Michael Jackson says ok to .... etc. etc

[cathy]

GENERAL: Michael Jackson says it's okay to get into bed with kids when it's nothing sexual

Nominated by: Chromo as in :- Mikul Jaksun wud neva

From: NICHOLAS_COLLIER (Original Message) Sent: 03/02/2003 23:47

Is this sound and reasonable after all who gets hurt and is critisim of this just a product of a cynical and paranoid society which detests the idea of love outside of the secular family, conforming unit etc. etc.

Or are there great dangers with this which could harm the child for years?

[cathy]

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From: AikijutsuBritsoc1 Sent: 03/02/2003 23:56
Michael Jackson also denies having plastic surgery!


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From: NICHOLAS_COLLIER Sent: 03/02/2003 23:58
Saying its a natural skin disorder. hhhmmmmmmmmmmm In truth I don't know enough to say either way.


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From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 03/02/2003 23:59
He's aslo has his thingy removed, and he's now a woman...but he doesn't like to breast feed..so he didn't have the boob job...but he is a TIT.


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From: Jenufa Sent: 04/02/2003 00:01

Yes Herby has as point - MJ says that his mouth and his nose changed shape naturally, so if he thinks his mouth and nose changed themselves he probably thinks that the children molested themselves when they were in his bed.....


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From: NICHOLAS_COLLIER Sent: 04/02/2003 00:01
I think its safe to say from that programme that he is obsessed with childhood because he had his taken away from him by his father who caned him to make him perform all the time and didnt let him play with the normal kids.



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From: NICHOLAS_COLLIER Sent: 04/02/2003 00:02
Michael Jackson didn't mollest anyone. He doesnt think like that. he has the mental age of about 12.



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From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 00:02

I think its safe to say..the guy needs help.



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From: Jenufa Sent: 04/02/2003 00:03

Twelve year olds have molested people before.



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From: NICHOLAS_COLLIER Sent: 04/02/2003 00:04

He may be very odd but you do not get the impression he is evil, just mixed up.



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From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 00:09

I wouldn't say he was evil..he just has no idea of what goes on in the 'real world'..he hates bad news, and will go to great lengths to prevent hearing any..the man needs help.



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From: julesss Sent: 04/02/2003 02:48

What a weird programme..... however what did come out was his love for his children and his wish to protect them from the media!! Even if he does make them wear masks in public. Not that different from some parents keeping dummies in their childrens mouths.... YUCK!!!!

BTW... should we really complain about his method of parenthood after the recent child abuse cases over here in the UK involving family members etc??? I much prefer MJ's methods of no smacking etc than others!!!

What I do agree on though is that he does need help re coming to terms with his childhood.

Regards

Jules



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From: ¤ÏÇkĹê•ğ®āňň¥¤0 Sent: 04/02/2003 07:31

Good morning all.... i would just like to say hes right on 1 thing..the family unit isnt wot it used to be..i dont know anybody that sit round a table for a meal anymore...its all on their knees or trays in front of the telly.



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From: (_!_) bigwind (_!_) Sent: 04/02/2003 07:48

...... well, didn't Gary Glitter say something like that too? ......... or, perhaps Jacko was only doing some research for a project - just the same as Pete Townsend said eh? .....

(_!_)



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From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 08:17

NO.



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From: (_!_) bigwind (_!_) Sent: 04/02/2003 08:21

....... well, how'd ya know ? ...... really know .....


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[cathy]

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Sent: 04/02/2003 08:45

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From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 08:45

I don't think schools etc would still let children visit his home if they thought he was a danger to kids.


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From: Lugger Sent: 04/02/2003 09:16

He'san extremely rich retard - thank God he's peaceful and not interested in guns.


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From: PartyNaked Sent: 04/02/2003 09:43

He's an extremely rich retard......

Actually he came across as a highly intelligent man in some sections of the programme! He's just a man who led a very sheltered life from a very early age. He clearly is obsessed by childhood, perhaps because her never really had one! Can't imagine being only eight years old and not being able to go out and play like normal a normal child. Being forced and physically beaten by your own father when you are that tiny! It's not right, and if he is a bit crazy in the head, then I think that's understandable, but I think he needs to seek therapy so he can get over it!


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From: DoubleOone Sent: 04/02/2003 10:08

I wonder if Michael Jackson's music was as duff as Gary Glitter's,people would be so willing to defend him ?
This man came across as a complete fruit cake.Having your children wear masks in my opinion can only bring more attention to them.
And holding hands with a 12 year old boy
I wonder if Macauley Culkin has a few stories to tell.
I also doubt that his children have one bit of his DNA in them,yet.


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From: Blue_Ted Sent: 04/02/2003 10:42

The look on Martin Bashir's face when Jacko said he was going to adopt two children from each continent was priceless.


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From: LPH Sent: 04/02/2003 10:44

great documentary.

Jacko came across as a lovely man. a pure heart of gold.

i can understand why he masks his children. end of the day, i'd do everything possible to protect my children.

i'd trust jacko with my children too.

its a shame that Bashir tried to imply sexual behaviour between jacko and the 12year old instead of highlighting the wonderful effect jacko has had on the child


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From: PartyNaked Sent: 04/02/2003 10:44

I dont' think he should be allowed to keep the children he already has.....the way he was feeding his baby boy was very strange....I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure you aren't supposed to shake babies when you feed them! No wonder the poor little bugger was crying...

And was it me, or did his elder son have bleached blond hair? Most odd for a six yr old!?!?!?!


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From: Baloo Sent: 04/02/2003 10:47

I thought that shopkeeper was going to smack Martin Bashir when he kept asking how much the bill was going to come to for all those disgusting urns and whether he was going to retire on the strength of it. The bloke, who bore more than a passing resemblance to Shylock, kept rubbing his hands with glee and the body language was a picture.


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From: HELLSNOANGEL Sent: 04/02/2003 10:54

Michael Jackson is so used to having people do whatever he wants because they are more interested in money than morals, so no-one ever tells him he's got it wrong.

I'm not sure about Jacko, but I think that not reading papers or watching TV is his way of trying to pretend that the world is not a bad place. I think he refuses to believe that there are such things as peodophiles because he wouldn't dream of doing that to a child himself.

He wouldn't trust his nannies to take his children out without him, but he'd trust other friends to sleep with his kids! Someone really needs to tell him to make a choice. He is either a child or a parent - he can't be both!

I'm not sure I believed the thing about Debbie giving him the kids either. I don't think she was given a choice. Not sure they're his either.


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From: hashone Sent: 04/02/2003 10:55

I think people should get of his case no matter what the man does the pappers jump on him i fond he was as open as he could be at his interveiw.

hashone


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From: skipnicker Sent: 04/02/2003 10:55

The man(?) has such a messiah complex & is completely out of touch with reality. The ravings of a mad man. I found the programme disturbing. Instead of putting across a strong defence, he just sought justification for his beliefs and actions. Its not society being out of touch with him, its him being out of touch with society. I'm with Jarvis!


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From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 10:56

LPH ... don't you think that Michael should perhaps show some discretion - although he doesn't see anything wrong with what he is doing, he got stung quite badly with a court case before ... sharing your bed with children is not on ... he's 44 years old regardless of whether he thinks like a 12 year old.

The effect he has had on the child is exactly what? He didn't cure him of cancer surely not. Don't you think his parents might have thought twice about letting their three kids be with Michael unsupervised after the last claims? Or perhaps they were rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of all that money.

Personally I don't think Michael Jackson has a sexual bone in his body, but that still doesn't make it right.


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From: David_17_uk Sent: 04/02/2003 10:56

I think that Michael Jackson is a nice man and is only trying to give kids less fortunate than he was as a child a better childhood to remember. If he isn't harming the kids then whats it to do with any of us (public). If this was a normal person (not famous) then there wouldn't be a big fuss about it and no one would mine.



Thanks.

[cathy]

From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 10:57

I think your right. No matter what he does he cant win!!


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From: healtheworld Sent: 04/02/2003 10:57

The man is plainly deluded. He thinks he is protecting his kids when taking them into a media scrum looking like something from eyes wide shut. He can't remember having more work done on his face than it took to build the great wall of china. And he thought those vases looked nice!! How can such a talented man have such criminally bad taste and judgement?


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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 10:59

just reposting this in here


From: Caki (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 10:56

hello

i think that michael jackson is right about the way he says about his private life becuase i know he shares a bed but that ok if the child's parents are ok with it then why do we have to cristises him i do not see the point at all.


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From: Asash Sent: 04/02/2003 11:00

I do not believe the children are HIS!!!!! i wish they could do a dna.
Your wife giving u kids as a gift? weird! This documentary just proves
what having loads of money does to people.
ITV please do a repeat!!!!



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From: sweets Sent: 04/02/2003 11:00

i think micheal is the most niceset guy in the world and he shares , he helps and he doesnt think of him self


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From: BigBob Sent: 04/02/2003 11:00

What you have to take into account is his overall character. He is completely insane but is he capable of doing something stupid? After watching the program last night would you trust him with your kids? I certainly would not. He proved himself to be a liar (re comments about not having plastic surgery). He nearly dropped his own child from a dangerously high balcony. He has a totally unrealistic perception of life. If he had been more honest about himself then maybe I would have given him the benefit of the doubt. He seems a kind and generous person but I just could not trust him.


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From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 11:00

Surely people would mind if he was 'normal' ... and sleeping with 12 year old children!

The 'paedophile lobby' would be off and running.

It's purely because he is so famous that he actually gets away with it


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From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 11:01

and this one


From: DLL (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 10:59

I think that this man is completly messed up. At the beginning of the programme I started to feel a bit sorry, for him, and I thought that he was reliving parts of his childhood again by climbing trees etc... But then things started to get strange. If he thinks that he is doing his kids a favor by covering their faces then, I think he is completly wrong. He says that he wants to keep them out of the media, but when he took those poor kids to the zoo, and they were immediately pounded on, he didn't exactly enter the zoo quietly!! And then when he was walking around the zoo, reaching out for his fans, and everyone was going mad and to be quite honest if I was in the middle of all that I would be quite scared!! Those poor kids were being pushed all over the place. And he calls that a decent up bringing!!!!! And then to say that his kids do not have a mother!! and that she does want anything to do with them, I don't believe that!! And then to say that he has had no plastic surgery apart from his nose!!! He also said that he had a relationship with Prince Michael 2nds mother, and then at the end he said he didn't know her. But by the time we reached the part of the programme that he announced he allows 12 yr old boys to sleep in he bedroom, i so did not feel sorry for him. I think that is disgusting. I think that Martin Bashir did a fantastic job, but quite frankly I do not know how he kept his cool, after Jacko announced about the 12yr old and the bedroom.


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From: Sharyn Sent: 04/02/2003 11:01

I would love to believe that all is inocent and that because of Michaels bad childhood etc he now wants to share love with children, but I can honestly say as a mother of a young boy there is know way I would let my son stay/sleep over unfortunetly he has had algations made about him (true or not) and that would be enough for me to say know.
It's his children I feel sorry for who now think it is acceptable/natural to mauled in public while wearing masks. What woman in her right mind gives her children to a man like Michael J even with out the sex allegations what child can live a normal life in this mans shadow. He admitted himself last night that he would walk around Neverland holding baby dolls this is not the actions of a sane man and we let children live with him !!!!


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From: Schwarzenegger909 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:02

Long Live MICHAEL JACKSON and HIS FANS!!!!!!!!!!!


