's just the kids (both boys and girls) who I have baby-sat over the years or their friends. If I was a man, I'd be accused of having an "inappropriate" interest in children. But I'm not a man. Is it inappropriate for me to let some of those children sleep in the same room as me? Can't the world just take things at face value sometimes? Has it occurred to anyone that Michael Jackson just enjoys the company of children more than adults for the same reason? I adore children and I want to have as many as God allows. I know a lot of bad things happen in the world and this can cloud our judgement, but can we believe in some innocence again, please? Society just needs to stop looking at the world like that all the time. Take care everyone.


Message 578 of 1186 in Discussion

From: mrs o mac Sent: 04/02/2003 14:10

mj beds fish!!!!! YEAH THATS WOT HE DOES HE HAS INTERCOURSE WITH SLIPPERY FISH IS THAT OK!!!?? I ASK U?


Message 579 of 1186 in Discussion

From: l8ter Sent: 04/02/2003 14:11

DOES THAT MEAN YOU WILL SCREW THEM TOO? Nah i didnt think so.

I THINK FISH ARE VERY SPECIAL ANIMALS SO I MIGHT TAKE THEM TO BED WITH ME! IS THAT OK WITH EVERY ONE?? thats the same as wot mj does

Message 580 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Unioncitybluez Sent: 04/02/2003 14:11

I watched the programme last night and felt a great pain for MJ.

I watched the programme last night and felt a great disdain for MJ.


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From: TwiZtiD Sent: 04/02/2003 14:12

zobaa geo, not being rude but there ur own fam. its not like ud try n e think funny wid them is it?


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From: Unioncitybluez Sent: 04/02/2003 14:12

MJ is a freak. he has clearly rebuilt his face using egg boxes. anyone who cannot admit this is probably still one of the Jackson love-slaves.


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From: SkinMan Sent: 04/02/2003 14:13

A lot of writers feel sorry for him. So do I. Sometimes I also feel sorry for people who murder and damage peoples lives but that doesn’t mean that they are behaving in an acceptable manner.


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From: BARBIEBELL Sent: 04/02/2003 14:14

Even if MJ is completley innocent of all the accusations thrown at him it does not excuse the fact that he has obviously suffered and as a result is not going to be able to provide a healthy (notice i don't use the word normal) upbringing for his children. You don't see other big stars masking their children? Maybe if someone would have stepped up to help a young suffering MJ then he would not have turned out to be the way he is.
Thats why i do believe that some one should intervene with the way he is bringing up his children, so they don't end suffering the same. Surely some one must be able to stop the danger that he is placing his children in, eg. incidents like the zoo visit.


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From: mrs o mac Sent: 04/02/2003 14:14

IF I WAS TO SHOW A FISH A GOOD TIME IN MY BED PEOPLE WOULD SAY I WAS SICK!!! Y IS IT OK FOR MJ TO SUCH THINGS!! HU!

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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 14:14

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From: PinkSapphire (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 14:10

Yesterday my heart went out to Michael Jackson especially after hearing him speak about his childhood. I think he is just young at heart and he wants to help children, yet he is going the wrong way about it. I think it's fabulous that sick children can visit the wonderful amusement park he has created, but i think it's unexpectable for parents to agree to have their children sleep in his room and in his bed. He is trying to give love yet he is not realising the negative message he is sending. In concern to him speaking about the 'broken family' in today's society i think he has no right to raise such a matter considering his children are not apart of a 'traditional' family, as they don't have a mother.