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Post by cathy on Jan 12, 2009 23:10:06 GMT
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From: Skon Sent: 04/02/2003 14:15
Ok, I really think its time we gave Michael and his approach to life a chance. There's too much pain and unhappiness everywhere and people like him can change things with their positive attitude and love for children. As he says in his own emotional masterpiece -
'Heal the world'
or if you can't do that -
'Feel the world's kids' - or at the least the two per continent you plan to adopt you pointy-nosed pale pop pervert you!
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From: Sàfi Sent: 04/02/2003 14:15
Stop shouting mrs o mac
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From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 14:15
The only reason he behaves like he does and gets away with it is because of his money, no normal person would ever be allowed to have 20 kids round everyday and get them to sleep over.
No other person would be allowed to grab their newborn baby and run out of a hospital with her without her even being cleaned or checked, how bloody irresponsible is that!
He acts like a kid and he thinks like a kid and children are not normally allowed to bring up other children? he even joked last night that he wasn't 44 he was 4!
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From: zobaa_geo Sent: 04/02/2003 14:16
Having said all that, I do think that Michael Jackson needs some counselling and help. His sense of reality is obviously not what could be regarded as "normal". I think we need to separate the two issues. His relationship with children is obviously a loving one but I think his relationship to reality and to his own self-image needs to looking at. The man's mind has obviously split/disassociated in some way that prevents him from understanding how the world preceives him. He needs a lot of help. He may be suffering a sort of schizophrenia. I have seen this sort of behaviour in a couple of relatives who also have this condition and only managed with very strong medication. I hope Micheal Jackson gets the help he needs - for the sake of his children. Maybe the press should leave him alone too.
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From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 14:17
When I was a nipper I bumped into MJ outside Spa in Bushey...he nicked my 50p and then jabbed my in the eye with stick!
Not so nice and misunderstood now is he?!?! Yeah...you heard me....
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From: ÇHÉYÉNNÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 14:17
An adult man has the sexual needs of an adult man, regardless of the childlike psychology he may present to the outside world. Ask anyone who works in psychiatry. To believe otherwise is to be dangerously naive.
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From: mckenziejazz Sent: 04/02/2003 14:17
I hope MJ can see all of this. I have read a few posts and no one has been in favour of his actions with regard to sleeping with children..
Your heart may be in the right place Micheal but if you want to stop hurting your reputation, your children and other peoples children. Then please take the opinions and views expressed here and stop sleeping with minors.
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From: mrs o mac Sent: 04/02/2003 14:18
I am just making my point. mj can sleep with fish and i cant so wots up with that.
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From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 14:18
l8ter the only freak is you
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From: smooth_criminal Sent: 04/02/2003 14:18
I agree that it is OK to get in bed with your own kids but anything other than that then no, would you like to have kid in bed with a man? I know that I wouldn't.
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From: TwiZtiD Sent: 04/02/2003 14:19
y can the leave him to get on wid his life, M.Mason can du wut he like wid he's boady but wen jacko dus it the hole world starts back stabbin
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From: zobaa_geo Sent: 04/02/2003 14:19
TwiZtiD, no, of course not! I guess I'm just trying to see it from his point of view. When you identify with ids as strongly as he does, it's quite easy to have a certain state of mind. I won't call it "innocence" but, maybe a lack of "perception"? At the end of the day, none of us can know for sure what is going on with all this.
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From: Jperphect Sent: 04/02/2003 14:19
Who are we to judge the man!! he is what he is. Never had a bright childhood like most of us...and so what!
Most of us think that we should say "things" or scrutinise people because they are famous. That is not the right thing to do! nobody's saying anything about Mr.Darius Melon who is 54 years old and lives in a 2 bedflat with his son (10 years old) and let his son sleeps with him in the same bed because he has his aunt who came over and stays in the other room.. There is nothing sexual about that nor anything to talk about!
There is nothing to feel sorry for MJ. Why should we talk about Michael Jackson who children loves and want to say with...even sleep on his bed! where is the problem!?
I am not trying to defend him or things like that but let's be realistic, what is the drame of letting a child staying at your place and offering all the confort he wants. It's not MJ but us (the press , the reader, the tabloid...etc) who want to make a story about this issue. All want to spoil the man!
Go to any Africa's countries and you will see how many people let the children or other people's children sleep on their bed!.
What I can finally say is LEAVE THE MAN ALONE AT ONCE!!!
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From: topus1 Sent: 04/02/2003 14:20
...the fact remains you CAN NEVER reason like a genius if you are not one. How do you have the total view of the planet earth when you 've not been in space !!!
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Post by cathy on Jan 12, 2009 23:28:03 GMT
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From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 14:21
what is up with you
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From: red__anchor Sent: 04/02/2003 14:21
Who are we to judge Saddam Hussein?he is what he is. Never had a bright childhood like most of us...and so what!
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From: clarabel Sent: 04/02/2003 14:21
i agree, it was obvious he was lying about his plastic surgery. He was claiming that his face has just changed over the years, what aload of rubbish! He doesn't look at all like the same person. As for the parents that let their children stay overnight at his house, they should be facing the same critisism as MJ. The thought of me sleeping in the same bed as one of my fathers friends, who happen to be the same age as MJ, is totally weird. MJ lives in a fantasy world, he cant tell the difference between reality and fantasy. he has been allowed to live this way because of his money. Any other normal guy living down the road would not be allowed to carry on like this.
(2 recommendations so far) Message 605 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Aklase Sent: 04/02/2003 14:22
I do not understand people of this world of today.Every action is seen through 'sexual' eyes.No wonder even kids as young as 8 talk about sex like it's the same as eating sweets.What is wrong with a bunch of kids tucked in bed with an adult friend or relative who would read them books or tell stories before they drop off.Some of us as kids loved that so much : jumping into our uncles',aunts 'or parents' friends or classmates parents' bed when we stayed over with the attraction being STORY TIME. Some of us had such loving environment growing up even back in Africa.We've all been kids before & we know how kids love attention & to be treated special.We also know how kids are good at reporting everything, & into detail too,back to their parents about any visit or experience they've had.If anything funny or strange goes on ,a good parent will find out.
Is it because it's Michael Jackson,this has to be wrong? I enjoy havin my nieces & nephews with their friends climb into my bed with very bright excited eyes ready for Today's Story.They love it!They ask questions,tease each other,laugh so happily away when any of them passes a comment they find funny.These are the things apart from other innocent fun past times lots of kids of today miss or don't have.No wonder they grow up to be cold adults or adults who do not know how to express warmth or love to their own children,how much more people around them.
Enough is enough.Spare this man.At least he has achieved great heights in his career.What about u lot?
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From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 14:22
clarabel can you change your font its kind of hard to read!!
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From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 14:23
your twisted you!!
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From: TwiZtiD Sent: 04/02/2003 14:24
he dus look a bit like he did. his face is wider thow he has the sam sorta face struck. hes eyes and noces lips. are diff and he face has just gone wide
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From: mrs o mac Sent: 04/02/2003 14:24
fish r people too u know
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From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 14:25
ok then
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From: TwiZtiD Sent: 04/02/2003 14:26
i take it u like fish?
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From: clarabel Sent: 04/02/2003 14:27
soz, is this ok?
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From: NOLIMITG23 Sent: 04/02/2003 14:27
WELL, I think Micheal has alot of love for everyone, old, young, especailly
children because he want them to enjoy what he never got in never got when he was a child. I mean what he is doing is really love from the haert not for sex. It looks like the only way for him to be happy is to show some luve / help people.
LOOK at other famouse STARs, what are they doing to help children or old people, nothing!! Well may be they have the love to do the same but, SOCIATY well say that is PERVETIC.
What we need to do is try, help and love everyone, and i mean true love by making them feel free to be happy.
Peace and Luv
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From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 14:27
must do all i have heard is fish this fish that
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From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 14:27
yeah thats great
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Post by cathy on Jan 12, 2009 23:40:07 GMT
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From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 14:30
cause i think your all talking crap
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From: bacardiguzzler Sent: 04/02/2003 14:30
This is a message for TwiZtiD and mrs o mac!!!! You go on about mj being weird, have you heard yourselves!!!!1
Message 620 of 1186 in Discussion
From: gene Sent: 04/02/2003 14:30
What are you on about? a fish?
Leave MJ alone!! We LOVE him and his music and his sexy face!!! He's cuter than Graham Norton!!!!
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From: clarabel Sent: 04/02/2003 14:31
Why are we talkin about fish?
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From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 14:31
I Love Graham Norton..leave him alone.
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From: sd3 Sent: 04/02/2003 14:31
just a quick note if those three children are "his" then why are they so WHITE? surely they would be alittle tanned knowing that he was originally a coloured man? his children appear not to have ANY genetic resemblence? a bit strange dont you think if he donated his sperm!! his children would not be blonde if they were his, as black hair is the most domanant gene.
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From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 14:31
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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 14:31
what the hell R U doin' on this site if you havent come to write about him?
errr well it is a news site not a MJ site actually.....and threads do sometimes wander off topic. Specially when Swannie and Bigdunc are around
by the way some of you new members might like to pop over here and introduce yourselves.
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From: Nat79 Sent: 04/02/2003 14:31
We have to be able to look at it from both sides. I mean with a childhood like his you can not blame him for being a bit mad most people would not have survived a childhood like that.
But at the same time I think it is prudent that authorities do not turn a blind eye just because he is Michael Jackson. My heart went out to his kids but I believe he thinks he is doing the best he knows how to although I might not agree with it.
Also one thing we non-celebs tend to do is judge without getting all the information and lets face it where Michael Jackson is concerned no one but Michael Jackson will ever know the whole story
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From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 14:32
All this is just another example of how the WHITE MEDIA is trying to destroy BLACK ICONS!
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From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 14:33
You have a very good point there!
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From: NOLIMITG23 Sent: 04/02/2003 14:33
Well, with his plastic surgery, how many people in this chatroom, will get it done and be proud of it, come on TV / NEWS PAPERS / RADIO tell everyone if he feels embarace then let him lye about it. Let just leave him alone with that.
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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 14:34
All this is just another example of how the WHITE MEDIA is trying to destroy BLACK ICONS!
MJ was ok when he was BLACK hon, its now that he is WHITE people are wondering why, and what else hes up to. Perhaps you could provide us with some proof of these other examples of which you speak?
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From: gene Sent: 04/02/2003 14:34
Michael is sssooooooo fit!!! Graham is Soooooo not!!!
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Post by cathy on Jan 12, 2009 23:52:39 GMT
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From: bacardiguzzler Sent: 04/02/2003 14:34
That is exactly what I tried to point earlier. Doesn't anybody apart from us 2 think its strange that those kids are white. MJ is a black person afterall, not that you'd think it now, but his genetic make up is that of a black person. So why are his kids white. Even with a white mother, they would be coloured somehow!!!
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From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 14:35
You can't possibly tell with any accuracy whether they look like him or not but the little ones were both dark haired and the oldest little boy had bleached hair...which is wierd at the age of 6!! Anyway, we saw a little bit of Prince I and he looked like Michael around his eyes, or should I say looked like Michael did before he "didn't have" any plastic surgery!
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From: mellon Sent: 04/02/2003 14:36
when I was 15 I actually slept in an adult's bed...
many of us did, it was during some boy-scout camps and things like that.
As a gay guy maybe is different for me: for i slept WITHOUT sex with mane adult men and it was all simply company, affection, absolutely normal stuff.
I was really worried by the bad journalist reaction to the fact that Jackson found normal sleeping with kids... because IT IS NORMAl, there is nothing wrong about it... as I did it with many men without having sex. there are people in this wordl who has different ways of showing affection and be together, michael jackson is a pure, honest, simple men who happened to be wanting in life thing which are not for all. this doesn;t make hom bad. it is sad the fact that he happened to be born in a sarcastic, cinic, mean, 'victorian' area full of nuts.
I was touched by the humanity of jackson which I had no idea before, even if when I was a kid i lodev hisd music (i am now 29). but I was also deeply hurt by the bad, cinic, vicious and malicious attitude of the journalist ... because in the end he represents the most of us, while michael is only part of few people: sweet and sensible human being, caught in the middle of crisis, problems, frustrations and hurt by the rest of us.
everybody now is talking about the least worrinig thing: sleeping with teens... while noone remeber that a 44 year old man can STILL cry by remembering his own father mocking him.
nuts world. very sad.
michael I wish u find the peace you need.