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From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:02

what a freak - and the people who scream and cry hysterically in the mans prescence are equally as ridiculous! Can't believe people are so stupid. Jackson should grow up and if he wants to do something useful for kids: instead of waisting millions on ugly vases & other items of tat he could invest in children's homes and hospitals....surely that would be the adult thing to do rather than entice young children to his bedroom.


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From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:03

only in America eh?


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From: Spatial Sent: 04/02/2003 11:04

I started off watching the programme wondering if indeed I had been too harsh in thinking MJ was all the things people say he is. We all know he was in the limelight from a very early age, and there are many child stars who have not coped with the intense pressure this creates at a young age, it must have been awful for him and his brothers to have had their childhood taken away, let alone have an abusive father. Most of us cant imagine that, myself included.

But there are not many child stars who now they are adults, behave as he does. And I think in part, the people and family he has around him are completely irresponsible. It is obvious that MJ does not have a proper grip on reality, he is not of sound mental health, yet others allow him to have their children both over to stay in his house, and his bed. And also, to keep as a "present"!!!!!!!! From what was observed on the programme last night, he does not behave in a way that puts the safety and well being of young children first. And his entourage do not tell him when he behaves inappropriately, further perpertrating his mind set that he is right and doing normal things.

It was sad to watch him and his erratic, disturbing behaviour, but its sadder still that he is inflicting that on both his own children (stopping them seeing their mother, whatever he says, that is very very clear, hanging them over balconies, covering their faces etc the list goes on) and, possibly, other peoples children (in his bed, please, there are other ways to show that you care for someone elses child, you dont have to share a bed with them).

The question I was asking myself was if this was an everyday person without fame and fortune, would they have had their children placed on the at risk register? Or taken away? Would social services have got involved???

I feel very worried for those children and their future happiness.


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From: Hampshirebabe Sent: 04/02/2003 11:05

I thought Bashir came across as a real waanabe reporter. He had hardly any 'Evidence' and yet he implied so many things. He implied that Jackson slept with the 12 year old alone, but it was mentioned that the boys brother and possibly sister were there as well. Thats doesn't sound nearly as seedy though,so he tried to keep it quiet. And he tried to say how terrible it was for a woman to give Jackson a child, even though she didn't realy want one herself. That is so common, the amount of men who dont want kids, but their wives do. And no one would ever say anything to them.
He does seem very mixed up, but he seems harmless.


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From: LPH Sent: 04/02/2003 11:06

From what I know about the sex abuse case I believe there was more evidence to accuse that kid Jordan and his father of extortion than there was to accuse Michael of child abuse. The Los Angeles Police Department discovered that before Jordan accused Michael of sexual assault his father tried to get money off Michael to make a film but when Michael refused the father threatened to expose Michael as a child molester but despite this and the fact that jordan gave poor descriptions of Michael’s genitals the police said they had too little evidence to charge the kid and his father with extortion and Michael with assault.

i think jacko is being brave - he is sticking his head on the line to 'preach' the power of love and going against a society riddled with doubt and 'mismotives' about him. i think he has a stong and pure believe about how society should be. but we, the society, cannot see that.

[cathy]

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From: Khan_Codes Sent: 04/02/2003 11:06

I dont know why we people dont mention good teachings of each others religion here, Just please make good move. dont tell name of religion, but just stick with its teachings and answer is this Good act by Mickie? or not?
In my religion and i know in every religion its bad.
Sorry for all others who havent answered this in religious way , but still i think u all will encourage my advice.

Bye



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From: bacardiguzzler Sent: 04/02/2003 11:07

I agree with Asash, I would love for a DNA test to be done on those kids because how come, although he appears as a white person to you or I nowadays, there's no changing his genetic make up. SO, my point is why weren't his kids coloured. Looking at their arms and legs, they appeared very white to me!

I do feel for him because his childhood has certainly left him scarred, but can you guys tell me that you wouldn't wanna live in an age of innocence, live out your childhood especially after never having one, and cutting yourself off from the war-mongering, terrorism and nuclear threats going on in the world today. I know I would if I had the millions to do it!!!



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From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 11:07

I didn't understand that I'm afraid.




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From: feline10 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:08

I totally agree...his life from childhood has been tightly controlled and he was raised with terror of his father...is it any wonder he has created a fantasy childhood for himself now and his was of making this real is to be surrounded by children...where he is living what he never had.


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From: Sven Sent: 04/02/2003 11:08

I agree! Leave the man alone! I used to be skeptical of him, but it was good to see the real him last night - he's a good example to us all. The media shouldn't turn this into another scandal - the interviewer tried to make him out a paedophile.

Fair play to MJ


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From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:09

It annoys me how everyone just wants to know about Michael Jackson's face. If he did have plastic surgery then where are the scars? Maybe what he is saying is all true, eh could have had growth hormones which would have changed his bone sizes.
I agree about the way he was holding his baby whilst feeding it, but I rekon he was just nervous. It's his life, and the thing about him sleeping with boys, that is so obviously not anything sexual, he just wants the world to be peaceful and everyont to love everyone, and i tottally agree with him. He isn't having sex with little boys, he's giving them some care and stuff, cos when he was younger he didn't get any and he wants to help everyone cos he doesn't want anyone to suffer like he did. Okay I don't wana blabber on...

Thanks for listening to me!


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From: skipnicker Sent: 04/02/2003 11:10

Oi Jacko fans,

You'll be bending spoons next! I once heard a lecturer on psychology state that most paedophiles justify their actions as "pure, unconditional love" - Ring any bells?


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From: nat123 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:11

I think that the message u wrote bout michael jackon was ridiculas. He is a dirty old pervet and covering up his kids faces only attracts more attention when they go walking down the streets. All the attention he has had in his life has made him NUTTY. Letting a 12 year old boy in your bed is not nice or thoughtful, its PERVERTED. What 44 year old man in his right mind would do that. If sombody who was'nt famouse did it they would get called a pervert so y should'nt he!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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From: mrsmca Sent: 04/02/2003 11:13

I, like everyone else it seems, felt a little sorry for him at first. The man had no kind of childhood at all and was a man trapped in a childs body. No the role has reversed....he's a child trapped in a mans body.
Ok....let him climb trees, have friends over etc....but his children should not be paraded around and he should not have sleepovers...i dont see the reason for that.
MJ.......enjoy your money......have fun but please leave the kids out of it....and get yourself a good psycologist honey as you got some issues need clearing up.
xx



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From: Ali-Lou Sent: 04/02/2003 11:13

I personally think the MJ has sever mental health issues and need to see a professional as soon as! Although I think that what he is doing is outrageous and wacky hence his name Wacko Jacko he should be left to get on with it. He aint hurting anyone, but he should be supervised around children, by a responsible adult, not necessarily a professional but just simply a sane adult



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From: Amazed© Sent: 04/02/2003 11:14

Umm... what a lot of brand new members we have on this thread...



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From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:15

If I had children I wouldn't let them sleep at an older guy's house, but I understand what Michael's saying, that there needs to be more love, not sexual but love. DUH! HE ISNT HAVING SEX WITH YOUNG BOYS! He just doesn't want them to play on computer games and learn about terror and guns and stuff like that to kill off the world. He wants to live forever he mentioned, like everyone, but like...how can you if people are guna be violent and play on computer games, n stuff.



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From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:15

JACKO IS A FREAK. CANT UNDERSTAND WHY ANYONE WOULD STAND UP FOR HIS BEHAVIOUR. WHY ARE AMERICANS SO STUPID?



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From: HELLSNOANGEL Sent: 04/02/2003 11:15

I also have to say that OK he had a bad childhood, but so did his brothers, and they don't behave like this. Also his nephews have a white mother with blond hair, but none of them are blonde and they all have a darker than white skin tone.

They seem to have had a pretty normal childhood.

What is the point of Jacko hiding his kids faces if they're never going to go to school or anything anyway. If they are gonna stay protected with him, whats the harm with us knowing what they look like?

Maybe he has a problem with the way they look too?

Didn't princes hair look bleached?



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From: nat123 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:16

I think the statment u wrote bout mj was just plain stupid. If in face michael had'nt sexualy abused those kids then he would'nt have pain out the money 2 there famileys. If in face he was innocent he would have stayed in court and fought fot his innocence BUT he did'nt. The sharing a bed wiv a lil boy is absolutly crazy, if som1 who was'nt famouse did it when y should he get away wiv it!!!!!!

[cathy]

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From: abs Sent: 04/02/2003 11:17

when i watched the program i could not believe my eyes i used to be a huge fan of michaels now i am sickened to what he thinks is the 'norm'.It isnt right that a 44 year old man sleeps with other peoples children and if he is allowed to adopt children from around the world then thats making paedophiles legal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he is a freak!!!!!!!!!!!


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From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:17

If I was michael jackson I would cover my kids faces too, you know why don't you? cos people would say things about his kids and make his kids feel like he did when he was younger like his cousins and father did to him about his looks. he doesn't want them to be followed by people, he wants them to have a normal life cos if they don't they might turn out to be like him again...


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From: Sven Sent: 04/02/2003 11:18


I totaly agree - he tried to make him out as a paedophile! I think much more
of MJ now than I did before


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From: _LuckySprite_ Sent: 04/02/2003 11:19

Asash/Bacardi - why do you want the DNA test?? What difference does it make??

OK it might prove that MJ was a liar...but would that make you feel better? It has nothing to do with anyone else who the real parents of those children are or are not. Do you question people in the street as to the authenticity of their childrens parentage - no I would guess not.

The real point is - is he capable of bringing up those children with as normal a lifestyle as possible - not if he is their father or if they have contact with their mother. As long as the kids are brought up properly and educated according to the law etc then the children have as much chance of being normal as any other celebrities children (if that's normal!!).


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From: godzillah Sent: 04/02/2003 11:19

I have to completely defend Michael Jackson. The interview was so unfair. He was led to believe Martin was his friend, and then at the end he was pounced upon. MJ is just an innocent child trying to reclaim his childhood. Everything was blown out of all proportion on that interview. He believes the Children are the future and they should be cared for and given all the love they need. I don't believe for one minute that anything untoward happens with the children. It is so obvious the love his kids and other kids have for him. After all he is just still a child at heart himself. He did say more than once he actually slept on the floor not in the bed.

Leave the guy alone and concentrate on the real problems out there for which we have proof of.

An avid MJ fan,


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From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 11:19

I personally don't think there is sexual intent there ... however we don't know ... he's already lied vis a vis his visage (did you like that?). Why wouldn't he lie about sleeping in a bed and giving someone a 'special hug' etc. All paedophiles don't think of themselves as evil you know. They don't see themselves as doing anything wrong and can find hundreds of reasons to justify themselves.


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From: abs Sent: 04/02/2003 11:20

leany, yes princes hair did look dyed is that normal ?


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From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:20

MJ may not be a paedo but he's certainly not of sound mind and therefore shouldnt be trusted!

If all his songs were written with children in mind as he said, what about that song " the way you turn me on.."


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From: booraptor Sent: 04/02/2003 11:20

I agree that what happened to Wacko Jacko as a child is horrible and no-one desverves that kind of treatment, but I don't think its right for a fully grown man to invite young boys into his bedroom let alone his bed. I think the programme made it quite clear that Jackson has some real psychological problems. At times he seemed neurotic, and wasn't acting in the best interests of his children when he allowed them to be swamped by the media on what was meant to be a treat. He also contradicted himself on more than one occassion, and despite saying that he had "honestly" never had any cosmetic surgery, went on to reveal that infact he has (like we didn't know). if he can tell bare faced lies about that, what else is he lieing about?? Would you let your kids go round his house?? I know I wouldn't!!