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From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 14:36
Graham Norton is soooo funny.....and Michael Jackson is ....just funny.
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From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 14:37
Oh christ on a bike!! Not that evil white media again eh?! Tsk...always doing nothing other than putting a brother down cos of the colour of his skin...it's ALL they EVER do...
that's right, it's a conspiracy!!! They really ARE out to get you!
Got some news for ya...most people don't know the dude's black!
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From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 14:37
MJ IS a White Icon that has destroyed a Black Icon....himself!
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From: gene Sent: 04/02/2003 14:37
We agree, we wish michael peace and happiness because he is fitter than Graham
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From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 14:38
SD3- In reply to your message about MJ having WHITE children, it doesn't make any difference in the sense that he is black. I have a black female freind who has a totally white daughter. This is usually something called GENES, dependant on who's is the strongest!
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From: gene Sent: 04/02/2003 14:38
we love michael
we love michael
we love michael
we love michael
we love michael
we love michael
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From: Tye Sent: 04/02/2003 14:39
To the girl (I am assuming) who said that Michaels face is sexy,
.................emmm I dont think so, his face is definitly not sexy! If he didnt go over the top with surgery his face would look alot better in my opinion!
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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 14:39
From: Dee_lite (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 14:38
After watching the documentary last night, I think Michael should use his vast amount of money to get some serious psychiatric help. If he lived next door to me, I would move. He's a danger to himself (and his poor children) and my heart goes out to them. Oddly enough, his children look absolutely nothing like him which is strange.
For a 44 year old man to sit there and say he's Peter Pan and to speak and behave like a little, adolescent boy is nothing short of disturbing. Any sane person would've reported him to the Police or Social Services for that alone.
From a young age, I think it's fairly obvious that Michael has had deep psychological problems about his looks and the fact that he cannot admit to having a complete facial reconstruction is very worrying indeed. If he seriously thinks we believe that all he's had done to his face are two operations to his nose - what hope is there for him?!
Surrounding himself with children for most of his adult life has made him retreat into a pathetic, deluded, fantasy world which will, in the end, be his downfall. As for his servants, butlers, chauffeurs, nannies etc - money obviously comes before good old fashioned morals.
His role models in life appear to be Lisa Minelli, Uri Geller and Elizabeth Taylor who are just as misguided and screwed up as he is.
I fear for his children who unfortunately have the worst father imaginable and I wouldn't be surprised if they grew into reclusive, mentally disturbed men and women .. or should that be reclusive, mentally disturbed little boys and girls?
GET HELP MJ BEFORE YOU RUIN THEIR LIVES!
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From: rainbowthetaste Sent: 04/02/2003 14:39
Michael Jackson was a wonderful dancer and singer back in the days of Thriller and all the rest of it. He was gorgeous, from my opinion - watch the Billie Jean video if you're going to argue with me... He was talented, and he was good at what he did. Now, not so good. Now, not so sane. I think that, as long as there's no more of this throwing babies from balconies melarky and sleeping with children 'purely' on a 'non-sexual' basis, he should be free to alter himself time after time and go around buying expensive things with the money that he earned.
But that's only as long as he stops dangling babies and sleeping with children. That sort of thing fills me with a definite unease.
It's his life, his face, his nose. He paid for it. He can wear it, with pride, no matter what we think. If he's not old enough by now to find a little self-acceptance, then it's time to give over. I'm sure he's a good guy, underneath it all.
By the way, the fish stuff is totally irrelevant and this is a serious issue. Perhaps/Probably, he has mental issues. Treatment could be an option, and not of the plastic sort.
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From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 14:40
I wish peace and happiness for both.
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From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 14:41
Thank you! It is about his genes, MJ has a skin disease so why on Earth would his children be black looking. Stop trying to find anything you can just to hate on a BLACK LEGEND!
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From: gene Sent: 04/02/2003 14:41
I mean it!! His face IS sexy!! please!!!! cant you see his inner beauty???
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 17:45:46 GMT
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From: Foxy Sent: 04/02/2003 14:41
moving this here to keep the discussion together
From: Dee_lite (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 14:38
After watching the documentary last night, I think Michael should use his vast amount of money to get some serious psychiatric help. If he lived next door to me, I would move. He's a danger to himself (and his poor children) and my heart goes out to them. Oddly enough, his children look absolutely nothing like him which is strange.
For a 44 year old man to sit there and say he's Peter Pan and to speak and behave like a little, adolescent boy is nothing short of disturbing. Any sane person would've reported him to the Police or Social Services for that alone.
From a young age, I think it's fairly obvious that Michael has had deep psychological problems about his looks and the fact that he cannot admit to having a complete facial reconstruction is very worrying indeed. If he seriously thinks we believe that all he's had done to his face are two operations to his nose - what hope is there for him?!
Surrounding himself with children for most of his adult life has made him retreat into a pathetic, deluded, fantasy world which will, in the end, be his downfall. As for his servants, butlers, chauffeurs, nannies etc - money obviously comes before good old fashioned morals.
His role models in life appear to be Lisa Minelli, Uri Geller and Elizabeth Taylor who are just as misguided and screwed up as he is.
I fear for his children who unfortunately have the worst father imaginable and I wouldn't be surprised if they grew into reclusive, mentally disturbed men and women .. or should that be reclusive, mentally disturbed little boys and girls?
GET HELP MJ BEFORE YOU RUIN THEIR LIVES!
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From: caitie Sent: 04/02/2003 14:41
MJ is free to do whatever he wants to do. will you all leave him alone
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From: smacs Sent: 04/02/2003 14:42
The first thing people should remember, is that you should not judge MJ on what you read in tabloid newspapers. As everyone knew they would, they have tried to pull him apart again. None of the respectable newspapers made as much of a fuss about that interview. Why? Because the interview was a joke. The guy doing the interview set out to blacken his name from the beginning. Hopefully he gets sacked. He criticised the amount of money he spent, what he bought, he said the mistake at the German award ceremony only served to help ruin his reputation more. How terrible can it be to not know German? He even criticised the way he concieved and raises his children. He threw in untruthful comments like saying the crowd below were distraught a the sight of MJ nearly dropping his baby over the side. When the camera cut to the croud, they were shouting and cheering, wanting to see more of both of them. Also remember, MJ never said that he slept with that 12y/o. The boy got the bed, he slept on the floor. Watch the interview again and you'll see that that was never mentioned until it appeared in the tabloids then next day. And when he said that you should share your bed, he was not saying that you should get children into bed with you. He was speaking about doing all you can to help a person in need. Why do we have to believe it when someone reads it from the bible, but it's the ravings of a lunatic when MJ says it?
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From: Freek Zilla Sent: 04/02/2003 14:42
I DONT CARE MICHAEL JACKSON RULES !!!
LET HIM LIVE HIS LIFE !!!
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From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 14:43
I like his music..I don't buy his posters...been a fan of his music for 30 years..i'm not that interested in his private life or what he looks like.
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From: sd3 Sent: 04/02/2003 14:43
the point still confuses me that they are soooooooo white enen the new borne child is white now if the mother whom he let slip last night may of been black then that child would definately be coulour in some repect. i find it very hard to believe that a man who thinks or would like to believe that he he is peter pan knows how to give his sperm up to artifically insemate anyone
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From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 14:43
Gene, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I'm sure you're not the only one to find him sexy.
But please understand that to me he looks like a rather talented rancid corpse.
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From: Tye Sent: 04/02/2003 14:44
I dont think those kids are his.
Is'nt it true that Michael had his thingy removed though? so how would it be possible for him to have kids?
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From: face_value Sent: 04/02/2003 14:44
THE MEDIA ONLY SHOWS WHAT THEY WANT TO SHOW!
Don't judge people by their cover.
Kind regards
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From: Saralee Sent: 04/02/2003 14:44
MJ is free to do whatever he wants to do. will you all leave him alone
I'll be sure to apply that to the next person arrested for being a paedophile
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From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 14:45
Vitiligo is progressive and it wouldn't mean that his children would be born white. If they did get it, it would develop and get progressively worse but it isn't hereditary.
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From: grut Sent: 04/02/2003 14:45
Iagree and all i have to say is MJ is one of the best musicians in the world, who has totally lost out on his childhood, and it looks like to me he is making up for lost time, and a sick few individuals that think having children in a bed with them only means one thing really need to look at themselves, because i think they are the people with real problems, and to finish we the public get bombarded day to day with sex and more sex, so when you create a few perverts dont be so surprised and if the government really wanted to do something about it, you would not be able to find any kind of porn on the internet! and thats who i blame.
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From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 14:46
I don't think the babies mother is black, he looked like he just made it up as he was under pressure
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From: -=EraserX=- Sent: 04/02/2003 14:46
I think that Bashir should shut up. Ive never seen such a narrow minded idiot on tv in my life. MJ is the way he is.
He is a disgrace to this country.
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From: LovelyLadyK Sent: 04/02/2003 14:47
I watched the interview with Michael Jackson last night, along with most people in the country I think! Martin Bashir, I felt, had made up his mind before even meeting Michael Jackson, that he wasn't going to like him. Watching Michael describe his childhood was heartbreaking. He obviously has an awful lot of problems due to his upbringing and treatment by his father. I believe he's just wanting to have the childhood he never had, the friends, the fantasies, the fun. And what's wrong with that? OK, he's 44, and it's not what most 44 year old want out of life. But he's worked hard all his life giving pleasure to all his fans with his fabulous music. I for one say 'GOOD FOR YOU MICHAEL'!! He loves children, not in a perverted way, but in a way probably none of us could ever understand. He knows how painful it was to grow up without love and he's determined that no other child will have to do that while he's around to show them love and affection. And no, I don't think it's perverted to let a child sleep in his bed. If my friend's little boy stops over, he always ends up getting in with me. Children just like to have someone near them they trust. And if he was ill treating them, they wouldn't hang around, let alone cuddle up to him like they do. So, give Michael a break. And if he wants to change his appearance, well for goodness sake let him get on with it. It's his face and his money and his life. He is an extrovert, he is a bit loopy and he isn't conventional. But then he is a superstar and he is a multi millionaire and he has had a completely different life to any of us. I think he's just a very lonely man.
Kay x
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 17:51:54 GMT
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From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 14:48
Face Value
I'm sorry but your comment about the media only showing what it wants to show. Do you honestly think that MJ didn't have a final edit on that programme? There is no way that he just let ITV put together a programme without him having total artistic control over it, he's one of the most powerful guys in the world!
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From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 14:48
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only reason why people are out to ruin MJ is because his BLACK if he wasnt as successful as he was I doubt the media would be saying anything but because he is such a powerful BLACK man they don't like that and want to bring him down. The WHITE media would probably like someone like Justin TimberFAKE to take his place.
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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 14:49
Reminder this is a G rated board.
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From: Saralee Sent: 04/02/2003 14:49
face value
really you've lived Michaels life?
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From: -=EraserX=- Sent: 04/02/2003 14:50
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From: *robz* Sent: 04/02/2003 14:51
Please! lets not turn this into another race issue! this has nothing to do with the colour of MJ's skin,that is not what is being discussed! I am white and i love MJ and i have done from being about 6! I watched the documentary and i really do think that this man has something very mentally wrong with him. While trying to prove that he was a good farther, he did infact prove that he very much wasn't, and i don't think this is a reflection on his love for children. I would like to add that I don't think he would inflict any kind of abuse on a child, and I think it is more a case of MJ being naive when it comes to the 'Neverland Sleepovers'
1 more thing on the colour of his skin- do you really think that he has a disease,or has his many operations (which we saw him deny,and if you ask me,blatently lie about) changed his skin white? so don't turn this into a race issue, that is not what it is!
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From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 14:51
PrincessMO they didnt let MJ see the final edit.
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From: Pardon Sent: 04/02/2003 14:52
yeah the media would never pick on white men like Gary Glitter, Jonathon King, and Pete Townshend
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From: Tye Sent: 04/02/2003 14:52
Yeah, I agree (princessmo), people arent srcutinising Michael because of the media, its because of his action on the show and what he said yesterday! emmmmm hello
"I'm peter pan" it takes alot of security for a 44 year old man to say such a thing.
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From: _LuckySprite_ Sent: 04/02/2003 14:52
Are you lot still here?? Isn't it time for medication or something?? Afternoon nap maybe??
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From: SoulFree Sent: 04/02/2003 14:52
Well, if people are very damaged, unfortunately MPD occurs (Multiple Personality Disorder) and it can turn into a quite complex issue! There are many issues surrounding the whole thing damage, abuse, MPD that all of this shows that this is just the tip of the iceberg and believe me it gets even more murkier.....
Regards,
SoulFree
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From: obeaa Sent: 04/02/2003 14:52
Micheal jackson is soooooo OKAY... i think the western world is losing it all the love they can give each other... they are even more programmed on right and wrongs... due to want the media say... where i originate from its okay to have kids not your children in your bed... and it does not mean anything sexual... Maybe its a black love thing which the perverted white society cannot understand.... poor them no wonder there are a lot of depressed people among them..
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From: Littlej Sent: 04/02/2003 14:53
To be brutally honest, all i felt last night watching the documentry on MJ was pity and sorrow that someone with so much talent had been hurt so badly and was now being ridiculed. He is unable to have a normal life so he has created the type of life he would like to lead, choosing children as the main part of that due to their innocence of the evil world around them. They wont hurt him like others have.
I dont believe anything sexual goes on in his bed with those kids. They just love him as a friend and provider of a better world than that which they live. Those which are bring the race issue into this are pathetic and need to get the chip off their shoulder as that is irrelevant. Its about a person not a colour.
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From: _LuckySprite_ Sent: 04/02/2003 14:54
Pandy - your trigger finger must be a bit worn out by now...lol
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 18:02:41 GMT
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From: S-sOlDiEr Sent: 04/02/2003 14:54
LISTEN ALRIGHT.__________ IF U HAD KIDS WOULDN'T U WANNA HAVE THEM NEAR U AT NIGHT....
THESE KIDS ARE MICHEAL JACKSONS LIFE
I MEAN IS IT OKAY FOR HIM TO SLEEP IN THE SAME BED AS HIS OWN KIDS.....
JUST COS HES NOT RELATED TO THEM BY BLOOD THAT MAKES IT BAD.....
U PEOPLE JUST NEED TO GET A LIFE....
MICHEAL JACKSON ADORES KIDS THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT....
HE NEVER HAD MUCH OF A CHILDHOOD AND BY BEING AROUND KIDS HE'S LIVING HIS CHILDHOOD THROUGH THEM...
ITS ONLY BECAUSE MOST GUYS ARE NOT SO LOVING AND HE IS....
I THINK HES AN AMAZING PERSON AND I LOVE HIM
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From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 14:54
ROBZ MJ has got a skin disease and he aint the only one in the family to have that to. His brothers kids have it. You people should do the research before you judge.
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From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 14:55
Wild Bomber
Where did you hear that because I find it really hard to believe.
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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 14:55
fingers are finey its a bit hard on the eyes wiv all this
SHOUTING GOING ON
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From: *robz* Sent: 04/02/2003 14:55
I am sorry but that is a really pathetic comment, come on! atleast have a valid argument!
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From: Bosniak Sent: 04/02/2003 14:55
People go camping, holidaying, try to save money... they don't have any problem sharing a room and a bed together.... Why is it "abnormal" for MJ to share bed with others? Oh, I was a refugee once... shared a room with 25 people... No one thought of anyone being gay or making a pass at anyone including the women.... What's wrong with you heartless people?! YOU ARE ONE-TRACK MINDED. ALL YOU THINK IS ABOUT SEX... LOOK AT YOUR SOAPS: A BROTHER SLEEPS WITH HIS SISTER.... YOU ARE SICK! Why can't you accept it that MJ is not as obsessed with sex as you are.... LONG LIVE LOVE!!!
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From: Titchy_28plus1 Sent: 04/02/2003 14:56
LovelyLadyK - well said!
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From: Tye Sent: 04/02/2003 14:56
You know what wild bobmer,
It seems the only person here with racial issues is you, no one has dissed MJ about his colour, everyone knows his got a skin disorder. (And Justin Timberlake just so happens not to have young teenagers in his bed, thats all.)
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From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 14:57
I have vitiligo like MJ but it's strange that his colour is so uniform, normally the pigment loss occurs in patches
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From: Chrill Sent: 04/02/2003 14:57
I think that Michael Jackson is/was a musical genius, which attributes to his eccentric nature and strange ways.
Whilst I do think that it is weird for him to get into bed with kids sexual or not, I also think that the press like nothing more that to have a good drama, I always take everything the papers etc say with a pinch of salt, who are we to judge what MJ does in private. Unless a complaint emerges from one of these kids or their parents then I think that MJ should be left alone to ge on with his lonely life.
I also think that his awful childhood has a lot to do with the way he behaves and feels so comfortable with kids. I think the guy needs help, but maybe it is too late for him to be offered it.
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From: MisSpentYouth Sent: 04/02/2003 14:57
I thought it was shocking the way that Jackson talked about his children as 'gifts' from surrogate mothers and he then talked about getting one from every continent, as it they were acquisitions, like new features in his theme park. He also lied about them being his children, when they are all clearly born from white parents. He also complemented a Spanish girl, saying 'the Spanish, lovely looking people'. He seems desperate not to look black. He said he'd only had work done on his nose but as Sarah Cox put it, on her Radio One Breakfast show this morning, he looks as though he's got a Cadbury's Cream Egg in each cheek! He's lost his afro hair. He now has thin, pink lips, a white face, neck and hands, (the rest of his body is always covered) and his nose has been operated on so many times, it's almost been removed entirely!
It seems that his father's abuse made him loathe his self-image to the point that he has had to create his own mask-like face and when he talked about his father's appearance, he mentioned that he had blue eyes, as though it was something his father had bragged about, i.e. that looking more European was something to be proud of and to aspire to. He also sleeps with children, which might be harmless but needs to be investigated fully but the nature of the interview with the 12 year old boy seemed strained and oddly conspiratorial. They held hands half-way through, like it was something they had to endure or overcome. The boy had just got over cancer and said that Michael had helped him to fight it. I couldn't help thinking that Jackson had paid for his cancer treatment and so had bought him too, effectively, like he had his own children.
His transparent lies were evidence of having never been questioned, as he lives in a world full of hired-hands, sycophants who are paid to go along with his madness. If he lost his wealth he'd have to be sectioned but with it he can buy a fairytale existence and the characters to act out its roles. He is denying those children the right to any normal existence. I wonder if their mothers were watching?!
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From: face_value Sent: 04/02/2003 14:58
I agree!
He is a truely wonderful fella xxxx
Kind regards
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From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 14:59
PrincessMO Uri Geller told GMTV that MJ was worried cause they wouldnt allow him to see the final cut. He also stressed that Martin could of sold him out. As I said before do the research.
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From: face_value Sent: 04/02/2003 14:59
WELL PUT!
Kind regards
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From: lil.devil Sent: 04/02/2003 14:59
mj is nothing more than a kid himself.he has never grown up...we should just leave him be...
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 18:14:11 GMT
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From: andriap Sent: 04/02/2003 15:00
Will people just shut up and leave michael alone!
people who say he is capable of doin god knows wot to kids are just narrow minded!
its obvious he hasnt had the most normal life,so give it a rest!
if the childrens parents allow their children to sleep at jacksons house,thats their decision-NOT YOURS!!!
he needs all the help and support he can get n even if the whole world turned their backs on him,i'd still be his No1 fan!!!!
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From: face_value Sent: 04/02/2003 15:01
WELL PUT XXXX
Kind regards
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From: jadedondada Sent: 04/02/2003 15:01
i really dont know wot d dillio is. i mean if dt is how micheal wants
to live his life den so be it. i dont know why d press is bothern demselves
with micheal i think they should sort out their family problems first.
i'm outtie
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From: catherine4736 Sent: 04/02/2003 15:01
I completly agree , i was listening to the radio this morning and the two guys on there were slaughtering mj to bits it was like did we watch the same programme here .i honestly believe he is living his lost childhood through the children
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From: Tye Sent: 04/02/2003 15:02
Sorry lil devil, but a man at 44 acting like a kid and not accepting that his actions are potetially damaging to kids and himself should not be left alon, what he needs is some seriel help!
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From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 15:02
MisSpentYouth
I was thinking the same thing earlier but thought I might be being a bit harse. There was so much emphasis on him owning things last night, his suites in Las Vegas were full of stuff, the kids from each continent thing was weird as well. He flew round that shop and bought the lot even though he already had some of the stuff, he just bought it again.
He obviously has never had to justify himself to anyone before, he was so angry in the last interview and behaved like a naughty child by humming and looking away when Bashir asked him questions. He acts like a spoilt kid and I think there is a much darker side to his sweetness and light attitude.
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From: sd3 Sent: 04/02/2003 15:03
i dont want this to be taken as a racest comment as its not want i want it to sound like i feel that poeple of all coulours can be brought up by each other. My argument is that ok MJ has a skin condition and IF it is a family trate may i just add its a little early in years for all his children to have it and a bit unlucky may i add. I feel he loves his children to pieces but i think his whole out look on life will be the ruin of those innocent young babies.what life do they have away from the money and the cameras they have no mother or mother figure to give them extra love and support.
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From: Barnip Sent: 04/02/2003 15:03
Let's not loose sight of reality here people, whether Michael is good, bad or ugly, there are a lot of people out there in positions of trust and high public regard bangin kiddies.
It is not a good message to give to any kid, regardless of your opinion of any single person, that sharing a bed with a 44 year old man just coz you're friends is healthy and normal.
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From: Dee_lite Sent: 04/02/2003 15:03
Michael, from what I saw, seems to be good around children and I don't think he would sexually abuse them. However, when he blatantly lied about his looks, wanting us to believe that he only had 2 operations to his nose - it made me think what else could he be lying about?
I don't think I'd believe anything that man said - he needs help badly. I also wonder how he'll cope when his OWN children become adults? God help them.
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From: Angel Face Sent: 04/02/2003 15:03
We are all so easily swayed towards an opinion, by they way something is put to us its sickening!!!For instance if i said i slept with my mate the other night? could it not be remotley possible that i meant in the same bed, not sexually?. The media have a lot to blame for this! they use sex to sell everything hence why it is now virtually embedded in our heads. I hope you can see where iam going with this. Michael wants something different from life, some of us are just scared to speak out for what we want.He wants to create a world were children can grow up happy, were people can really believe in dreams, yes i will agree he is an extrovert but who cares?. All around the world we have set up youth clubs, childrens days anything to keep them happy and occupied, yes? he is doing the same but in his own way. The children go to his house for a sleep, sleep in his bed yes, but lets re - phrase that, everything of Michaels is his correct?? so yes they did sleep in his bed, one of them, the man has more than one bedroom???He is creating somewhere for children to always feel welcome and loved i do not see any danger or harm in that,. He is but a child himself no more no less, He doesnt want to be apart of the adult world, most of us dont at points in our life. We all dream of how easy it was when we were younger care free and no worrys, Michael wants to stay in that world , so let him. He has given the world so much happyness and entertainment now its his turn. Leave him be we have our own worrys and more serious things to deal with rather thaan a man who just loves children and being happy.............
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From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 15:04
The man hasnt done one crime, not one crime but the white media are still quick to praise prats like Robbie Williams who is the biggest drugy in the industry.
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From: Chrill Sent: 04/02/2003 15:04
Of course he needs help, who wouldn't having suffered a childhood like his!!
Chrill Ansell
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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:05
From: wallyollie (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 15:04
The Michael Jackson ITV program was the most horrific thing I have ever seen. Why you all ask? Not because of Michael Jackson, but because of the bias nature. Who has the right to judge Michael Jackson, In my opinion Michael Jackson is a person who unfortunately has been turned into a media monster. Is this all really news worthy??? (Potential War or “Jacko gone wacko”?) Front page of most tabloids and miss quoted in full my all of them. Michael Jackson did not say he has sexual relationships with the children that stay in his bed room. Admittedly it is not normal behavior to spend most of his time with people quarter his age, but in essence I feel that Michael Jackson has missed his childhood due to mass media attention and is therefore stuck in this stage of his life. I think if he is harming no-one then everyone should leave him alone and do something constructive with their lives except reading heat, ok, the sun, the mirror etc! Educate yourselves; stop being manipulated and spoon fed information.