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From: BigBob Sent: 04/02/2003 11:20

The reason there are no scars is because a skilled surgeon does not leave any! Despite what you think you can not deny that his face has been altered considerably and he eventually admitted that his nose had been done to 'ease breathing difficulties'. Maybe he does not want to admit that he has tried to alter his face but the end result is a nightmare!


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From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:20

um..why is he a paedophile for adopting kids around the world? he's helping them out, cos they have no one to turn to and he has plenty of money to keep everyone happy


Message 73 of 1186 in Discussion

From: cazzal Sent: 04/02/2003 11:21

I AGREE, WHATEVER MICHAEL JACKSON DOES IT WILL NEVER BE THE RIGHT THING IN THE PUBLICS' EYES. HOW MANY OTHER SO-CALLED CELEBS USE THEIR RICHES TO HELP CHILDREN LESS FORTUNATE THAN THEMSELVES. SURELY IF HE'D GOT ANYTHING TO HIDE HE WOULD NOT ALLOW THE CAMERAS IN HIS HOME. I THINK HE IS A VERY LONELY MAN WHO JUST WANTS TO BE LOVED!!!!!!!


Message 74 of 1186 in Discussion

From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 11:21

Martin Bashir is a journalist ... MJ should know that at least ... he's not stupid. Mad yes .. stupid no.


Message 75 of 1186 in Discussion

From: nat123 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:22

I think your statment was just plain stupid, MJ is a paedophile and in 1993 he was accused of "sexual abuse". If in face he was not guilty he would have stayed in court 2 prove his innocence. But he paid off the famileys wiv his fourtune. The legal system is a joke. It just proved if u have got money then u can get away wiv ne thing including ABUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Message 76 of 1186 in Discussion

From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:24

Jackson is a freak. People who worship jackson need their heads tested - the best thing that happened was Jarvis Cocker invading his silly perforamce at that award show a few years back!

[cathy]

Message 77 or 1186

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:24

Yes, well even if he did have plastic surgery it's up to him, everyone questions his face, it's so annoying, it's his life. And he did it cos people used to make fun of him when he was younger which made him hate his looks which made him get plastic surgery until... well i dunno. but like....leave him alone its his life and that man who presented it, was so g-a-y making out as if michael's a badie GRR IT SO ANNOYS ME!!!! - that documentary made me undertsnad michael more, b4 i thought he was wierdo but now i no what he's going thru


Message 78 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 11:24

MJ is a paedophile and in 1993 he was accused of "sexual abuse"

Ok lets get things calmed down a bit - firstly, MJ was ACCUSED not CONVICTED. In this country a person is innocent until proven guilty. If you want a libel case on your hands, continue to state such false "facts" as that you have stated above.


Message 79 of 1186 in Discussion

From: allmusic Sent: 04/02/2003 11:25

Michael Jackson is no freak. He cares for kids and would in no way at all hurt them.
The press try to destroy his career. So why carn't the press get lost and leave him alone. If he sleep with kids and nothing gose on then so what. HE IS NO PERVE and anyone who says he is well all I can say is they are sick.


Message 80 of 1186 in Discussion

From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 11:25

oh dear



Message 81 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Saralee Sent: 04/02/2003 11:25

um..why is he a paedophile for adopting kids around the world? he's helping them out, cos they have no one to turn to and he has plenty of money to keep everyone happy

How about he give the families of the kids he's adopting the money so they can keep their own kids and bring them up!


Message 82 of 1186 in Discussion

From: godzillah Sent: 04/02/2003 11:26

well I think you are a disgraceful bunch accusing people of being paedophiles. Just shows what the british justice system is like accuse now, and then find evidence later. So what if it ruins lives. It is obvious he would not harm a child. You should all look to the real paedophiles out there and see what the justice system is doing to them. I think you will be shocked by the amount there are out there that have walked free.



Message 83 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Healy Sent: 04/02/2003 11:27

Micheal certainly does have idealistic ways, and I do sympathise with his childhood. To be honest he has obviously got some mental scars, and instead of dealing with them he trapped himself in a dream world, Neverland. The way he used to deal with things I suppose.

"Oh someone doesn't like my face...BOOHOO... oh wait a minute... with all this money I can change it!.. Hey Dad, this week I don't want candy or sweets... I decided to get a new nose!"

He obviously doesn't get out much to see the real world, which is why he's so cuckoo! I was frightening to see him so close to that 13 year kid... okay he's moral and thoughts are Idealistic... but who can really trust the man who so obviously lies about his face...!

Cop on all those Micheal fans out there, you have to admit that he has at least lied about that...!




Message 84 of 1186 in Discussion

From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:27

Has anyone noticed that the folk here who are defending Jackson seem to have very poor grammar and dreadful articulation...can we conclude that they are a bit thick and hence cant see that Jackson is indeed a freak? Are these the type of people who would scream and cry if they got the chance to glimpse him?



Message 85 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Chromodynamix Sent: 04/02/2003 11:27

I'm not sure weather he has done anything wrong, though I strongly suspect he has, with two payoffs that we know about. That itself indicates guilt.
But it goes to show that if you have money, yoiu can just about do as you please and get away with it.



Message 86 of 1186 in Discussion

From: max2well Sent: 04/02/2003 11:27

It is sad that people have to think of a BED as a SEXUAL thing, As Micheal said what the world needs is more love, Love to Kids, Adults, Neighbours. The society has gotten to that point, if u sleep in bed with your own kid, People would have to say there is something wrong (SEXUAL ABUSE). If we all see MJ as a monster, We (People & Press) created this monster, Could we all imagine the freedom we have walking on the streets and not getting mobbed but people and the press. What a wonderful life we have. MJ has helped so many people, In terms of giving LIFE, HOPE, PEACE. People complain of his spending money, it's his so let him be. JUST LEAVE HIM ALONE STOP DOGGIN' HIM AROUND.

MJ's MUSIC - If no MJ forget about black musical video been aired on MTV, Ranging from USHER to JUSTIN TIMEBERLAKE idolise MJ, MJ sold 50 million copies of THILLER, INVINCIBLE sold about 2 to 3 million, Not bad Other artist are praying to sell just a million. Cmon GIVE THIS GUY CREDIT



Message 87 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:27

oh yeeehh...he woulda stayed in court.... well thats a point! but im sure he didn't do anything wrong, you're mean people and hate michael for no reason, isn't that a bit raciest or whatever? i bet you all hate him cos you all think he looks like a monkey now! u can all just go away cos thats well nasty!


(1 recommendation so far) Message 88 of 1186 in Discussion

From: abs Sent: 04/02/2003 11:27

ok so he may not be a paed.I understand that he had a hard child hood but if any of us boasted of sharing a bed with kids we would be locked up and have the key thrown away! wouldnt we!


Message 89 of 1186 in Discussion

From: tootts Sent: 04/02/2003 11:27

if you actually lostened to what the set up was, you wouldn't have such a
narrow linded opinion!!

Message 90 of 1186 iin discussion

From: BigBob Sent: 04/02/2003 11:28

Yeah. And if MJ makes it appear right even more will walk free!


Message 91 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Hardy Sent: 04/02/2003 11:28

I watched the program last night and actually felt sorry for MJ. I think the reason why he likes kids is because he was never allowed to be one.

[cathy]

Message 92 of 1186 in discussion

From: Hampshirebabe Sent: 04/02/2003 11:28

If you've got a problem with surogacy then thats up to you, but lots of women who cant have kids find this their last hope. Why should it be worse if its for a man, there's no big outcry for gay men, why for him?


Message 93 of 1186 in Discussion

From: RegQdon Sent: 04/02/2003 11:28

The man's a headcase and if those kids are going to have any chance of a normal life they need to be taken away from him ASAP, their young and don't deserve the kind of lifestyle they'll end up being subjected to with Wacko around. On a different note what was wrong with those fans? Are they demented as well? he's just a bloke with an odd face who used to be a talented singer, is there any real need for a frenzy and buckets of tears. what little personality the man has left doesn't deserve the kinda of attention his fans were given him. Any Americans out there can you confirm or deny the statemnet that most americans have bad taste, I mean come on no one could possibly think that one thing in that shop was in any way, shape or form stylish.



Message 94 of 1186 in Discussion

From: _LuckySprite_ Sent: 04/02/2003 11:29

nat123 - errrm ok.....shouldn't you be in school or something??? Repeating the same point ocer and over again isn't going to convince people to listen to your point, if indeed you have one. As far as I know MJ has not been convicted/tried or even charged with any paedo offences, and therefore contrary to your post is not a peadophile....fact.


(1 recommendation so far) Message 95 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Fingy Sent: 04/02/2003 11:29

Again, like a lot of people here, I watched the programme out of total nosiness, and again, like most, started off feeling a little pitying of the guy. But it sunk in very quickly that most of the interview, from his side, was entirely orchestrated for that very reason; to incite that feeling. His kids are going to grow up in that atmosphere, probably/definitely with psychological problems. Did you see the manic way he was feeding that wee baby? The childs eyes were petrified!!!! Having kids myself, i know how mine reacted if a vest or anything else got stuck or was put over their heads, and that was by accident! I thought Marin Bashir retained his composure extremely well considering the tripe he was listening too, and NO!!!! I don't think most of what we heard or seen was THE REAL Michael Jackson, except for the WACKO bit, which kept shining through all too clearly. Someone should remove the kids, the guy is no father, anyone can 'father' a child, even him, but........Michael Jackson showed that he is a show off, loves adulation, accessories, shopping and doesn't ever want to grow up. He lies, is unfeeling, except where it concerns himself, and by the end of the programme, i was feeling sick at the thought of that guy with kids.


Message 96 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 11:29

And if MJ makes it appear right even more will walk free!

even more what? even more people ACCUSED but not CONVICTED of any crime?



Message 97 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:29

um..why is he a paedophile for adopting kids around the world? he's helping them out, cos they have no one to turn to and he has plenty of money to keep everyone happy

How about he give the families of the kids he's adopting the money so they can keep their own kids and bring them up!

maybe the families are not healthy enough, and duh! he wants to look after the kids who have been given away cos the families dont' want then cos they were a mistake n stuff



Message 98 of 1186 in Discussion

From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:30

Stop being so soft and so blinkered. His behaviour is unacceptable end of story.
COME ON WAKE UP!



Message 99 of 1186 in Discussion

From: TheJackson69 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:30

Maybe Jackon should think about putting a super group together with the likes of Pete Townsend and Gary Glitter. You never know they could do a tour of local schools.



Message 100 of 1186 in Discussion

From: nickity splitz Sent: 04/02/2003 11:30

never mind him, where are these kids' parents? there's no way on the planet that i would let my kids within 10 miles of the creep, paedo or not, he's one crazy, unstable guy. After all those rumours years ago, maybe the parents or whoever else is looking after them should have the guts to say no way pal!



Message 101 of 1186 in Discussion

From: BigBob Sent: 04/02/2003 11:31

Then he should not put himself in a position where accusations can be made.



Message 102 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Hampshirebabe Sent: 04/02/2003 11:31

How can anyone suggest his kids should be taken away from him. No parent is perfect, if you took away all the kids with a slightly less than 'NORMAL' parent there would be no normal families left.