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From: Chrill Sent: 04/02/2003 15:06
This discussion has nothing to do with being white or black Bomber!
Chrill Ansell
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From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 15:06
You're trusting Uri Geller?
I'm just saying, if you were worth over a billion dollars and were generally seen a a freak, would you willingly participate in a documentary and then not check it before it went on TV.
I do agree that Martin Bashir was trying his hardest to put wors in MJs mouth at times, especially about being buried in that gold tomb thing. He wasn't very subtle really!
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 18:21:06 GMT
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From: obeaa Sent: 04/02/2003 15:07
robz do get a life to be precise try and broaden your horizon and maybe you will understand our trend of thought be it coulour or ortherwise..... MIcheal is sooo with it.. try Graham nNorton... he is soooo Graham.. a nutter
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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:08
From: nickye (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 15:05
well i think mj would have just be the way he is but what has happen has happen. for black and whrite stuff. is always like that if it is one of them it will be a classtifed one. well he is a big boy and he is cool about it.
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From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 15:09
Chrill you''d be shocked how wrong you are. The media are out to destroy him and there is only 1 reason for that.
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From: grut Sent: 04/02/2003 15:09
You should look at what you are saying ,you are the one who needs help with comments like that.
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From: face_value Sent: 04/02/2003 15:09
Lovelyladyk, what can I say MY EXACT WORDS.
I SECOND IT XXXXXXX
Kind regards
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From: jaynelesley Sent: 04/02/2003 15:09
I totally agree with your statement LovelyLadyK
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From: grut Sent: 04/02/2003 15:10
Yes money
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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:10
wildbomber has it actually occured to you that people might think the guy is a loony regardless of skin colour? dont you think he has behaved in some rather strange ways? regardless of skin colour? have you any input in fact that isnt based on skin colour?
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From: Tye Sent: 04/02/2003 15:10
emmmmmm......................let me guesse Bomber,
its because my mans black, is that what you were gonna state.
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From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 15:13
It has everything to do with him being black, not just any old black man but one who is so powerful in the industry. All your views is based on the media. you guys don't know him your only going on what you have read or watched which always can be edited to create a negative view.
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From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 15:15
They have been doing it for years. If they fear that a black icon is gaining to much power then ATTACK with the media to change peoples views. I don't want to even go into detail about peeps its happen to.
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From: michelle37 Sent: 04/02/2003 15:15
I think he has lost his childhood and is now relieveing it as an adult! I have kids and i think if my kids said they wanted to sleep with a 45 yr old guy i would be asking some serious questions about that person!!
The thing i found more wierd , was the fact that his children are all white and his son has blonde hair. Now in my experiance, if you have a black father and white mother surely you would be half cast at least!!!
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From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 15:16
Cause I would be here for days!
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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:16
All your views is based on the media. you guys don't know him your only going on what you have read or watched which always can be edited to create a negative view.
are you telling us that all that facial surgery and skin bleaching he has had done is fake and he really still looks as he did before all this was done?
are you telling us he hasnt gone through strange "marriages" where there is no real relationship?
are you telling us these children he has are not at risk in any way, after seeing them dangled from a balcony?
What about his refusal to grow up?
The guy maybe a musical genius but that doesnt make him God, black or white.
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From: In-a-dilEmma Sent: 04/02/2003 15:16
You know whilst I watched Michael Jackson talking I couldn't help but think how sad that with all that success, wealth and talent he lives such an empty life. He must take satisfaction in knowing the joy he has brought to the world but even so it appeared that being Michael Jackson is not an easy existance. You can't blame him for trying to recreate a childhood he was never allowed to have. On the issue of sleeping with children, this is a normal healthy practice within a family or extended family siutation. For a grown man to befriend a child as opposed to their parents or families is where the perception of his intention is questioned. I don't know the truth, only those involved do, however, I think it's clear for the world to see he has had more than a couple of nose jobs and if he can sit and deny that it makes you question the truth in everything else.
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 18:41:16 GMT
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From: Barnip Sent: 04/02/2003 15:16
Are these the same "They" that attack when they think a child molester is getting to famous, rich and powerful?
Oh the bastards!
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From: Tye Sent: 04/02/2003 15:16
To be frank,
I did feel for him because of his child hood and every thing. I know that alot of people would disagree with me but at times it seemed as though he was provoking it ( the crititism) with all of his dodgy comments, you'd think that by now he'd know the entertainment business and would know how to act and behave accordingly.
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From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 15:16
Wild Bomber
And what are you going on? Are you a regular at Neverland? I realise you have to give peole the benefit of the doubt but at times last night he was frightening, you can't honestly say the way he behaved in Berlin was normal, he seemed really manic!
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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:17
They have been doing it for years. If they fear that a black icon is gaining to much power then ATTACK with the media to change peoples views. I don't want to even go into detail about peeps its happen to.
He has already been about the biggest superstar he could possibly have been, so your point is.........?
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From: Kyrri Glinkwoski Sent: 04/02/2003 15:17
Vitiligo is a real disease, it is rare but not un heard of, many people suffer from it, it attacks the pigment, in black it oftens taks the colour in white it can add colour i have a small patch on my arm that is browner than the rest of me and I am all white with white parents etc, i dont think it is due to his ops he did or didnt have, and i dont believe that he bleached his skin as was the romour many years ago when i was a kid, it can i beleive attack in many stages from just small amounts like the patch on my arm to taking the whole pigmant totally as in MJ's case, as for the rest, i can see both points of views there is soo much child abuse being thrown around now days that people are bound to be uneasy at the thought of a 44 yr old man having 14 yr olds stay in his room, i would be a little concerned too, but i dont believe MJ is 44 yrs old, he is a 14 yr old trapped in a 44yr old body, like he said in the programe he is peter pan, he never grew up, having his childhood taken away from him so young he is using his time now to get that back and whgat better way of being a child than to spend time with children, he is himself as innocent as those kidds and that i think is why he cant see why so many are worried about the kidds staying,, would u bat an eyelid if your 14 yr old son was staying in the same room as his 14 yr old friend when he stayed at his house? would his parents worrie if he was staying in your sons room when he stayed over? no why because they are two 14 yr old boys that are mates, ok maybe they wouldnt share the bed as a couple of girls might, but neither did MJ he made it perfectly clear that he slept on the floor apart from odd occasions when more than one stayed n they read stories n curled up with warm milk etc, he believes he is a kidd and i think he really is regressed into his lost childhood, however i dont think he is such a good father, being so young and nieve at mind he cannot see the damage he could be causing his kidds, there is gonna be a lot of identity crisis with them when they are older having to ware maskes not let people see them etc hows that gonna make um feel when they are older how are they gonna cope showing them selves? blanket should not have been hung out the window, they wanted to see the baby so he could have stood by the window and held it up not dangled it ouyt the window, the leg bouncing while feeding it was a very aggitated reaction usually a sub concious one, he wasnt comfortable feeding him or feeding him infront of the camara and so shouldnt have dun it the camaras should have been turned off, thezoo trip, i can understand a father wanting to take his kidds to the zoo but not like that, it should have been dun on a whim so know one knew untill it happened there would have been a lot less press, and i think fans and press could show a little more respect, the poor kidds, i dont think he shouldn't take them as its part of bonding and giving them a fun day with dad but the sapossed fans all crowding like that and the press all crowding like that .. hey he is only human your know, ok so he is a big star whoopty doo, give him some space let him enjoy a day with his kidds would u like crowds around u squashing u into the fence hurting your kidds and possibly frightening them so why do it to him. i think he has a very complex and complecated life and should be left to it as he sees fit as long as he isnt harming others or himself who cares what he is doing?!
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From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 15:18
WILDBOMBER - I agree with you, just LEAVE HIM BE!! After all it's only because he's famous!
Michelle37 - I stated earlier on that the colour of mother, father & child does not come into it, I have a black freind with a totally white daughter, whiter than me & both my parents are white! It's called genes!
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From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 15:19
Who gives 2 craps about what he has done to his face, look at Cher for Gods sake.
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From: desertbadger Sent: 04/02/2003 15:19
MJ himself said that the world is full of people filled with arrogance and I myself think he is right.I also saw the programme last night about mj and saw infront of me a man full of love and compassion for the children in his care.And just because a boy of 12 is sleeping in the same room, not bed people judge him as a pervert.Would people judge the same if the boy slept in a different room?Then it is the same when you have your childs friend over to stay.
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From: guru Sent: 04/02/2003 15:19
I am an African. You must no that child abuse is very rare in Africa. I think western society is obssesed with sex. May be that is why this guy Michael is constantly molested by press. In Africa its common that parents sleep on the same bed with their kids. Partly bcause of poor living condition, Partly because of parent-child love. I was brought up the same way myself and as far i could remember i was never molested.
If you don,t have strong prove, why all the noise ?
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From: Tye Sent: 04/02/2003 15:20
Gee Bomber,
I take it that your a close friend of MJ seeing as we all seem to be wrong, so you must get all your info stright from the horses mouth (MJ himself), if you dont acumilate all your info from the media.
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From: michelle37 Sent: 04/02/2003 15:20
The can you explain the blonde hair, surely that cant be right!!!!
Message 733 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Phil18553 Sent: 04/02/2003 15:21
Watching the (disappointing) TV programme, I found myself feeling sorry for him, wanting to put a brotherly arm around his shoulders and invite him to talk about his feelings. Clearly, his upbringing has left emotional wounds, as yet unhealed.
One day, I suspect, he will seek psychiatric help, and the wealth will only delay that process, since he can afford expensive coping strategies, such as Neverland, shopping sprees, and the like.
Many talented and successful people are emotional wrecks, whose pain is eased by self-indulgence, devoting themselves to the acquisition of wealth, or both.
It is always the case that an individual decides for himself that some kind of intervention is desirable - psychologists and psychiatrists refer to people "coming to therapy" for good reason. Psychotherapy only works if the subject recognises that it will benefit them.
Despite outward appearances, an educated guess says MJ suffers from extremely low self-esteem, leading to a need to be loved by others. However, before one can really give and receive love, one first has to love oneself - and that isn't some psychobabble fashion statement, it's a cornerstone of just about every major religion and school of philosophical thought. (The Christian version is "love thy neighbour AS THYSELF" (my caps for emphasis.)
Surrounding himself with possessions is, in fact, not drawing attention to himself - he's not saying "Hey - look at me," he's actually saying "Please DON'T look at me - look at what I've got..." which is simply an extreme version of more socially-acceptable behaviours.
The less-civilised side of me says "Oh, for goodness sake, grow up." The trained, and I hope, more civilised, less judgmental side wants to help him - but no help can be given unless and until he wants it and seeks it.
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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:22
Who gives 2 craps about what he has done to his face, look at Cher for Gods sake.
yes a very beautiful woman, even if some of it was achieved by surgery.
But lets face it, she didnt have her skin bleached, she didnt hang babies off balconies and she didnt believe she was peter pan (or wendy)
You are the one going on about the media having something against him because he is black. I am saying no one cared in the Thriller days, he was a massive star, indeed, he still is, but he is ODD too. Doesnt matter if you are black or your white.
Message 735 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 15:22
Michelle 37 - A lot of babies are born with naturally blonde hair, I was, I'm now mousey brown, brown, my son was born with blonde hair, he has now darkened.
Message 736 of 1186 in Discussion
From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 15:23
Im off but all your negative views are based on the White Media. It controls all of you and I hope you lot still continue to hate on a Black Genius.
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 18:49:02 GMT
Message 737 of 1186 in Discussion
From: assmaster Sent: 04/02/2003 15:23
If he loves children so much, then why would he in his own addmission snatch a child straight from the womb even when there were problems with the birth. There could have been serious problems afterwards, but all he was worried about was not hearing bad news. How selfish. That child could have died because he was so desperate for his new toy and that he didn't want to hear it may be faulty. Clearly with an attitude like that those children are in danger. Bad things happen. You can't just burry your head in the sand because you don't want to hear it and bad things don't happen in neverland.
Message 738 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Tye Sent: 04/02/2003 15:24
Okay Guru,
Its fine if you share a bed with your family members, but a 44 year old man with a young 12/13 year old boy, common! if nothing happened thats good , but jacko is really crucifying himself by putting himself in those situations!
(1 recommendation so far) Message 739 of 1186 in Discussion
From: face_value Sent: 04/02/2003 15:24
Black/White no f***ing colour we are all a nation.
It's weak of people who regard people because of their race. Most families nowadays have mixed race families, Do we love our families any less because of their colour...? NO!
Except people for whom they are, don't expect changes in people because you don't like who they are. Learn by them. xxxxxxx
Peace to you all xxxxxxx
(1 recommendation so far) Message 740 of 1186 in Discussion
From: skyangelo2 Sent: 04/02/2003 15:25
i think only tiny minded and pea sized brain individuals will interprete what MJ said about being in bed with kids as having sexual relationship with them.all those who jump at that conclusion instantly need to check themselves because it sounds as if they r the ones who need serious help. also why shouldn't he spend the money he worked hard to get how he wants. we r living in a very cynical society and with the rate its going it will explode in our faces. also it seems to me that the media only pick on easy targets to increase their sales and viewers. go on Mike, do what u do best, make good music, make the money, spend it how u want to so long it doesn't hurt ur next door neighbour and make people around the world happy.
Message 741 of 1186 in Discussion
From: bacardiguzzler Sent: 04/02/2003 15:26
Wildbomber
Not really accurate to say that just because MJ is black AND successful, the media have to attack him. Take a look at Princess Di, we all know where she ended up. There's an endless list of celebs in the same boat, Posh, Becks, Madonna. I think they get as much slating as MJ so I think the colour issue is a load of pants!!!
Message 742 of 1186 in Discussion
From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:26
Im off but all your negative views are based on the White Media. It controls all of you and I hope you lot still continue to hate on a Black Genius.
There is no difference to me, people are people the world over. I contend that you have a serious issue with colour yourself, and that you do black people everywhere no favours by your behaviour here today.
Message 743 of 1186 in Discussion
From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 15:26
Pandy explain to me how on Earth can you have your skin bleached. He has a disease get over it you hater he evens out his look through makeup.......
Message 744 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Barnip Sent: 04/02/2003 15:27
MJ fan or not, it's important that you live in the real world. There are a lot of kiddie touchers out there, whether he is specifically is not the point. It is horribly irresponsible of the parents of these people, and of Michael, to allow kids to share a bed with a grown man. I'd like to believe that he's not guilty of anything, but teaching kids that it's healthy and normal to sleep with an adult just coz they're friends is going to cause huge problems.
Message 745 of 1186 in Discussion
From: NNGirlie Sent: 04/02/2003 15:28
Some people are so blind and ignorant its unbelievable.(not to mention out on school holidays or something)
Pandy - Why do you bother Hun!
Message 746 of 1186 in Discussion
From: garry28 Sent: 04/02/2003 15:28
In this day and age of child abuse everyone has to be on their guard. Sure it's probably very innocent Jackson sleeping with kids. His own yes, but not others. It's our duty as responsible adults to err on the cautious and always put the kids first not the whims of a popstar adult who dousn't live in the real world and is almost totally detached from everyday realitiy and concerns. He has so much money he can do almost anything he likes and no one points the finger till it's too late. Remember Gary Glitter, loved by all! In an ideal world we'd love to trust everybody but for every good person there is a least one bad. So in my opinion if kids are to be safe we can't give into the like of Jackson's beliefs, even though very innocent. It just takes one child to be sexually abused and that's one too much.
Message 747 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Chrill Sent: 04/02/2003 15:28
Wow, i wish i could be as close to MJ as you are Bomber and know everything about everything, must be great to be you!!
Chrill Ansell
Message 748 of 1186 in Discussion
From: PartyNaked Sent: 04/02/2003 15:28
Disease my arse!
Vitiligo turns your skin PINK, not ghostly white!
Message 749 of 1186 in Discussion
From: *Satine* Sent: 04/02/2003 15:28
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From: NNGirlie Sent: 04/02/2003 15:29
Skin bleaching occurs more than you seem to think my young friend.
There was a documentary on not so long ago and skin bleaching creams are readily avaliable under the counter for a price.
Message 751 of 1186 in Discussion
From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:29
Pandy explain to me how on Earth can you have your skin bleached. He has a disease get over it you hater he evens out his look through makeup.......
Well Im no expert in surgery, but I believe its called a chemical peel. He has a disease which does not act uniformly all over, yet over the years he has gone from being a greate looking man, to being as white as a ghost. Please also tell me where I have said I hate anyone? I dont hate the guy, I just think hes lost the plot over the years.
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 18:58:51 GMT
Message 752 of 1186 in Discussion
From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 15:29
Don't give me that crap about us being one nation people don't think like that! Certainly not down my way in Essex can't even walk down the street without a racist comment being thrown at you.
Message 753 of 1186 in Discussion
From: NNGirlie Sent: 04/02/2003 15:30
What BS.
Message 754 of 1186 in Discussion
From: HELLSNOANGEL Sent: 04/02/2003 15:30
They have been doing it for years. If they fear that a black icon is gaining to much power then ATTACK with the media to change peoples views. I don't want to even go into detail about peeps its happen to.
Personally I don't care if he's black or white, just like he said himself.
This is not a race issue, so don't try to make it one.
It's not as if he's the only famous person who's been accused of SUSPECTED peodphilia.
Why should we give him the benifit of the doubt JUST because he's black.
Personally **ap like that really offends me.
Message 755 of 1186 in Discussion
From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:33
Don't give me that crap about us being one nation people don't think like that! Certainly not down my way in Essex can't even walk down the street without a racist comment being thrown at you.
Well I have never thrown a racist comment in my life, nor would I, and frankly you dont know me so you cant comment on what I think. People do think like that, and if they dont IN THIS FORUM then they get booted, by ME. So now, if you hate whitey matey, then you have a form of racism also. Is that not so?
Now, if you get racist comments thrown at you, regardless of being black, you could be Irish and it still counts, you complain about said person to race relation board, thats what it is for.
Message 756 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Mars33 Sent: 04/02/2003 15:34
Ok, let's try this another way. Would you let your child stay over with someone you don't know? Not in a hundred million years. If just some person suggested sharing his bed with children, most people wanted him jailed after slicing his balls off. And do we know Michael Jackson? Apart from videoclips, concerts and this interview? No.
(1 recommendation so far) Message 757 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Kyrri Glinkwoski Sent: 04/02/2003 15:34
Vitiligo is a real disease, it is rare but not un heard of, many people suffer from it, it attacks the pigment, in black it oftens takes the colour in white it can add colour i have a small patch on my arm that is browner than the rest of me and I am all white with white parents etc, i dont think it is due to his ops he did or didnt have, and i dont believe that he bleached his skin as was the romour many years ago when i was a kid, it can i beleive attack in many stages from just small amounts like the patch on my arm to taking the whole pigmant totally as in MJ's case, as for the rest, i can see both points of views there is soo much child abuse being thrown around now days that people are bound to be uneasy at the thought of a 44 yr old man having 14 yr olds stay in his room, i would be a little concerned too, but i dont believe MJ is 44 yrs old, he is a 14 yr old trapped in a 44yr old body, like he said in the programe he is peter pan, he never grew up, having his childhood taken away from him so young he is using his time now to get that back and whgat better way of being a child than to spend time with children, he is himself as innocent as those kidds and that i think is why he cant see why so many are worried about the kidds staying,, would u bat an eyelid if your 14 yr old son was staying in the same room as his 14 yr old friend when he stayed at his house? would his parents worrie if he was staying in your sons room when he stayed over? no why because they are two 14 yr old boys that are mates, ok maybe they wouldnt share the bed as a couple of girls might, but neither did MJ he made it perfectly clear that he slept on the floor apart from odd occasions when more than one stayed n they read stories n curled up with warm milk etc, he believes he is a kidd and i think he really is regressed into his lost childhood, however i dont think he is such a good father, being so young and nieve at mind he cannot see the damage he could be causing his kidds, there is gonna be a lot of identity crisis with them when they are older having to ware maskes not let people see them etc hows that gonna make um feel when they are older how are they gonna cope showing them selves? blanket should not have been hung out the window, they wanted to see the baby so he could have stood by the window and held it up not dangled it ouyt the window, the leg bouncing while feeding it was a very aggitated reaction usually a sub concious one, he wasnt comfortable feeding him or feeding him infront of the camara and so shouldnt have dun it the camaras should have been turned off, thezoo trip, i can understand a father wanting to take his kidds to the zoo but not like that, it should have been dun on a whim so know one knew untill it happened there would have been a lot less press, and i think fans and press could show a little more respect, the poor kidds, i dont think he shouldn't take them as its part of bonding and giving them a fun day with dad but the sapossed fans all crowding like that and the press all crowding like that .. hey he is only human your know, ok so he is a big star whoopty doo, give him some space let him enjoy a day with his kidds would u like crowds around u squashing u into the fence hurting your kidds and possibly frightening them so why do it to him. i think he has a very complex and complecated life and should be left to it as he sees fit as long as he isnt harming others or himself who cares what he is doing?!... as for his kids they reckon his hair was bleached that colour to add to the not recognising bit! and if you listened properly to the film things like the blue eyes his father had so the blue eyes could be from his dads genes etc.! some of the things u people are saying have already been answered quite clearly in his documentary u have just chosen to ignore them!
Message 758 of 1186 in Discussion
From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 15:34
What about people who work with mentally ill kids professionally why not call them peodphilia cause you lot have no proof MJ has done anything to kids. I dint see how its so wrong to care for children, don;t matter it they aint yours look at doctors they aint realated to everyone they work with!
Message 759 of 1186 in Discussion
From: PrincessMo Sent: 04/02/2003 15:34
I have vitiligo Kazza and it turns your skin white, you lose the pigment altogether and Pandy is right, it isn't uniform, it's patchy
Message 760 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Barnip Sent: 04/02/2003 15:35
On the skin disease front, if you are rich and your dark skin gets blotches of white scarring that can't be permanently reversed, aren't you entitled to cover that by having the rest of your skin bleached to match? We know the guy has issues about his appearence, so why should he show off his blotches?
Message 761 of 1186 in Discussion
From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:35
It's not as if he's the only famous person who's been accused of SUSPECTED peodphilia.
Yes ACCUSED not CONVICTED - innocent until proven guilty. My comments are not in regard to child abuse, just his general behaviour. I also had to ask people not to call him a paedo about 500 posts ago, but of course I dont supose wildbomber would accept that I try to be fair regardless of colour.
Message 762 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Pardon Sent: 04/02/2003 15:36
'Disease my arse!'
Don't suppose that was a request Kezza?
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From: WildBomber Sent: 04/02/2003 15:38
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From: PartyNaked Sent: 04/02/2003 15:38
Sorry, my mistake.....
Although I do agree with Pandy in thinking that he bleaches his skin. A colleague of mine came up with something strange as well today. You never see his body past the top of his neck. All you see is his hands and head! He is always wearing military style tops done up right to the top. Her theory is that the rest of his body is still black! Either that or he's covered in thick black hair! He didn't own Bubbles, he IS Bubbles
Message 765 of 1186 in Discussion
From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:39
Tell me this isnt a good looking man? would you say he is good looking today? I wouldnt. Frankly, if it was JUST the skin colouring thing, I would agree, no reason why he should bleach it to match if he felt strongly about it. But hes had a lot of other stuff done too, you can see he has.
Message 766 of 1186 in Discussion
From: NNGirlie Sent: 04/02/2003 15:39
The fact is its not seen as "Normal" for a 44 year old man to share a bedroom (notice I say bedroom and not bed here people) with a 12 year old boy. Especially if you are not related. End of story.