Message 103 of 1186 in Discussion

From: godzillah Sent: 04/02/2003 11:31

Oh gosh yes Jarvis Cocker, what a great assett to society, I mean he made such a difference to people's lives didn't he. Was it him who dedicated a whole tour to "heal the world" and all the proceeds went to charity. Oh no sorry I think you will find it was actually Michael Jackson. Jarvis Cocker... where is he now, hanging off a lampost I believe advertising Broadband internet. Wow what a career!!! NOT



Message 104 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:31

Has anyone noticed that the folk here who are defending Jackson seem to have very poor grammar and dreadful articulation...can we conclude that they are a bit thick and hence cant see that Jackson is indeed a freak? Are these the type of people who would scream and cry if they got the chance to glimpse him?

uhhh nooo its because i can't b arsed to do grama its a chat on the net who cares man



Message 105 of 1186 in Discussion

From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 11:31

Exactly Fingy



Message 106 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ExaltedTurnip Sent: 04/02/2003 11:31

MJ is clearly a besieged and frequently confused individual and as last night's programme showed, his entourage do little to offer him valuable guidance. On the contrary, he appears to be surrounded by sycophants whose obsequiousness precludes them from speaking their minds and helping MJ to engage with the world.

I do not believe him to be psychotic on the strength of what I saw (I am an assistant psychologist), but his unusual lifestyle and circumstances have made it hard for him to forge conventional friendships and almost impossible to live a "normal" life (whatever that is).

However, he was frequently intelligent and articulate and, for all his occassional lapses of judgement, I did not see evidence of anything sinister with regards his treatment of his children. Even the balcony episode, which was certainly unwise - but no more than that -was blown out of proportion by an hysterical press.

As for Bashir's reporting, it was loathsome, subjective, prone to insidious suggestion rather than evidence, and was pompous and self -righteous in tone throughout. Par for the course then.

If I had a chance to talk to MJ, who seems like very pleasant albeit frightened and much-harrassed man, I would urge him to have the courage to surround himself with level headed people, many of whom might tell him things he doesn't want to hear, and to me prepared to heed and act on their counsel.

And the best of luck to him.

Tristian Trigg

[cathy]

Message 107 of 1186 in Discussion


From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 11:32

Stop being so soft and so blinkered. His behaviour is unacceptable end of story.
COME ON WAKE UP!

What if the kid down the road pointed the finger at YOU? What proof would you have against it? how would you know that mud wont stick regardless? There is NO proof whatsoever of MJ being a paedo - be careful what you ACCUSE people of.


Message 108 of 1186 in Discussion

From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 11:32

Jarvis got on stage and waggled his bum at Jacko because at the time, Michael Jackson was setting himself up as Jesus, and having children come at worship at his feet. It was a sickening display. Remember the picture in the documentary?


Message 109 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:33

was the program last night shown all around the world or just in the uk?


Message 110 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Saralee Sent: 04/02/2003 11:33

Hampshirebabe

Maybe because he isnt being honest about things...and yet he insists he is being truthful. First he claims that the children are naturally conceived and yet you are saying whats wrong with surrogacy, so I assume you mean he used surrogacy. Sorry but the natural way and surrogacy are not the same thing!


(1 recommendation so far) Message 111 of 1186 in Discussion

From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:33

haha! at least Javis Cocker stood up as a normal bloke exposing just how ludicrous Jackson is!


Message 112 of 1186 in Discussion

From: avy Sent: 04/02/2003 11:33

It is obvious that MJ is just a child at heart and is out of touch with reality. He is probably innocent of accusations of paedophilia however he not helping his case with his careless interaction with children.
I however note that the reporter already had a strongly biased view of MJ as a peadohpile. He should know that he is supposed to conduct the interview with an open mind. I guess the press had to give him a label given his cryptic way of life.
AVY.


Message 113 of 1186 in Discussion

From: redhuntress Sent: 04/02/2003 11:33

I think you're completely missing the point here.

This man is NOT in his right mind. He is obviously still a child who doesn't even consider that his actions could be construed as perverted. I doubt he's ever had sex in his life, with either man , woman or god forbid, child.
I'm not a fan, but was left with the impression that he is certainly no danger to children and that we have more to fear from reporters who are prepared to twist facts to get a story at any cost.


Message 114 of 1186 in Discussion

From: anniestanny Sent: 04/02/2003 11:33

What is so wrong with somone staying over in someone elses bed. How does that make sombody not be in sound mind. I am sure that nothing is wrong if it was you having a child over to stay and they slept in your bed so what is the big difference because he is MJ. Everybody is just too judgemental and it is not right. Why do you have to think of it as sexual or not right. Does it not make sense that if you went to your idol or hero's house and they offered you there bedroom I am sure you would want to stay in there and not say no. Sometimes people should not judge just because of fame.


Message 115 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Hampshirebabe Sent: 04/02/2003 11:34

WELL SAID TRISTIAN!!!!!


(1 recommendation so far) Message 116 of 1186 in Discussion

From: lenny Sent: 04/02/2003 11:34

Pandy ... a 44 year old man sharing a bed with a 12 year old child is not on. End of story.


Message 117 of 1186 in Discussion

From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:34

well said fingy!



Message 118 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 11:35

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Message 119 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 11:35

It is obvious that MJ is just a child at heart and is out of touch with reality. He is probably innocent of accusations of paedophilia however he not helping his case with his careless interaction with children.

Well said. Now I wouldnt want my kids near a bloke out of touch with reality. Its nothing to do with paedo allegations. MJ is a very rich person, there is nothing to say this child (cant remember his name) didnt just make accusations to get money. There is nothing proven one way or the other. MJ is NOT a convicted paedo, like Gary Glitter, and there is no real evidence apart from hearsay against him, unlike Pete Townshend.


Message 120 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 11:35From: Saralee

Sincerely Fabia

Obviously you know very little about adoption, 'maybe the families arent healthy enough'? The majority of children given up for adoption is because they lack financial assistance for the parents.


(1 recommendation so far) Message 121 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Hardy Sent: 04/02/2003 11:36

Can we have a special Michael Jackson board Pandy?



(only kidding)

[cathy]

Message 122 of 1186 in Discussion

From: BigBob Sent: 04/02/2003 11:36

What if the kid down the road pointed the finger at YOU? What proof would you have against it? how would you know that mud wont stick regardless? There is NO proof whatsoever of MJ being a paedo - be careful what you ACCUSE people of.

There is no proof but there is clear evidence he has an obsession with young children. Be that healthy or unhealthy is left to the viewer to decide. In most cases there is a history of abuse. So someone would be unlikely to accuse you out of the blue. I rest my case.


Message 123 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:36

you're all thick, he said the 12 year old slept in his bed, and michael jackson slept on the floor!

isn't that what your'e supposed to do with guests?
my fav band is new found glory yeh, and if they asked me to stay round for the nite, i'd wanna sleep in thier bed, cos i hate sleeping on the floor and then i cud tell all my jealous friends ''I SLEPT IN THIER BED!!!'' lol there we go! my version of the story!


Message 124 of 1186 in Discussion

From: becka13 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:36

And? Is it such a big deal that a billionaire has had plastic surgery? No wonder the man has gone a little mad with all the terrible rumors and bad publicity. Isn't it time to just leave the guy alone???


Message 125 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:37

yeh i no i dont no much about adoption....its not like i've adopted someone b4 is it...


Message 126 of 1186 in Discussion

From: feline Sent: 04/02/2003 11:37

Michael Jackson knew what he was doing when he let the cameras into his house, he wanted the publicity he is now getting, no-one will ever know the REAL truth, and whats the big deal anyway? He'll do wot he likes no matter what, i think he should just be left alone to do it.


Message 127 of 1186 in Discussion

From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:38

RIGHT-O all you LOSER Jacko fans.....
gotta get back on with work....but thanks for amusing me with your stupidity for believing such a manipulative liar...

for those of you who agree he's a loon, good on you glad to know there some people out there with some sense!


Message 128 of 1186 in Discussion

From: allmusic Sent: 04/02/2003 11:38

nat123,

Michael Jackson is no paedophole ok. You are sick in saying that. how would you like it if some one said that you are a paedophile and is was not ture. That how michael feels. SO SHUT UP.


Message 129 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Healy Sent: 04/02/2003 11:38

In an idealistic world there is nothing wrong with Kids sleeping in your bed, but it not one. Micheal is a BLATANTLY lied about his face, and doubts should be raised about kids in his room. It should be stopped!


(1 recommendation so far) Message 130 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 11:38

Hello scary people!


(1 recommendation so far) Message 131 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 11:38

HARDY!! LOL

no you bloody cant ok?

There is no proof but there is clear evidence he has an obsession with young children

Because it would appear he thinks he still is one. But there still is no proof of abuse.

. In most cases there is a history of abuse. So someone would be unlikely to accuse you out of the blue

What about that guy from Red Dwarf who spent time on remand for a rape he didnt commit then?



Message 132 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:39

lol!@scary people!

im well into this story now!


Message 133 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Minx1 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:39

I think the comment about the people defending MJ is out of line.... Is it wrong for people to try and see the good side of people...? Yes MJ is a bit detatched from reality BUT the allegations of child abuse were dropped as soon as a large cash settlement was offered... How many victims of abuse would settle for money? My bet is none. Therefore that surely casts doubts the the allegations were true in the first place.


Message 134 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Hampshirebabe Sent: 04/02/2003 11:39

Saralee,

He said the last one was surrogacy.

And why should it be questioned if they are biologicaly his or not? Why wouldn't they be his, its not difficult to impregnate some one withoput having sex with them, why would he just adopt them?


Message 135 of 1186 in Discussion

From: sane josie Sent: 04/02/2003 11:39

From watching that programme last night i initially felt a great sadness for that man. Jackson wants to live in neverland and wants to be peter pan 'the boy who never grew up'. I believe there is no one in his eccentric life to tell him how to act in a society which is now as alien to him as the value of money. However i believe in his innocence when his says that he did not have sexual relations with any children as he doesnt seem to be a grown man mentally and behaves as a child. I seriously doubt those children are even his and it is their welfare that needs to be addressed!!!! (masks,princes bleached hair,zoo trip nightmare all very worrying and to name a few).
1.Micheal needs some serious councelling (and deal with his childhood)
2.Micheal needs to lose the 'yes men' and find someone who can bring him back down to earth and really cares for him
3.The children need to be in the care of capable guardians (why has nothing been done to look after these childrens welfare)
This freak that has been created has come from a very abnormal upbringing but i feel nothing but pity and wonder why did this billionaire who could buy anything never have basic human need of love or care?


Message 136 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:39

hey what's everyone listening to i'm listening to busted! =)

[cathy]

Message 137 of 1186 in Discussion

From: godzillah Sent: 04/02/2003 11:40

Jackson is not a freak and you are all sick to think that way.


Message 138 of 1186 in Discussion

From: shylove Sent: 04/02/2003 11:40

so what if they have poor grammar. anyway MJ is a nice and kind person. i don`t know why people don`t like him. he changed his colour so what, he sleeps with children is not he is sexually abusing them. don`t you think that boy would have stop going to his house if he was doing that. he worked for his money so if he decides to go change his colour, sexuality or whatever he decides to do is up to him. not the public, the press or even us the funs. if i was MJ and anyone ask about my face i will tell them my face and if i decide to have surgery to even take it off is none of your busy.


Message 139 of 1186 in Discussion

From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:40

glad to knoiw other people are enjoying winding up the dopey jackson fans as I am...what FUN!!! this is what the internet is all about!