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 19:07:42 GMT
Message 767 of 1186 in Discussion From: bacardiguzzler Sent: 04/02/2003 15:39 Wildbomber Thats the sanest thing I've heard you say so far, although your issues on race are disturbing, but sadly you're probably not the only one in the country to have strong issues as such. I agree that some kids need looking after and if MJ wants to provide a fairytale environment for under-privaleged kids then thats fine by me. Shame it has to be in such a disturbing way! Message 768 of 1186 in Discussion From: VariableRuby Sent: 04/02/2003 15:40
please delete my e mail address from your files urgently
Message 769 of 1186 in Discussion From: Jenni_edin Sent: 04/02/2003 15:40 Its not the fact that he has had surgery, its the fact that MJ can not addmit?? does he really think we zip up the back? you can tell as soon as u look at his face??? and as for his skin colour aswell u can tell with that but why say u havent when clearly u have, theres something really not right? and as for Peter Pan if any person with a normal job was to say they were Peter Pan, they would be throwing in a padded cell!!!! i think it is not at all right about Kids staying over at his house! i feel for him for his bad childhood but taking it out on other people's kids that is so wrong its unbelivable! people who belive he is a nice man would never do that open up ur pretty eyes and look at everything its all there infront of you your to blind to see!! WACKO JACKO!!!!! Message 770 of 1186 in Discussion From: face_value Sent: 04/02/2003 15:41 I'm sorry you feel that way! Move to Birmingham, we are happy lovable folksxxxxx Message 771 of 1186 in Discussion From: Poppy2 Sent: 04/02/2003 15:41 My mum has vitiligo, although she is white, her face is now a deathly colour of white because of the disease. When her face was patchy, she used to cover it up with make-up, I know that if she had been coloured, it would obviously been more noticable. Message 772 of 1186 in Discussion From: CHEEKYMONKEY Sent: 04/02/2003 15:42 I THINK ITS TOTALLY IRREGULAR TO GO TO BED WITH OTHER CHILDREN THAN YOUR OWN. IT IS NOT CORRECT. I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT HE IS A BIT DISTURBED BUT HE IS ONLY GONNA MAKE HIS CHILDREN AS MENTAL AS HIM, BY STICKING MASKS ON THEM ALL THE TIME.. THIS CANNOT BE RIGHT ! Message 773 of 1186 in Discussion From: randy mullet Sent: 04/02/2003 15:42 There are 2 explainations to jacko. 1) He's completely crazy and needs help or 2) Due to the fact that he was abused a child could it be he just want to protect kids from his own nightmares. To be honest I havent a clue but one thing is for sure If hes not had a plastic surgery then Ill show my arse in Burtons window Randy mullet Message 774 of 1186 in Discussion From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:42 Variable Ruby How do I stop getting News messages via email? Simply send an email to News-remove@groups.msn.com no message is necessary. To change your email settings go to Member Tools and then Check your Email Settings groups.msn.com/News/_emailsettings.msnw. Message 775 of 1186 in Discussion From: Jenni_edin Sent: 04/02/2003 15:44 PANDY!!
he is accused but no-one will ever find out the truth but it is soo clear, he has got to muhc of the green stuff for anyone ever to find out what he is really like Message 776 of 1186 in Discussion From: face_value Sent: 04/02/2003 15:44 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Psychology theory. What you may see as unnattractive other see as attractrive. Do your research xxx Message 777 of 1186 in Discussion From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:46 Jenni, it is just as likely someone had their greedy eye on his "green stuff" as it is likely that there was any substance to that case. No, we probably will never know the truth, but until convicted, he is innocent, To date, ten years have gone by and he has not been convicted. Message 778 of 1186 in Discussion From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 15:46 WACKO JACKO MAYBE JENNI EDIN but aren't we all a little peculiar? None of you have the faintest idea about me, I could be a serial killer for all you lot know!
Mis-judgement!! People make their minds up on first impressions before they know the person. Message 779 of 1186 in Discussion From: Dee_lite Sent: 04/02/2003 15:47 For a 44 year old man to say he's Peter Pan and to speak in a high pitched girly voice and behave like a naughty, adolescent school boy .. 'aint right! He completely disregarded the mother(s) of his children as if they were meaningless - oh yes MJ, how very loving. The fact that he ran out of the hospital with his new born baby covered in placenta .. says it all!! MJ is deranged and those who stick up for him need their heads examined. Hanging a baby over a 30 ft balcony and then feeding the poor wee mite in such a frantic way .. was horrible to watch. The baby looked terrified. The masks and shrouds that cover their faces will no doubt affect them deeply in years to come. Behind that little facade of MJ's is a sinister man and the one remark that showed his true colours was when he thought his baby might be ill and he said "Oh God, don't let ME have a deformed baby". ME, ME ME!!!!!! Message 780 of 1186 in Discussion From: Dave O Sent: 04/02/2003 15:49 The white media?? a few people seem to be narrowing this problem down to a race issue, get over it, no one is thinking about skin colour here, except you. i don't know how closely you watched that documentry but did you happen to notice the skin colour of the interviewer?? how many celebs in the uk are now being destroyed by the press for alleged child porn, the vast majority are white, who cares what colour they are? if they did it they did it. i personaly think MJ needs help, over the years he has gone more and more, sorry but, mad. over the course of that interview you could see he was losing it. and to be honest i don't blame him, he's had the world looking at him since he was 8, i would go mad. i don't think he has any sexual interest in kids, he's just trying to buy back his childhood and has nothing in common with adults, you could see that in the documentry, the interviewer started talking to him like he would a child. i just hope he gets the help needs!!!! Message 781 of 1186 in Discussion From: Foxy Sent: 04/02/2003 15:51 From: king's kid (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 15:44 i think people should stop making excuses about their past and start being responsible for their actions as adults.i wont condemn mj over his utterances but he should stop using his upbringing as an excuse for his mistakes |
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 19:18:12 GMT
Message 782 of 1186 in Discussion From: Jenni_edin Sent: 04/02/2003 15:51 Yes mabey a little bit but this guy is just over the top peculiar! theres a thing called going to far! he was went right over that limit!!!!! he is insane and should spend his money on serouis help, not on other peoples kids and family so they wont say anything?? Message 783 of 1186 in Discussion From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 15:52 DEE LITE - Of course MJ want's attention, if my childhood had been like his I'm sure I would want attention! I'd hate to of been beaten like he had, taken the micky out of. He's giving his children and others the love that he never had. Message 784 of 1186 in Discussion From: eddy b Sent: 04/02/2003 15:53 Who could complain if it was a first impression though Bopbumble, this is ten years in the making now pal and there's no more excuses that can be made for the man/adolescent. (2 recommendations so far) Message 785 of 1186 in Discussion From: Jacko Rulez! Sent: 04/02/2003 15:53 Come on, it's just like he said. he's a big kid really. I mean u heard when his dad used to beat him and about his brothers. well he hardly had fun when he was a little kid. so to him it's just like a child's sleep over and he knows that nuttin has or ever will happen so it dosen't bother him about it. just like he says ppl who think the worse without proof are just ignorant. Even with his face it's his buisness in what he does no one's elses. and i beleve him when he says he has only had two operations. don't forget he was colored once and now he os really skinny. thats why his cheek bones stick out. he is a decent guy really. and he is, the king of pop. Chris Message 786 of 1186 in Discussion From: Miss_Spooky3 Sent: 04/02/2003 15:53 And what is the truth? For all we know they could have set him up to make a stake on his money - it is common knowledge that the boy's father wanted money to make a film...and that he was done for extortion afterwards. Any mother who drops a case for her child because of a cash handout must be as guilty as MJ. As money can't possibly buy happiness - look at MJ himself. He has all the money in the world and is still unhappy. If he was guilty then the family should have seen it through the courts (Regardless of the sum offered) - also the CPS (or the American equilivant) wouldn't have dropped the case who ever MJ is. (1 recommendation so far) Message 787 of 1186 in Discussion From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 15:53 should spend his money on serouis help, not on other peoples kids and family so they wont say anything?? And those kids families? who have allowed their kids to be bought off are what? Message 788 of 1186 in Discussion From: Jenni_edin Sent: 04/02/2003 15:55 For anyone who would be that greedy as to let a man be with THERE own children is SICK!!! ok if he wanted to help that is soooo good and kind, but sleeping in the same beds climbing trees Peter Pan??? i am sorry but even if it was not a sexual thing sleeping in the beds??/ i would never do it is that 12/13 years old parents mad, crazy and insnae as him??/ letting there child sleep in his bed???thats not right Message 789 of 1186 in Discussion From: HELLSNOANGEL Sent: 04/02/2003 15:55 I can't believe how many people have an opinion on this. Personally I think you're right Pandy, he was a very good looking guy in that picture (HEY BOMBER I'M WHITE!), but now he looks like he'd die if he sneezed. I do not think that he is messing with the kids, I think that he likes to have sleep overs coz thats what kids do, and his best friends are kids because they are not as judgemental as the rest of us, BUT He does not behave like a responsible adult with his children, he acts like a selfish child, it's not even like those masks were nice soft comfortable ones considering the length of time they had to spend in them, they were from that shop with the rest of the cheap LOOKING **ap. It is on the heads of the parents of those children to make decisions for thier child not us. I just hope that they made the right decision. But for his own childrens sake, he really needs to get some help and maybe spend less time with his friend Uri and a bit more time around seemingly sane people like Barry Gibb. Message 790 of 1186 in Discussion From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 15:55 JENNI EDIN - IF MJ had abused that child then their parents would of been the more irresponsible ones to have accepted that money, I know that no matter what, I would not keep my mouth shut, if I KNEW and had proof that he had abused, for no amount of money, if that was my son. (1 recommendation so far) Message 791 of 1186 in Discussion From: Mars33 Sent: 04/02/2003 15:55 Little poll then 1) Are/Were you a Michael Jackson fan? 2) Do you think MJ sharing his bed with children is justifiable? Mars33:1 no 2 no Message 792 of 1186 in Discussion From: Littlej Sent: 04/02/2003 15:56 I would like to say that i do feel sorry for his children who will, if hes not careful grow up as f****d up as him. What with them not being allowed out without masks on etc... I think maybe there is an issue as to whether he is capable of being a good parent and that should be adressed urgently! Message 793 of 1186 in Discussion From: Blah Sent: 04/02/2003 15:57 Michael Jackson has a lot in common with Germaine Greer : Greer switches sights to young boys January 24 2003 London Feminist icon Germaine Greer expects to be branded a paedophile after writing a new book challenging conventional views on child pornography. Greer, 63, says The Boy, which looks at male children in Western art, is about reclaiming the right of women to enjoy the beauty of boys. ''Everyone thinks the only people who like looking at pictures of boys - and I mean boys, not men - are gay men but that's not true. I, for one, love looking at them,'' Greer told British newspaper the Daily Express. ''I'll be called a paedophile after this.'' Greer, who set the tone of gender politics in the 1970s with The Female Eunuch and went on to attack ''lipstick lesbians'' and fainthearted feminists in later works, expects The Boy to create controversy. ''It's going to get me in a lot of trouble,'' she said. ''I just can't let it go. Working on it has been the best fun in the world, because it is a book of pictures of ravishing boys. ''I'd like to reclaim for women the right to appreciate the short-lived beauty of boys - real boys, not simpering 30-year-olds with shaved chests. ''The snag is that everywhere I turn I find new pictures of outrageously lovely boys and it's too late to get them into the book but I keep downloading them, scanning them and printing them, just in case and just for fun.'' There is no immediate publication date. www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/01/23/1042911493212.html Message 794 of 1186 in Discussion From: bacardiguzzler Sent: 04/02/2003 15:57 Bopbumble I'm with you! Aren't we all allowed to be a little crazy sometimes. The whole tree thing I thought was beautiful!!! Message 795 of 1186 in Discussion From: Shake_The_Shimmy_2_Me Sent: 04/02/2003 15:57 YER, DA PARENTS SHUD KNOW BETTA, PLUS I BET HE'S HAD A FLING WITH THAT SPOON BENDER..URI GELLAR Message 796 of 1186 in Discussion From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 15:57 EDDY B - 10 years have past, NOT GUILTY! Why hold on to the past? Look to the future, there's no point bringing the past up, it's gone, NOT GUILTY! |
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 19:25:52 GMT
Message 797 of 1186 in Discussion
From: sjauney Sent: 04/02/2003 15:58
Hello there It is from my observation that Michael needs help, it may appear to be far gone but he really needs help and apparently no one is there for him wether his sibblings, close friends,etc. to help him through the many years of his dentity crisis. It's really sad for such an idol to desipitate to the conscious level he's is, and we have to remember no one is perfect not one of us.But some one needs to step up and try and save him from him self for what he's worth.