Message 140 of 1186 in Discussion

From: lapatka Sent: 04/02/2003 11:40

I think the programme last night delibrately manipulated the way it portrayed Michael Jackson. A lot of you need to stop being so easily hooked in by media manipulation and think for yourselves.

The programme started off as it promised and showed us how Michael lives. He's absolutely minted and just buys whatever he wants and lives the way he wants - fair play too him ! I wish I could do the same. Then the slant on the programme changed and every point was reinforced by Martin to make us all think what an absolute weirdo.

I just thought it was sad, I didn't think it needed to be done and I'm sure most of us would have been happy with just seeing how he lives in his fairytale world.

To be honest I do think hes quite disturbed and showed lots of symptoms of mania (which for all you uneducated morons is a mental illness rather than qualifying him insane !!). He's led a very unusual life and its made him an unusual man but again it doesn't make him a freak.

The company of children thing isn't a normal thing to do for most people but the programme plainly showed he lives like a child and I would think he probably finds children very unthreatening and safe company. He also seems a totally unsexual person and I would be very surprised if his time with disadvantaged children was anything but innocent. If that kid hadn't made allegations (more than likely prompted by some money grabbing parents) would everyone still be thinking this ?




Message 141 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Valentino Sent: 04/02/2003 11:40

Well the insight he gave us of himself yesterday night was clearly painfull. I'm not a fan of MJ but all I'm saying is that he simply loves children and wants them to live in a better place for you and for me, that's why he wrote "HEAL THE WORLD!". You can't ignore the fact that he was abused during his childhood by his dad, give the man a break his trying to give what he didn't get during his childhood to other neglected children. He doesn't want to see children suffering. He wants to build a better place for them.


Message 142 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:41

what you're all doing is wrong anyway...there's crazy men in this world (crazier than mj) who like kill thier kids, and u go crazy about mj and his! it's well wierd


Message 143 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Angeltiz Sent: 04/02/2003 11:41

I don't think that there is anything sordid about Jacko's behaviour with children cause as fair as he is concerned he is only a child himself..... He is not all there but that is due to his awful upbringing!! And as for his children I believe he covers their faces for fear of kidnap and abduction so by concealing their identity he is preventing this from happening.
I really believe that Jacko is not capable of molesting children, when even talking about sex he started to get very embarresed and giggly like a teenager.



Message 144 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:42

lol!@nonse-sence or however ur name is spelt!


Message 145 of 1186 in Discussion

From: emma_180 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:42

Hey guys, im having a debate with some friends, zoe thinks hes well talented but a freak, kay thinks he is very confused and is also talented, i think he is very talented and i think that because of the way his father had treated him in the past he has become child friendly and has become the complete oposite of his father!!!!!


Message 146 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Scot Cheggs Sent: 04/02/2003 11:43

Because He's bad, He's bad - come on
(Bad, bad -really really bad)
You know He's bad, He's bad - you know it
(Bad, bad -really really bad)
You know He's bad, He's bad - you know it, you know
(Bad, bad -really really bad)
And the whole world has to answer know
(And the whole world has to answer right now
Just to tell you once again
(Just to tell you once again)
WHOS BAD?


Message 147 of 1186 in Discussion

From: gluka Sent: 04/02/2003 11:43

Why is it so hard for people to accept that we can never all be the same. People are always eager to negatively criticise, whatever the circumstances. This Bashir guy seemed to have gone out there to “get” Michael whatever the case. Something like, I will get you out of that “thick wall” you are hiding in you “pe……..”! How much can some one do to show that he/she is not what the press has depicted? Let us be more human and accept credit where it is due.



Message 148 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:43

i bet michael jackson died and got a lookalikie who was a teenager to be him for the rest of his life! and thats why he looks so different and its not plastic serguery! lol


Message 149 of 1186 in Discussion

From: SillySlappper Sent: 04/02/2003 11:43

This is freaking me out!!!!


Message 150 of 1186 in Discussion

From: kaelee Sent: 04/02/2003 11:43

I dont think hes a pedo but i dont think its right how he is inviting little children to sleep with him in his bed. I could understand if they were related, or have had a friendship going for years, but that isnt the way. I can see that Micheal doesnt want to grow up, and he only wanrs do childish things, and I think its sweet of him to invite unfortunate children to Never Land, but sleepin in HIS bed with HIM isnt right. If they had their own single bed (and he DOES have lots of other bedrooms) then I may feel better about the matter.


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Message 151 of 1186 in Discussion

From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:43

Sincerely Fabia I'm listening to The Datsuns...proper geetar ROCK not that rubbish that Jacko pushes to kids....

[cathy]

Message 152 0f 1186 in Discussion

From: Darkhorse79 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:43

I totally agree!


Message 153 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Just Jodie Sent: 04/02/2003 11:43

I presume those of you who say there's nothing wrong with MJ sleeping with children or you believe his story about the growth hormones are MJ fans.

Growth hormones DO NOT change the colour of your skin, shape of your eyes, tattoo permanent eyeliner on you, colour your lips red, resculpt your cheekbones and chin, insert a dimple into your chin etc etc etc. Those of you who believe the growth hormone story are so engrossed in MJ that you won't believe otherwise.

As for sleeping with children, how do we know he's not sexual with them? Just because he says he isn't? He also says he's not had his skin bleached when he obviously has, so can we believe him? The man is a peadophile, peadophiles don't see anything wrong with sleeping with children. There's nothing innocent about a 44 year old man sharing a bed with children, it's just that his head is so f*cked he can't see it's wrong. If it wasn't MJ, i.e. a very rich pop star, those parents wouldn't let their children near him.

I'll finish how I started. Those of you who believe a word the man says are obviously big fans and will believe every word he says.

I'll get off my soapbox now


Message 154 of 1186 in Discussion

From: __Koishii__ Sent: 04/02/2003 11:43

Now wait a minute here!!!! My daughter shared the bed with my husband and I until she was 11 when'she chose' to have her own room, I lived in south east asia and this sort of thing is common, it is called family....I even totally breast fed her untill she was 1 year and 11 months old, but she was still taking my milk occassionally until she was almost 4...This too is not frowned upon in south east asia, it is what a mother does if she can. But I return to the UK and find that the term Motherhood, has become an uncaring scientific word, people look at me strange when I tell of my experiences as a mother. BUT my daughter is a kind, intelligent caring individual of who I am most proud, she is a young adult, who knows where she is going in life, but most of all I can honestly say she truely loves me, if more adults cared for their children instead of their own needs first, many more couples would spend bed time with their kids instead of shuffling them off to their nursery rooms, many more children would be more content and sure of them selves as individuals when they eventually leave the nest. Sharing a bed with a child is not a mortal sin, and presuming to think that there is an ulterior motive, is wrong, there are a few peads out there, and so the whole world goes paranoid.....I know what I needed when I was a child, and I gave it to my daughter, and am very, very glad I did.


Message 155 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 11:44

moving this here


From: sexysugar (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 11:40

He is very lonely even though he has his three children around him, yeah were all different and some people have even experienced some of what happened to him as a child and as he says you don't automatically become an abuser just because you were abused as a child. What ever he has or not done Allah knows and all i say is this no one has the right to judge this man like this the day will come for all of us to meet our MASTER and only him will answer to. I feel sorry for him, he does give a lot of himself and his money to all kinds of charities and i pray that he is an inoccent man who's just lost in his adulthood.


Message 156 of 1186 in Discussion

From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 11:44

I dont belive that they were true. Cause if it was you child that was abused you aint going to settle for money are you!!


Message 157 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:44

you know michael jackson....what does he do now? is he still guna do songs n stuff?
when i was lil iwanted to watch thirrer but i always got so scared and screamed! i've still never seen it!


Message 158 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ladyelle77 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:44

I think Michael Jackson seriously needs couselling. He has major issues due to his childhood, this man was treated appaulingly as a child by his father, in psychology we are told of the argument of agents of socialisation, (the people who care for us and educate us), make us the people we are , ie , father support a certain football team then his son is likely to support the same team, this poses the question then , is it surprising the man has a very strange outlook on how u treat children ?
We cannot also dismiss the fact that this man has been in the public eye for most of his life, he became famous at 5, we have to ask ourselves how well adjusted we would be if we had had the same life as him ?
Having said all that , I was dismayed by the revelations on how he ' cares' for those children, and I think if he wasnt rich and famous then the social services would have stepped in with some support if not with alternative accomodation for the children.
I think him allowing children in his bed is very strange but his sense of reality is very different from the average persons.
I am a mother of four and would not give MJ an hour alone with my children.
The allegations made against MJ may have been for money , but if he is innocent he would not have had to pay money to keep the boy and his family silent.
The programme raised more questions than it answered and I switched off afterwards having had my initial thoughts on MJ well and truely reitterated, the man is not a well adjusted adult, he has a very strange perception of reality and seriously needs the help of a mental health professional.

Whilst the man has talent and fans its important that we do not let this cloud ur judgement on the fact that the mans grip on reality is far from that of a well adjusted adult, and he has a warped sense of unconditional love.

Message 159 of 1186 in Discussion

From: wendywo Sent: 04/02/2003 11:45

Hi I have to agree that Michael is a bit odd, but given his up bringing then maybe we should be a little more sympathetic. As for hiding his kids faces, he admitted that he wanted them to have as normal a life as possible so if the press don't know what they look like when they are older they maybe able to walk the streets without being hounded. I think on the whole Michael is very naive and doesnt realise the implications of his actions, he just wants to change the world into a better place. He is not a child molestor, afterall would the mothers of his children let him have virtually sole custody of his kids if he were? I dont think so. The press are so quick to report negative things about Michael what about all the money he gives to charities and how he helps the under previlaged children never do they get mentioned. We all live in a very weird and wonderful world and I dont think Michael will ever be aloud to grow up the Press would simply not allow it. If he started behaving "normally" the press would have a field day.


Message 160 of 1186 in Discussion

From: SillySlappper Sent: 04/02/2003 11:45

Stop it.

You're scaring me.


Message 161 of 1186 in Discussion

From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 11:45

Jackson has the money and the fame to get whatever he wants.

I didn't like those urns but then again I don't like the wallpaper my mum has in her front room. There's no accounting for taste and just because his taste differs from yours does not make him crazy.

Dude was beaten as a child and was honest about those experiences in the interview. Being beaten and not being allowed to have a childhood has affected him. So instead of offering help like we would to someone in our own community we label him Wacko.

Given the choice I would have a room in my house dedicated to the Blues Brothers. Yes I might be crazy in your eyes but it's something I want to do.

Is anything he is doing harming anyone? No. The affect this lifestyle has on his children is yet to be seen but they seemed happy enough and understood why they had to wear the masks. To be honest, if I were in his position I would do the same.

You saw the fans and the happiness he brings to lots of people. He was right when he said the world needs more love.

As for dangling the baby... it was a mistake and he made it. It was a mistake for my parents to leave me playing on the monkeybars while they wer on the other side of the playground as I proceeded to hit the back of my head and cut it right open. Parents make mistakes.


Message 162 of 1186 in Discussion

From: BigBob Sent: 04/02/2003 11:46

Because it would appear he thinks he still is one. But there still is no proof of abuse.

But there are accusations. True or untrue? There remains a questionmark over his behaviour. If it were me I would go out of my way to disprove the false accusations. MJ had the chance in 93 and blew it. He has no strength of character and a very sad mind, he must think that money can buy anything.