(1 recommendation so far) Message 798 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Jacko Rulez! Sent: 04/02/2003 15:59
MJ AINT THE KIND OF PERSON WHO REALLY GIVES A **** ABOUT MONEY.
Message 799 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Zhen Sent: 04/02/2003 15:59
Let me guess, white, rich, beautiful and facist. Is this the best description of you? How easy to tell people to get over it under the guise of "tough love". Naiveity seems to be your main faux pas my friend!
Message 800 of 1186 in Discussion
From: CHEEKYMONKEY Sent: 04/02/2003 15:59
I CANT BELIEVE SOME OF YOU OUT THERE ARE SAYING STUFF LIKE BEAUTY IS WITHIN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER AND WHAT HE IS DOING IS FINE AND EVERYBODY IS PICKING ON THE BLACK GUY........WHAT A LOAD OF TOSH. WHAT SOME OTHER PEOLPE ARE SAYING IS THAT HE IS A BIT MESSED UP, END OF THE DAY WHAT HE DOES IS UP TO HIM.. BUT IF HE WAS A BIT MORE HONEST AND SAID YES I NEED HELP AND I HAVE HAD PLASTIC SURGERY ALL OVER MY HEAD...THEN PEOPLE WOULD SAY "FAIR DOOS"
BUT HE IS A LIAR.
Message 801 of 1186 in Discussion
From: LPH Sent: 04/02/2003 16:00
#793 greer has nothing in common with jacko
Greer, 63,talks about 'perving' the beauty of boys. jacko has no physical attraction to boys.
no comparison at all
Message 802 of 1186 in Discussion
From: dnd_tricky Sent: 04/02/2003 16:00
Where are the parents and why do they prostitute their children in this way? Whether he is guilty or not, surely it is not worth the risk.
And what about the mental and emotional damage these visits can inflict? MJ has no concept of reality and an obvious God complex, what lessons can he be teaching these children?
Was it just me or did the 12 year old boy in the documentary seem a little well scripted? MJ also said he had footage of him in the bedroom with the three children - why did he have a video camera in the bedroom?!
The man is a bundle of contradictions - why else would he have his face totally re-constructed so that the top half resembles a female, and the bottom half made more masculine? (with the addition of a square jaw line)
And what is the point of covering his childrens faces with a see through scarf?! We could all see what they look like, and when will they ever get hounded by the press if they are never allowed out without security and their father?
I do feel sorry for the guy, but his abuse as a child cannot be used as an excuse for unhealthy behaviour.
Message 803 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Freek Zilla Sent: 04/02/2003 16:00
NOT GULITY !!!
Message 804 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Jacko Rulez! Sent: 04/02/2003 16:01
HE AINT A LIER. AND REALLY WHAT EVER HE HAS DONE TO HIS FACE IS HIS BUISNESS!!!!!!!!!
Message 805 of 1186 in Discussion
From: LPH Sent: 04/02/2003 16:02
NOT GUILTY !!!
Message 806 of 1186 in Discussion
From: bigdunc Sent: 04/02/2003 16:02
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Message 807 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Jacko Rulez! Sent: 04/02/2003 16:02
not guilty!!!!!!
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From: Zoolander Sent: 04/02/2003 16:03
Does anyone know if it is being shown again? ... I was a muppet and only videoed the first hour as I went out and so I didn't see it all...
Zoolander
Message 809 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Jacko Rulez! Sent: 04/02/2003 16:03
hE AINT A FAGGIT! HOW U NO IF HE IS HAVE U BEEN WITH HIM AT ALL IN UR LIFE!!!!!!
Message 810 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Miss_Spooky3 Sent: 04/02/2003 16:03
I don't think you can tell much from 90 minutes of edited film out of 8 months worth of footage - suppose that was the worst they could find?
Message 811 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 16:04
Bacardiguzzler - I often get called weird & strange, in other's eyes I may be, but to me I'm different, that's all. Not weird or a freak! MJ is not a freak or insane because he has a love for kids, neither is it strange that he wants to re-live his childhood! Damn if I had that money I'd build myself a neverland!!
AND NO I'M NOT AN MJ FAN!!
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 21:39:50 GMT
Message 812 of 1186 messages in Discussion
From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 16:04
I blame mobile phones
Message 813 of 1186 in Discussion
From: S-sOlDiEr Sent: 04/02/2003 16:04
exactly thank u LPH
i would trust my kids with micheal
he really has a heart of gold
and people like Martin Bashir who twist everything are sick
i share a bed with my cousins sometimes does that make me sick.....dont some of u sleep with ur kids and share beds or rooms with ur brothers and sisters at some point in ur life...
people need to get over it and this whole documentary just shows that people in this world dont know how to love and share.....
micheal u da man....
Message 814 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Linda Pinder Sent: 04/02/2003 16:04
It's on again tonight @ 8pm on ITV 2
Message 815 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 16:05
ZOOLANDER - Reapeted tonight on ITV2 on sky, not sure what time though!
Message 816 of 1186 in Discussion
From: RichardCunninghamthe3rd Sent: 04/02/2003 16:05
Hey, people luv fish, so they keep fish tanks, michele luvs children, so he has a fair. I dont know about anyone else but i dont think people maul fish, well except for my Uncle Vinny but thats a different story. Leave the poor bastard alone and lets concentrate on more important things. Like bombing Iraq.
Message 817 of 1186 in Discussion
From: NNGirlie Sent: 04/02/2003 16:05
Wont someone please think of the children
Message 818 of 1186 in Discussion
From: S-sOlDiEr Sent: 04/02/2003 16:06
NOT GUILTY
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From: LPH Sent: 04/02/2003 16:06
he's only a liar. if we can prove him wrong.
if he says he has no plastic surgery to his face (other than nose job), than fair do.
theres no prove suggesting other wise.
anyways who gives a F**K. he's a nice guy
Message 820 of 1186 in Discussion
From: whiteduke Sent: 04/02/2003 16:06
Fair enough
Message 821 of 1186 in Discussion
From: eburt Sent: 04/02/2003 16:06
Probably didn't mean to reply, but i'm new to this and couldn't figure how to start a new message!!
I agree that MJ is trying to gain back his childhood, and I think it is very sad although understandable.
Is it just me or does anyone else think that by making his children wear masks in public makes them stand out more. I mean how many kids do you get trotting around in elaborate masks?
Also I have a question that if any one could answer I would really appreciate, MJ has vitiligo, I'm not disputing this or the fact that it changes the pigment of your skin, but I would have thought that your genes would stay that of a black man (as his case is), so can anyone explain to me why all three of MJ's children have the complexion. hair texture and colouring (sorry but they were the only features I could see) as those of someone with white orientation, surely (well i would have thought) they would have the complexion/features of a person of mixed race (by this i obviously mean of someone whose parents are one each of black and white)
Message 822 of 1186 in Discussion
From: CHEEKYMONKEY Sent: 04/02/2003 16:06
jacko rulez
i agree what he does with his face is his business . i just think if he were a bit more honest, peolple would appreciate why he does these things and then leave him alone, but he blantently lies and deceives his own fans. the people who have made him rich and famous, they deserve truth aswell as tunes dont they.....
Message 823 of 1186 in Discussion
From: buffblondebabe Sent: 04/02/2003 16:06
i dont think mj is doing anything wrong,alough we find it worrying hes just tryin to have a decent life and catch up on his lost childhood-as he has been performing all his life he missed all fun cos his dad abused him badly.i think if its that worrying-why is the parents of the kids allowing it?i think the PUBLIC AND REPORTERS SHOULD STAY OUT-ITS NOT THIER KIDS OR LIFE!
Message 824 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Shake_The_Shimmy_2_Me Sent: 04/02/2003 16:06
THEN UR CRAZY TO LET UR KIDS WITH MICHEAL, HE IS A 100% PERVE
Message 825 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Jacko Rulez! Sent: 04/02/2003 16:06
S-sOIDiEr,
Thats exactly how i feel. MJ wouldn't hurt any one in the world. You are soooooo correct Right on!!!!!
Message 826 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Policecar Sent: 04/02/2003 16:06
Hey, people luv fish, so they keep fish tanks, michele luvs children, so he has a fair.
hahahahahahhahahaaha
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 21:44:48 GMT
Message 827 of 1186 in Discussion
From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 16:07
you dont know whether hes a liar or not!! So i think you should keep your opinions to yourself
Message 828 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Zhen Sent: 04/02/2003 16:07
My friend is very keen to know why Bubbles was sent to a sanctuary. Surely zooaphilia must enter the equation at some point!
Message 829 of 1186 in Discussion
From: HELLSNOANGEL Sent: 04/02/2003 16:07
The thing I think he doesn't get is that there is more to abusing your children than hitting them or molesting them.
His children are already looking as scared as their father!
Message 830 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Zoolander Sent: 04/02/2003 16:07
thanks peeps! I'll make sure i watch it this time!
Zoolander
Message 831 of 1186 in Discussion
From: NNGirlie Sent: 04/02/2003 16:07
Good friends are you then?
Message 832 of 1186 in Discussion
From: bigdunc Sent: 04/02/2003 16:08
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Message 833 of 1186 in Discussion
From: dnd_tricky Sent: 04/02/2003 16:08
Of course, everyone shares beds with relatives. My daughter loves having baths with her Dad.
All the above - not weird!
Sleeping with other ppls kids when you are a 44 year old lonely man who has already been publicly accused of child abuse - weird, irresponsible and asking for negative attention
Message 834 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Jacko Rulez! Sent: 04/02/2003 16:08
I aint a virgin but i still LOVE his music it's so Bloody good
Message 835 of 1186 in Discussion
From: davpea Sent: 04/02/2003 16:09
is michael sharing his bed with cousins and brothers? NO. Other peoples kids. The man is dangerous. Trusting your kids with a comparitive stranger! Not to be done if you love your kids.
Message 836 of 1186 in Discussion
From: lil angel Sent: 04/02/2003 16:09
Look, I have been a fan of MJ for years, he is one of the sweetest, most caring people I have ever seen. He would never go near a kid. So what if he shares his BEDROOM with some kids. Who hasn't done that at some point in their lives? Oh, and by the way 'bigdunc' he is not a faggot.
I think this whole skin disease actually makes a lot of sense. I hadn't really thought of that before.
Message 837 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Policecar Sent: 04/02/2003 16:09
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Message 838 of 1186 in Discussion
From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 16:09
yeah meet him every night
Message 839 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Dee_lite Sent: 04/02/2003 16:10
Bop .. he may love his children but he is an unfit parent. I cannot BELIEVE he was allowed to have children considering the psychological damage he has suffered.
The world has gone mad and without causing a riot .. a lot of Americans are mad in my book.
Message 840 of 1186 in Discussion
From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 16:10
I'm quite interested in Uncle Vinny
Message 841 of 1186 in Discussion
From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 16:10
I must admit, I'm still a virgin..and i love his music.
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 21:57:23 GMT
Message 842 of 1186 in Discussion From: CHEEKYMONKEY Sent: 04/02/2003 16:10 elegem thats the whole point of this discussion to have opinions and to share them in a polite way. if you dont want to hear them, then get back to the chat rooms Message 843 of 1186 in Discussion From: HELLSNOANGEL Sent: 04/02/2003 16:11 We all only get a certain amount of childhood, hasn't he had long enough to catch up now? Message 844 of 1186 in Discussion From: bigdunc Sent: 04/02/2003 16:11 This message has been deleted due to termination of membership. Message 845 of 1186 in Discussion From: andy_leedsuk Sent: 04/02/2003 16:11 Is anybody really bothered about a guy who any of us are really ever likely to meet anyway? Message 846 of 1186 in Discussion From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 16:12 cheekymonkey i wasnt saying no one could have there own opinion Message 847 of 1186 in Discussion From: Jacko Rulez! Sent: 04/02/2003 16:12 I've met him actually! Message 848 of 1186 in Discussion From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 16:12 DAVEPEA - U don't know that his relatives don't stay in his house, in his bedroom, in his bed. Where was there any mention of that in the programme? NO, none! As someone said earlier, a 2hr programme, cut from 8 months of a person's life?!?!?! Sort it out!! Martin Bashir wanted MJ to look bad & he did that well, B***** i say!