Message 163 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 11:46

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Message 164 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:46

i dont listen to michael jackson's songs, i used to love him when i was tiny, my mum went 2 c him in concert when i was like 2 and i so wanted to go! and i crawled around all day following her so i cud go but then i got tired and fell asleep on the sofa b4 she left =( hehe!


Message 165 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Just Jodie Sent: 04/02/2003 11:46

softkoisi: There's a big difference between mothering methods in south east asia and the USA.

And nobody is questionning him sharing a bed with his own children. He's sharing a bed with other people's kids.

You missed the point.


Message 166 of 1186 in Discussion

From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:46

the more you love Jackson the bigger your choice of fontsize....oh come on, thats just a showy as Jackson buying those million dollar urns! how sad!!

[cathy]

Message 167 of 1186 in Discussion

From: _Swanny___1 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:46

i'm scared too, can't we just get back to left/right bashing and talking about murder in the middle east


Message 168 of 1186 in Discussion

From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 11:46

ladyelle77 why is your writting so big we aint blind


Message 169 of 1186 in Discussion

From: norm149 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:47

I totally agree. It appears a lot of people have been sucked in to this report. We won't ever know the real truth. Who cares really? For all we know it could be just a publicity stunt! He's a man with a lot of money, and in this world money gives him the power to do what he wants! He made some great tunes, but he's lost in his own world now! Why do we need to know all this information about him?


Message 170 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:47

do you have to write loads and make ur font so big its well annoying no1 will read it cos it's annoying to read!


Message 171 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Aerobatics Sent: 04/02/2003 11:48

I think that MJ Juist trying to create his own world and who can blame the poor guy?
I also think he bought so much stuff in that guys shop so he can see his mony in front of him and when he dies thay will most probably doble in prise.
I know he said that he dosent want to die mibie smthing to do with the fact that his mother and sisters are Witneses? I am


Message 172 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:48

im seeing soething coporate in march omg im so excited! and next week friday im going on ready steady cook! (valentines day!) WOW WEES! i met karl kennedy! =)


Message 173 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Pandy-MSN Sent: 04/02/2003 11:48

Bob accusations are not proof of guilt


moving this here

From: kayjayne (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 11:41

he is just haveing a child hood now coz he never hade on when he was littal so please just let him live his life people like him kids like him he just wants to be nice to childern coz he is trying to give them a better chilled hood than what he had so plz leave him!!!!



can we all please reduce the font size I am going blind


Message 174 of 1186 in Discussion

From: DarthGrayson Sent: 04/02/2003 11:49

No. We are normal people who cannot help but see the good side of people, and who don't get lost in the layers and layers of accusations and tabloid rubbish that the media force on us day after day..... You might want to take an objective view and watch the program again, perhaps you might change your mind then.


Message 175 of 1186 in Discussion

From: anniestanny Sent: 04/02/2003 11:49

MJ is totally innocent


Message 176 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 11:49

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Message 177 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Gambo Sent: 04/02/2003 11:49

I want to ask you a question, if it was an ordinary everyday person that said all the things M.J. said would you still think he needs counselling?.


Message 178 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Foxy Sent: 04/02/2003 11:50

no swearing - no personal attacks - this is a G-Rated group

Read the Guidelines


Message 179 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:50

How old are you guys?


Message 180 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 11:50

I had to put this here cos its funny

From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 11:48

Argh!! loonies!!! Loonies besieging the site!!!


Message 181 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 11:50

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[cathy]

Message 182 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:51

no1 seems to answer my questions! =( earlier i asked if the documentary was shown just in uk last nite! well...?

Message 183 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:51

what happened to that doctor he had a kid with? why did she leave

Message 184 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Foxy Sent: 04/02/2003 11:52

let's keep the topic on this thread guys...

From: Sam G (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 11:50

I personally felt quite sorry for Michael Jackson, he's had a hard upbringing and its clearly affected him in later life. I think he needs some kind of counselling or help into facing up to the truth / reality. As for his kids they will never live a normal life with those masks and the farce they have every time they go out of the door. The Beckham kids will grow up to be just as famous as Jacko's kids but will no doubt lead far more of a normal life than Paris & both Michaels and that speaks volumes for the parents. Also if Michael is so concerned with children "bonding" with others, then why are his children not allowed to bond with their mothers, especially Debbie Rowe's children. Are any of these kids really Michael's do we think, none seem to have inherited any of his genes. I don't think Michael is a bad person, just very confused and in need of some serious help. Lets hope he receives it!



Message 185 of 1186 in Discussion

From: SillySlappper Sent: 04/02/2003 11:52

Sorry!!!

Gawd that was funny.


Message 186 of 1186 in Discussion

From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 11:52

i couldnt tell u


Message 187 of 1186 in Discussion

From: anniestanny Sent: 04/02/2003 11:52

No they wouldn't they just like to involve them self and make judement on peoples life it just is not right they should take a good look at themselves first before judging other people. I hate the fact that people love to comment on other peoples lifes why not comment on there own. Because I am sure that they could find so much errors in there own life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Message 188 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Mids Sent: 04/02/2003 11:52

In the name of God! Who are these people?


Message 189 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Gambo Sent: 04/02/2003 11:52

See- this is exactly the point people don't want to face the fact that not everything has to have a sexual meaning.


Message 190 of 1186 in Discussion

From: _Swanny___1 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:53

help us, we're being swamped!



Message 191 of 1186 in Discussion

om: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:53

are you all old people or what? tell me i wana no

Message 192 of 1186 in Discussion

From: nonce sence Sent: 04/02/2003 11:53

This is all very funny and I'm really enjoying myself, but, I really must get back to work now before lunch (ahhh its tough at the top) so, see ya'll later, and remember, if a ghostly white figure moonwlks to the foot of your bed at night - offer it to him and sleep on the floor. DO NOT under any circumstances remain in the bed...



Message 193 of 1186 in Discussion

From: emma_180 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:53

i think ur rite it isnt hard to in pregnate sumone, now adays. Its upto him if he wants to do that its his life who r we to judge.


I WONT BE GONE FOR LONG IM ABOUT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD. iF YOU SEE ME ON THE NEWS IT WILL BE WITH BIN LINERS BODY


Message 194 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 11:53

Argh! Back I say!! Get back!!! Seal the doors, pile tables against them!!! Foxy, come on, fleeeeeeeeee!!!


Message 195 of 1186 in Discussion

From: nexus6_____ Sent: 04/02/2003 11:53

Michael jackson bumps into Woody Allen in New York, and says to him -
"hey, Woody! have you got 2 fives for a ten?"


(1 recommendation so far) Message 196 of 1186 in Discussion

From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 11:54

we dont have a clue

[cathy]

197 or 1186 in Discussion

From: Hampshirebabe Sent: 04/02/2003 11:54

Fabia

I'll be old next month, I'll be 30!!!!!!


Message 198 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 11:55

u all smell funnie...


Message 199 of 1186 in Discussion

From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 11:55

Why does age matter SF?


Message 200 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Mids Sent: 04/02/2003 11:55

It's like George Romero film! They're all shuffling towards us drooling and gibbering.


Message 201 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 11:55

Im gonna award you post of the week Gnu


Message 202 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Amazed© Sent: 04/02/2003 11:56

I don't understand their language.
Is it me or them?


Message 203 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Miss_Spooky3 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:56

What every1 is forgetting, is that MJ may have childern staying in his bed, (With him on the floor) BUT there is no evidence of SEXUAL activities going on. How many childern stay with relatives over night/in their beds with nothing going on - or in some cases "goings on" Is that ok?
I believe that from a disturbed childhood MJ doesn't want to grow up, but clearly hang on to what we all want - how many men play paintball? How many adults given the chance will enjoy a day out at Thorpe park, Disney world? Does this mean that we all derranged?
From what I saw last night, I think he generally wants to "Heal the World" although he maybe going about it the wrong way. But if what he is giving is above board and not hurting anybody, where's the problem.
And with regards to his childern, I can see why he covers their faces - put yourselves in thier postion. At least when their older and start to go out, they will not be identifiable. They are never going to have a "Normal" childhood which ever way he plays it, are they?



Message 204 of 1186 in Discussion

From: jaza Sent: 04/02/2003 11:56

Fair enough some kid sleeps in his bed without him in it. But he must have more rooms with his dosh so why sleep on the floor??
Also how can we believe a bloke who thinks he's Peter Pan and lives in Neverland.
He definately lives in Neverland if he thinks we believe that he has only had 2 nose jobs and nothing else on his face!!!


Message 205 of 1186 in Discussion

From: HELLSNOANGEL Sent: 04/02/2003 11:57

hey softcoshi

That was YOUR CHILD!!!!!!!!


Message 206 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Beach Boy Sent: 04/02/2003 11:57

Life in the army might have been easier if I there had been a Michael Jackson figure in my life.


Message 207 of 1186 in Discussion

From: SillySlappper Sent: 04/02/2003 11:57

You all smell funnie

are you all old people or what? tell me i wana no

tee hee hee.


Message 208 of 1186 in Discussion

From: INterax Sent: 04/02/2003 11:58

If he's had his nuts removed, it's probably cause he's fed up of being called a pe******e... And he just want's to prove that his knackers will go nowhere near the kids


Message 209 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Arahbella Sent: 04/02/2003 11:58

Hello everyone... Was not going to respond to this was going to keep my nose out of it... Was a long time fan of Michael Jackson's until I grew up and realized how truly demented the man is. Still think he does pretty good music but I will not support him in anyway.
First off the "skin disease"... I know people who have this disease and he is full of snot when he says he has it. It does not make your skin evenly white it in fact, makes it pink and patchy... Like a scar when it first heals after a burn pink. The people I know with this disease take medication to prevent it from happening too bad but it still happens and all over their body in patches. On their hands in spots, their foreheads, the tops of their heads, their feet and legs... SPOTS not ALL OVER UNIFORMLY... That is like him saying he has not had plastic surgery, LIES!!... Look at his cheekbones, his forehead, hiw lips... and then of course his nose which is actually caving in.... Still this does not bother me, it is his body if he wants to turn himself into and albino chimp that is after all his choice and he does make the money to do it.
Second issue and the one this thread was started over... YES Michael Jackson was accused of mollesting boys in his home and on tours etc. I believe he is guilty. I am a child of sexual abuse grew up being raped by two family members and have learned to see it in others. Does this mean I go around falsey accusing others no it means I know the men who do it and I stear clear of them with my own children or I get solid proof that it is being done and get them arrested for it. Do I think MJ is guilty YES I do... There is no grown man that I know of UNLESS he likes children sexually, that will hang out with small children who are not his own. That and the fact that he PAID the families off rather then try to prove himself innocent says LOADS about who he is. Persecuted? Why yes yes he is and for good reason the man has serious head issues. His fathers fault? Quite possible but does he have to turn into a freak because of it? I don't think so... Again I was raped several times growing up I was practically living in the streets from the time I was 9 years old does that mean I should play with small children and sleep with them in my bed? There is nothing you can do or say to convince me that this man is NOT sexually molesting or worse children and the idea of him letting them sleep in his bed is nauseating what is worse is that the government and the police and the parents ALLOW this man to do this. He was beaten and he was made to sing constantly... He became a star and found that he can do anything he wants and get away with it. He makes excuses for who and what he is as does the men who mollested and raped me... I was raped as a child so therefor I do the same... Personally I think it is an excuse for those who refuse to see that they have control of their own lives and who they are and NOTHING that happens in your life can control or make what you become it is your own choice how you choose to develop. MJ is a sad weak weak man and he needs therapy to stop him from doing what he is doing to those children. No weaker prey then a child... Of course he was thinking of them when he wrote Thriller, Billy Jean, Beat It, The Girl is Mine, and the other songs he has written that have love and sex in them... Sure he was and if he was truly that REALLY scares me because he is singing about what he does and STILL getting away with it.