Get on with your own life! Message 849 of 1186 in Discussion From: Foxy Sent: 04/02/2003 16:13 From: not wackytacky (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 16:12 He is wierd...gives yu wierd sort of feeling..I pity him Message 850 of 1186 in Discussion From: milate Sent: 04/02/2003 16:13 I have sympathy with MJ's alledged abusive childhood, however this changed to horror with, 1) The lies. I have never had plastic surgery - later one nose operation - two nose operations. Oh I can't remember!!! 2) I had an affair with Blanket's mother, oh no she was a surrigate mother I never met, I took the child away immediately after birth, from whom? Someone you hadn't met??? 3) Child abuse as MJ should know in any form is totally distructive to the victims. If he is just a 15 year old in a 44 year old body,( as would be abusers pretend over the internet) What mother has seen her normal 15 year old son sit holding hands on the settee with a 15 year old friend?  It is appalling that money will buy anything even parents. 4) As for attempting to feed a baby with its head covered, words fail me. He could have had the cameras film from another angle. MJ is not the only famous man in the world. But certainly one of the most unhinged. Where are the social services in America?? Message 851 of 1186 in Discussion From: bru Sent: 04/02/2003 16:13 so what?! u r a frickin fag too then sharing a BED with children what planet have u and WACKO JACKO came from this world is a frickin disgrace with people like u and jacko in it RESPECT TO JARVIS COCKER everyone get their arses out and moon jacko the wacko Message 852 of 1186 in Discussion From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 16:13 DEE LITE - WHY exactly is he an un-fit parent? What has he done?
His children look safe & sound to me. Message 853 of 1186 in Discussion From: richardcunninghamthe3rd Sent: 04/02/2003 16:13 Well my uncle vinny, well, he slipped, and his penis fell into the fishes mouth. Anyway MJ, well lets just say the lights are on but no ones home. simple as that Message 854 of 1186 in Discussion From: lil angel Sent: 04/02/2003 16:13 I have listenend to people slagging MJ off all day at my work, and I amnt prepared to do it here. It almost seems like there is only one person who can say a decent thing about him. Hi 'Jacko Rulez!' Message 855 of 1186 in Discussion From: Krysy Sent: 04/02/2003 16:14 It's seriously dodgy. Especially as he got accused of it in ( was it 93?). But how do you define the boundries? Michael has not had a normal experience of when enough is enough. No ones taught him what behaviour is acceptable. His Father went to far when it came to punishment and used violence. His brother did no better and actually had sex with god knows how many girls when Michael was in the room! All those surrounding him crossed the boundaries of his private space and he spent his whole life in the lime light having his every move criticized and exploited. As for his children, I think the masks are sad but neccesary. I'm not a hundred percent certain as to whether he's fit to be a father, but he is responsible for his kids. And masks are the probably the only way Michael knows so that he can protect his kids and live and spend time with them at the same time. The press makes and breaks 'em. I think there has to be a strong link with Michaels obssesion with his face and the kids' masks. I also think that maybe it wasn't such a good idea for him to have done this interview. He wants to be understood. Unfortunately he's let himself in for further critizism. I think his situation is really sad and I think it's even sadder that the apple never falls far from the tree. Message 856 of 1186 in Discussion From: Poppy2 Sent: 04/02/2003 16:14 As I have said before, vitiligo is not a nice disease, anyone who knows someone who suffers with it may understand a little more. |
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 22:02:00 GMT
Message 857 of 1186 in Discussion From: CHEEKYMONKEY Sent: 04/02/2003 16:14 deelitei agree with you a little but easy with the "alot of americans" i think that you should change it to some of them in most parts of the country in every town centre" Message 858 of 1186 in Discussion From: wend Sent: 04/02/2003 16:14 First of all I'm NOT an MJ fan but even I could see that he loved NOT lusted children & society as a whole has become so paranoid and cynical that that totally goes beyond their twisted, petty thinking. And I'm not thoughrly condoning the mask's on his children but he did have a point about kidnapp attemps, look at posh & Becks and MJ makes them look like paupers! Message 859 of 1186 in Discussion From: bigdunc Sent: 04/02/2003 16:14 This message has been deleted due to termination of membership. Message 860 of 1186 in Discussion From: CHEEKYMONKEY Sent: 04/02/2003 16:15 GOOD REPLY MILATE if anybody can argue with that you are a better monkey tha mik Message 861 of 1186 in Discussion From: bigdunc Sent: 04/02/2003 16:15 This message has been deleted due to termination of membership. Message 862 of 1186 in Discussion From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 16:16 he he ... he can't have been a very big lad then? Unless these were unfeasibly large goldfish Message 863 of 1186 in Discussion From: Poppy2 Sent: 04/02/2003 16:16 bigdunc.......... you sound so angry? Message 864 of 1186 in Discussion From: dj1 Sent: 04/02/2003 16:16 He is a poor messed up 44 year old child. His father successfully took his childhood away from him, and he is trying to get it back now. I feel for him. It is so sad to see. Message 865 of 1186 in Discussion From: ®ŔåvèńẂΐЂ◊íåmóή◊ś© Sent: 04/02/2003 16:16 I think michael jackson is a man to be pitied, he obviously sick and has emotional problems.
No loving, sane parent would do/say the things to/about his children that he did in the documentary and no it is not right to share a bed with other peoples children...I was deeply shocked at how damaged this man is, if he was not a celeb he'd be in a hospital recieving proper treatment and help! Message 866 of 1186 in Discussion From: Miss_Spooky3 Sent: 04/02/2003 16:16 Point no3 - dont girls on a night out all hug and cuddle each other? Don't blokes do the same? Why is it strange for a 15yo to hold hands with a 44yo - You'll shot me for this - but nobody says anything about Beckham and the little girl - Didn't he hold her hand in public too??? Message 867 of 1186 in Discussion From: richardcunninghamthe3rd Sent: 04/02/2003 16:17 no the goldfish were normal size, my uncles just isnt an equiped man Message 868 of 1186 in Discussion From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 16:17 It is hardly the same as well you know and I doubt very much whether David has small boys in his bed Message 869 of 1186 in Discussion From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 16:18 do goldfish have teeth? Message 870 of 1186 in Discussion From: lil angel Sent: 04/02/2003 16:18 Does it really matter if it is a small boy or a small girl? The principle is the same Message 871 of 1186 in Discussion From: Miss_Spooky3 Sent: 04/02/2003 16:18 You missed the point - and how do we know what other celebs get up to?? |
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Post by cathy on Jan 13, 2009 22:16:06 GMT
Message 872 of 1186 in Discussion
From: davpea Sent: 04/02/2003 16:18
BOPBUMBLE There have been many comparisons made by people who say that there is nothing wrong with sharing a bed with cousins, brothers, sisters etc. This may be the case but Jackson is sharing his bed with other peoples kids! Don't you see the harm and danger that this poses! He proved himself to be a liar by stating that he had a relationship with BLANKETs mother then later admitted that she was a surogate mother. Dont trust a liar. I don't have anything against Michael Jackson I do have something against people who exploit children for their own enjoyment!
Message 873 of 1186 in Discussion
From: HELLSNOANGEL Sent: 04/02/2003 16:19
Hey Jacko Rulez,
Did ya meet him as in see the man up close, maybe say a few words, or have you too spent a night at Neverland?
I met and spoke to Michael Hutchence about a month before he died/ killed himself and I never even got the impression that he was depressed!
Nobody knows what anyone else is really like, people live together for decades before finding out stuff that should have seemed really obvious.
Don't pretend like you know the bloke.
Message 874 of 1186 in Discussion
From: CrouchingTiger Sent: 04/02/2003 16:19
Michael Jackson is now so detached from reality and the norms of society that i don't think he can ever be accepted by the wider community again.
Message 875 of 1186 in Discussion
From: davpea Sent: 04/02/2003 16:19
Right on
Message 876 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Lilhoney4life Sent: 04/02/2003 16:20
I think that people should mind their own business. MJ is a cool person and any way their his kids and nobody elses. And whatever he decides to do with his face thats up to him
Message 877 of 1186 in Discussion
From: bigdunc Sent: 04/02/2003 16:20
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Message 878 of 1186 in Discussion
From: ©«§þ¥ðã»™ Sent: 04/02/2003 16:21
Thought the program was an eye-opener, and an awful lot of what appeared to be going was downright wrong.
One thing i did like though, was him keeping his childrens faces covered in public to protect them from papparazzi.
Recent going's on in this country, with regard to Prince Harry and the press speculating over who his father could be, could only have caused immense pain to this boy.
imagine if the press had pics of Jacksons kids?...
The only trouble is, i i'm not sure who they need protecting from, more.. Jackson, or the Press!
Message 879 of 1186 in Discussion
From: lil angel Sent: 04/02/2003 16:21
Exactly 'lilhoney' that's what I am meaning.
Message 880 of 1186 in Discussion
From: CHEEKYMONKEY Sent: 04/02/2003 16:21
fair comment elegem . but you did say keep your opinions to myself , that would make this debate quite difficult
Message 881 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Bopbumble Sent: 04/02/2003 16:21
From: richardcunninghamthe3rd Sent: 04/02/2003 16:17
no the goldfish were normal size, my uncles just isnt an equiped man
Oooooeee, hello!! Anyone want to now accuse richards UNCLE vinny of being a peadophile!! How does Richard know that?!
Message 882 of 1186 in Discussion
From: dnd_tricky Sent: 04/02/2003 16:22
Pointless to cover his childrens faces with see-through scarves. I feel so sorry for them, especially 'Blanket'. Anyone with kids will know how they react if you get a simple t shirt stuck on their heads when trying to dress them - and that is just for a second! And when he is was feeding blanket, that did not look natural and i would guess he is not as 'hands on' in the role of Father as he would have us believe.
Message 883 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Dee_lite Sent: 04/02/2003 16:22
Men who grab their crotch when they dance aren't normal.
Step forward every male that ever lived .. lmao
Message 884 of 1186 in Discussion
From: wandablue Sent: 04/02/2003 16:22
I take it that no-one here knows the first thing about genetics. It's quite possible for a child of one black parent and one white parent to look completely white and have caucasian features. I have known many children of mixed colour parents and they do not follow a set pattern. In cultures where some form of aparthied has been present there have often been cases of mixed race or even black persons passing as white to avoid persecution.
Also, I am not an MJ fan but I do not think that anyone can accuse him of assault on a minor unless they were there or have proof. What do the accusers actually know of his private life? Nothing. I should think that anyone with as much money as him would have paid off that kids family to avoid it all being dragged through the courts even if it wasn't true. Most people just want to avoid hassle.
At least of no-one knows what his own kids look like, they might one day be able to go shopping an not be accosted by rabid fans or the press every time they step outside.
Don't be so judgemental about someone you know absolutely nothing about.
(1 recommendation so far) Message 885 of 1186 in Discussion
From: dj1 Sent: 04/02/2003 16:22
He never showed an inkling of sexual feelings for the 15year old boy. He simply acts like they are mates, and have sleepovers - something that normal healthy children are allowed to do, but his father didnt. He simply wants some of his youth back. The childhood he should have had, that was taken away from him. I dont think for one minute that he would ever touch a child sexually - or an adult for that matter!!!
Message 886 of 1186 in Discussion
From: Krysy Sent: 04/02/2003 16:22
safe and sound? Jacko doesn't seem to realize how much danger and harm he puts them in when he goes into public with them. Surely he realizes that hundreds of people will flock to see him whenever he's in public and that he shouldn't be with them in public for their safety! The man should realize that, considering the fact he's only been famous around the world since he was 8! It's sad but I think his kids would be better off being brought up in a more normal environment. I pity him because he's lonely but I'm sorry to say when your that famous you don't have much choice if you don't want to harm others.
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