Message 210 of 1186 in Discussion

From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 11:59

dont know bout you but i aint old!!


Message 211 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 11:59

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[cathy]

Message 212 of 1186 in discussion

From: halpy16 Sent: 04/02/2003 11:59

no one knows michael jackson apart from his family and himself people need to give him a break they are saying he is a pedophile those charges against michael were dropped so we should leave him alone and let him get on with his own life


Message 213 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 12:00

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Message 214 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Mids Sent: 04/02/2003 12:00

Errrrrrrrm.....I want to go home now......no, I really do......I'm scared.


Message 215 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Rockers Sent: 04/02/2003 12:00

Christ, Carnival Bizarre!!!


Message 216 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Amazed© Sent: 04/02/2003 12:00

I feel dizzy.


Message 217 of 1186 in Discussion

From: alexmetakal Sent: 04/02/2003 12:00

Unfortunatly we live in a world where there are a number of sick minded people men and at times women.who abuse children. MJ I believe he genuinly loves children in a decent and normal way, and likes to act like a child. Deep down he has a heart of a child and with his history perhaps he finds it very comforting for both him and the children that he entertains to play games and do things together ( normal things ).
After all he has inveseted millions of Dollars to have his own private fun fair park at home. No one would do a thing like that unless they genuinly felt like a child at heart and wanted to make other children very happy. For god sakes the guy doesnt need to go through all that if he had other intentions towards children.

Perhaps in todays world it does not sound so good a 44 y/o man with young children in his bed. But if it was a 44 y/o woman with children in her bed, No one would of taken much notice of that.

MJ is a child at heart and that's that. Lets concentrate at far more important issues like George Bush who is about to take the whole world into a war, god only knows where it would lead to.

Alex UK


Message 218 of 1186 in Discussion

From: anniestanny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:00

I totally agree MJ is innocent and people have just too much to say on other peoples lives and they need to lok into there own lifes.
PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK THEY HAVE TOO MUCH BULL S*** TO SAY


Message 219 of 1186 in Discussion

From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 12:01

I like Michael Jackson


Message 220 of 1186 in Discussion

From: cazxgirl Sent: 04/02/2003 12:01

I think Micheal Jackson didn't abuse them kid's and that the parents just wanted some big cash off him. I think he just wanted to pay them off so he didn't have to go though the courts. Because we are talking about a man who hasn't really grown up, he is still a child in his mind because of his up bringing. So dragging him though the court would of been very scairy for him so that's why I think he paid them off. I think Micheal has got a big heart, he cares alot about people and he lives in his own world of peace and love but we all know that isn't the real world. He's a very sweet man and I don't think he could harm anyone if he tried let alone kids.

Message 221 of 1186 in Discussion

From: elegem Sent: 04/02/2003 12:01

bye bye then


Message 222 of 1186 in Discussion

From: MetalliNic1985 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:01

I don't think that MJ is a pedo either. The tabloids suggest that he was sleeping with these children sexually, its splashed all over the front pages. Why the hell does everyone jump to these conclusions. Sleeping in the same bed as a stranger is only dangerous if there is alterior motives but did he sleep IN the bed rather than just sleep in the same room. That boy asked micheal if he wanted to sleep in the bed and not on the floor. Michael didnt suggest that they share it. He has lost a bit of childhood. How do you think you would feel if you had your childhood robbed. Is there anyone out there that can speculate on this? The thing with that baby over the balcony and the veil on their head. Well my dad has pretended to throw me of a balcony before. Course i could have fallen. Did I? No. Also if you are the son or daughter of a famous person, would you want to be spotted all the time. There are some extreme hardcore fanatics out there who might not think twice about kidnapping them. Less you know ,the better.


Message 223 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 12:01

well that woke you all up didnt it? lmao.


Message 224 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Saralee Sent: 04/02/2003 12:01

I think I'm gonna ......bleuchh.........oops sorry, hope I didnt get on your shoes...


Message 225 of 1186 in Discussion

From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 12:02

Does this mean I go around falsey accusing others no it means I know the men who do it and I stear clear of them with my own children or I get solid proof that it is being done and get them arrested for it. Do I think MJ is guilty YES I do

So you would go out of your way to prove sexual interferance against a normal, everyday Joe but Michael Jackson you will go by tabloid gossip?

Who needs a justice system with you around!?


Message 226 of 1186 in Discussion

From: *Satine* Sent: 04/02/2003 12:02

Miss Spooky - message 203 - I believe that from a disturbed childhood MJ doesn't want to grow up, but clearly hang on to what we all want - how many men play paintball? How many adults given the chance will enjoy a day out at Thorpe park, Disney world? Does this mean that we all derranged?

It's not the same thing at all Miss Spooky - yes, we all like to behave like big kids sometimes but usually we accept our adult responsibilities as well and we don't actually want to be children again. Come on - how many people given the money and the opportunity - would seriously build and live at Neverland??

Michael Jackson is a seriously disturbed individual - he continually acts in a childlike manner yet he is a grown man with adult sexual urges, he is continually looking for love and a reprieve from loneliness. A dangerous combination. He has no grip on reality at all.

[cathy]

Message 227 of 1186 messages in Discussion

From: fefe Sent: 04/02/2003 12:02

I think that jacko, has sound reason to have children in his bed, whats wrng with that?
he has had a bad child hood and is just re-livin it again, he is tryin to make children have a happy child hood by providing them with comfort, sometimes people just want to help, you don't always have to presume that he is givin them sexual attention. maybe he just wants to help them!!


Message 229 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Mids Sent: 04/02/2003 12:02

Early lunch I think. I want you all gone when I get back now, y'hear?!.


Message 230 of 1186 in Discussion

From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 12:03

"F**K The Press".."We love You Michael."


Message 231 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Saralee Sent: 04/02/2003 12:04

Please dont encourage them Joyce


Message 232 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 12:04

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Message 233 of 1186 in Discussion

From: csmarsden Sent: 04/02/2003 12:04

After reading this tittle and a few of the messages within this group i was made slightly better about what i saw last night on TV. I like many others im sure watched the program with more and more of a view that the ITV network like so many other media groups are tainting Micheal Jackson's image, making small remarks like "i was growing more concerned with Micheal's behaviour around children." If we assume they only used footage they thought would "scare" us or make us want to watch more then i feel awful for them, last nights "truth" was mixed with there personal agenda. The interviewer should feel ashamed of himself, acting like a friend to a man obviously suffering from being lonley, holding telling Micheals children to hold his hand and then making statements about "being worried about Micheals relationship with children" then twisting the knife in at the end. It seemed obvious to me that the interview had an agenda as im sure it did to most of you. It also sadened me that we have come to a place where our humanity is so small, we speak out with our fears and not the truth, im not saying its right or wrong for children to sleep in someone else's bed, it is up to the parents involved at the end of the day not us as individuals. Its not acceptable in society but that doesnt make it wong, children have no problem with staying in the same bed with each other, because of there innocence, I believe Micheal Jackson has the same innocence and therefore it is fine for him to be in the same room, the problem is intent and not the physical proximaty.
BUT REALLY WAKE UP anyone who let there kid's stay at Micheal Jacksons house would be well aware of the dangours that may present themselves and would take care to make sure there kids where ok.
So it is in my humble opinon ok for this man to sleep in the same room as children, with permission of there parents. They are not your children it is not your choice, there is also no proof of him, ever doing wrong to children, if he did im sure the American justice department would have leveled charges at Micheal Jackson before now, but they did not, only the childrens parents did, and they accepted a pay off. Think about that carefully, if it was your child would you realy take money over sending him away? Would you alleviate your childs pain with cash? Or would you make sure a child molester was put away? I think we should all know the answer to that. So if those fears where never put into your mind in the first place would Micheal Jackson be suffering like he does at the moment? Would the press treat him as badly as they do? I believe not and so the blame is in the end with those parents who harmed a lonley man and the press.


Message 234 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Unioncitybluez Sent: 04/02/2003 12:04

so what if MJ has rebuilt his entire face to look like Peter Pan

so what if he drives a granny scooter around his hotel at night for entertainment

so what if he dangled his baby out of a window

so what if he has strange waxworks in his hotel room

so what he settled out of court in the child sex case

so what if has a painting on the wall of himself being caressed by cherubs

what's so strange about any of that? like, get a life! whatever.


Message 235 of 1186 in Discussion

From: jimbob25 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:04

I can see that from his point of view its ok but then he is extremely eccentric.

The documentary didn't do him any harm, didn't really find out much we didn't already know.

It certainly raised his profile, which is something his music isn't doing any more...


Message 236 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 12:04

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Message 237 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 12:05

ok 1) stop swearing this is a g rated group

and 2) can we all quit the insults please debate is one thing, insults are another. Shoot the message not the messenger.


Message 238 of 1186 in Discussion

From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 12:05

"I tink MJ is GR8!!! Frendz 4eva!!"

Jaysus!


Message 239 of 1186 in Discussion

From: SillySlappper Sent: 04/02/2003 12:05

Okay.

What school or office are you all from?

Admit it.


Message 240 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Foxy Sent: 04/02/2003 12:06

watch your language please guys - this is a G-rated group


Message 241 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Eimajivich Sent: 04/02/2003 12:06

He said he slept on the floor anyway

[cathy]

Message 242 of 1186 in discussion

From: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 12:07

I Love his music..but his last album was crap.


Message 244 of 1186 in Discussion

From: _Swanny___1 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:07

This is a great place, full of fans of Michael

groups.msn.com/saywhatthehellyoulikeIdontcare/general.msnw

applie now


Message 245 of 1186 in Discussion

sent 4/2/2003 12:08

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Message 246 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sincerely_Fabia Sent: 04/02/2003 12:08

omg ur like double my age! was the documentary only shown in the uk last night?


Message 247 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 12:08

From: Leevill (Original Message) Sent: 04/02/2003 12:07

It is clear that Jackson is a rare talent. However his upbringing has obviously disturbed him deeply. He has got into a state of mind where he truly believes be is still a child. He would pass any lie detector etc as he subconciously believes it. This being the case with his limitless wealth, like an out of control child, he does not understand boundaries. It is outrageous,unacceptable,inapropriate and irresponsible of him and the childrens parents to allow the "sleep overs". What scares me the most is what he is doing to his own children mentally. If you dress a new born in pink for 3 years of its life, try to get it to wear blue!! it doesnt happen. These kids are developing from behind masks.There little lives are being ruined before they have a chance. Someone needs to step in and soon.


Message 248 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 12:09

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Message 249 of 1186 in Discussion

From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 12:09

Chelise - take a valium


Message 250 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Miss_Spooky3 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:10

Given the money and the opportunity, I would love to have a place like Neverland, I think it's an amasing place.


Message 251 of 1186 in Discussion

From: elouise Sent: 04/02/2003 12:10

I am an english white female so the idiot out there who said that all amaricans were thick for sticking up for MJ get a load of this. When the documentary started I found it interesting that such a celebratty would alow such exposure into his private life so he obvously has nothing to hide. I would like to smack the reporter in the mouth for his obscene behavour ie
your farther beat you.
what with? any thing else? was it really bad? can you please tell me exactaly what he said and what he did?
How sick and offensive is this man. .1 it is a painfull thing to disscuss and secondly what kind of man would push and push a man to tears remenbering the spesific deatales of his horrific past. Is not the knoledge that he was beeten enough. Also the reporter then desided to report with baias which is something you should nerver due the fact's speek for them selves. He was crap and I hope next week is in the dole cue. This next comment is to the twit who bought up the court case a few years ago. If you had a son and you knew he had been raped would you
A) whant to kill the man who did it
B) whan him to go to jail for the rest of his life
C) exept a pay off
NO PARENT would exept a pay off if the allagation was true so why don't you go back to school you idiot and learn a little more before tring to comment on the real world.


Message 252 of 1186 in Discussion

From: anniestanny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:11

Well message 242 what makes you think that something is so wrong MJ is most probably those childrens hero and you think it wrong he puts a smile on there face an everthing about it is innocent. Maybe you think there is something wrong because you would be thinking of something sexual if a child was in your bed, or maybe you are the child abusing type well i don't know but it is the same way you just don't know about MJ so stop commenting on what you don't know and look in to things with just a little more in depth thought.


Message 253 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 12:12

Chelise - take a valium

Chelise just took a hike. I do not expect to read such offensive stuff when 2 members of management just issued a warning about not swearing.

PS. thank you TJ


(1 recommendation so far) Message 254 of 1186 in Discussion

From: halpy16 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:12

yes it is okay to get into bed with your child when its nothing sexual, if any of you's had kids you would know that your child will come and sleep in your bed at night and you are not going to fling them out are you it is all part of being a parent to comfort your child and make them secure


Message 255 of 1186 in Discussion

From: pervojacko Sent: 04/02/2003 12:12

If Joe Bloggs did and said half the things that famous ppl say then not only would there kids be in care but they would be in jail. Is there not social services in the U.S. or do they not care.

No wonder they have a war monger as a leader!!!!


Message 256 of 1186 in Discussion

From: OneLove Sent: 04/02/2003 12:12

We need evidence not just insinuations!

WILL U LOT STOP LYING-HE SLEPT ON THE FLOOR NOT ON THE BED WITH THE BOY AND THERE WERE 2 OTHERS THERE TOO.DID HE SLEEP WITH THEM TOO?
WHY IS NEWS NO NEWS EXCEPT IT IS BAD.
THE POOR BOY IS LOOKING HEALTHY COS OF LOVE & CARE HE HAD THOUGH HE WAS TOLD HE HAD SHORT TIME TO LIVE-NON OF U MENTIONED THAT.
MJ INVITED CHILDREN FROM POOR BACKGROUND TO HIS RANCH TO PLAY-DOES THAT NOT MEAN ANYTHING TO ANYBODY.WHY MUST IT BE BAD TO LOVE WITHOUT BEEN SEXUAL?
DOES AGE MAKES ONE TO STOP LOVING AND CARING-IN CARING SOCIETIES/COMMUNITIES PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT AGES,NOT BLOOD RELATIONS SHARE ALOT OF THINGS COS THAT IS ALL THEY CAN AFFORD-HERE IS A RICH BLOKE TRYING TO SHARE IS HOME WITH NEEDY AND ALL WE CAN THINK OF IS THE HARM IS DOING TO CHILDREN(TO DATE NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVED,NO EVIDENCE TO SUSTAIN THE ALLEGATIONS/INSINUATIONS).
MJ TALK ABOUT GOING BACK TO LOVING AND CARING-HE DOES NOT SOUND LIKE SOMEONE OUT TO HARM CHILDREN.
HE IS A CARING PERSON THIS MAY BE DIFFICULT FOR SOME OF YOU FROM PRIVILEGE BACKGROUNG TO UNDERSTAND!

[cathy]

Message 257 of 1186 in Discussion

From: CFB Sent: 04/02/2003 12:12

Who was it that said


"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events and small minds discuss people"?

The bottom line is that the man is clearly insane and as such should be treated no differently to anyone else suffering from a similar condition, he should be sectioned and his children placed into care, whilst he does not appear to be a dangerous man he cannot be subject to separate laws because of his financial and celebrity status.


Message 258 of 1186 in Discussion

From: taito1988 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:13

michael should buy another monkey!!!!!!!!!


Message 259 of 1186 in Discussion

From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 12:14

"I love my kids"
"The world needs more love"
Fairground in the garden
Climbs trees
Protects children from papperazzi

Yeah, God forbid we have more parents like that!!!


Message 260 of 1186 in Discussion

From: brilliant Sent: 04/02/2003 12:15

I find it heart breaking and quite disturbing that people can't trust themselves enough and therefore can't trust anyone else. Does sleeping in a bed with someone mean having sex? Can't anyone be in a room with someone and just have a chat without all these psycos thinking they are having sex?

If anyone thinks that Michael Jackson commited a crime by simply sharing a room with kids, and being kind to them by letting their dreams come through, they need to get their brains checked out if they have one. Leave him alone. I sense a lot of jealousy, but tough luck. He deserves to live like a king because he worked hard for his money. THUMBS UP MICHAEL.

Message 261 of 1186 in Discussion

From: red__anchor Sent: 04/02/2003 12:16

I do have small children. If Michael jackson even cast a sideways glance at one of them i would tear him apart. If he is so innocent why oh why did he settle with that family alledging child abuse?


Message 262 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Rockers Sent: 04/02/2003 12:16

shall I get my foil hat out?


Message 263 of 1186 in Discussion

From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 12:16

Just cos your post is in a bigger and brighter font doesn't mean your post is any more/less valid than anyone elses!


Message 264 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Sim123 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:16

The worst thing about this whole story is that there is a victim either MJ himself or someone else it is very difficult to say but of course he is not telling the truth about not having any surgeries (well "only two" he said) and maybe about not doing anything wrong with children! The issue is that if there is anything wrong it must be cleared and if there is not anything wrong these accusations must stop!

The reason why some have reservations towards his words is that he is very rich and if he could change his appearance and to hide it so well ( I mean nobody caught him leaving the hospital after plastic surgery) so therefor I am terrified that no one can catch him if he is doing something wrong with kids. Although I believe that everybody is innocent until proving guilty.

Also I am curious how it is possible unless both parents are white to have white children and as far as I know MJ although having "hormonal changes" is brown?

(1 recommendation so far) Message 265 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Single_leopard Sent: 04/02/2003 12:16

I have a feeling that in 30 years time we're going to watching the same programme about one of his kids

no contact with mother, having to compete with 2 other kids (maybe more in future!) for limited contact with father, completely isolated from their peers, and having to wear a mask in public

place your bets now that these poor kids are not going to grow up well adjusted!


Message 266 of 1186 in Discussion

From: TrevorG Sent: 04/02/2003 12:16

I think Michael Jackson is a very disturbed 44yr old man. Yeah he had a hard child hood, maybe that's why he acts as her does, but come of it the man needs help. To think it's right to let a 12yr old boy to sleep in the same room as this man is stupid, unless the family of that 12yr old boy are hoping to get millions from this man as a payoff??

MJ is clearly a lier, come off it only 2 operations, he can hardly move his upper lip.


Message 267 of 1186 in Discussion

From: elouise Sent: 04/02/2003 12:17

If you watched the program last night you will have seen the frenzy that follows Michal his thinking is quite logical If the press can't see his childrens faces then he can shelter them from some of the pain the media inflickt and they do just look at Diana. If the kids go out un masked knowone will know who they are.


Message 268 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 12:17

"Thumbs up Michael"

I'm sorry, I find the suggestion that Michael's been getting kiddies to thumb him highly offensive.


Message 269 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 12:17

yes, can we please keep font sizes down, this group moves fast enough without that thanks. It also hurts my eyes


(2 recommendations so far) Delete Message 270 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Single_leopard Sent: 04/02/2003 12:17

I have a feeling that in 30 years time we're going to watching the same programme about one of his kids

no contact with mother, having to compete with 2 other kids (maybe more in future!) for limited contact with father, completely isolated from their peers, and having to wear a mask in public

place your bets now that these poor kids are not going to grow up well adjusted!


Message 271 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 12:18

Hurts your eyes Pandy? Hurts my head!

[cathy]

message 272 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Raven_voy Sent: 04/02/2003 12:18

Love Michael! Why do ppl alway try to work every little innocent comment he says into a BIG scandal? I just don't get it! He's the sweetest guy around and wouldn't hurt anyone intentionally!!! Everyone just wants to take profit on his behalf!!!!


Message 273 of 1186 in Discussion

Sent: 04/02/2003 12:18

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Message 274 of 1186 in Discussion

From: halpy16 Sent: 04/02/2003 12:18

michael knows what it feels like to be abused and beaten as a child so why would he inflict pain on any other child, he isnt a bad person the press is making him out to be mad,sad and bad but do any of yous actually know him? i bet deep down inside that he is genuine guy


Message 275 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Manny Sent: 04/02/2003 12:19

Just remember what MJ said.

"The ABUSED do not necessarilly ABUSE


Message 276 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 12:19

psssssst...Amazed......

Flee! Run for your life!! They're starting to get angry!!!


Message 277 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Amazed© Sent: 04/02/2003 12:20

LOL Gnu! And all I said was that I couldn't understand their language...


Message 278 of 1186 in Discussion

From: ©Pandy® Sent: 04/02/2003 12:21

please delete that A who knows how many more youll get your addys on it.

put them on BLOCK SENDER

that person is already banned for excessive swearing.


Message 279 of 1186 in Discussion

From: kian d Sent: 04/02/2003 12:21

I'm an english male and I'd just like to say that I'm shocked that the use of english is terrible and spelling is even worse of the english girl elouise!

Yes, it could be okay to get in that bed, but that doesn't mean you should do it.

Should we lets kids play with guns as long as we watch and we're responsible? NO!!!
(oh wait, Americans do just that!)


Message 280 of 1186 in Discussion

From: -This_Just_In- Sent: 04/02/2003 12:22

no contact with mother,

Yep, there are no single parent families anywhere except in MJ's world

having to compete with 2 other kids (maybe more in future!)
So True! Every family in the world has a father, mother and only 1 child so there is no sibling rivalry!

for limited contact with father,

Those children with working parents are always with them!


(2 recommendations so far) Message 281 of 1186 in Discussion

From: jamima Sent: 04/02/2003 12:22

Response to Arahbella (209)

Having read your message, I can't help but think that you are obviously still suffereing from what happened to you in your childhood. This is understandable, However, I do not think it gives you the right to state with such conviction that MJ abuses children. i am a fan but have never made up my mind about the allegations of abuse against him but having watched the programme last night i think its clear that he is genuinley niave and confused but means no harm to children. the world does need more love and you clearly do to.


Message 282 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Gnu Fiddler Sent: 04/02/2003 12:22

Chortle...this is like an episode of the "Twilight Zone"..


Message 283 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Amazed© Sent: 04/02/2003 12:22

It was already deleted for me Pandy. And my email addy is up anyway. And yep, I'm blocking them.

This is totally crazy. How many new members today?


Message 284 of 1186 in Discussion

From: Raven_voy Sent: 04/02/2003 12:23

Oh come on!!! What's wrong with sleeping in the same bed with kids? Every parent does that! How many times do kids come to the parents beds at night cause they don't want to be alone?


(1 recommendation so far) Message 285 of 1186 in Discussion

rom: JÖ¥CÉ Sent: 04/02/2003 12:23

I'm a new member

Message 286 of 1186 in Discussion

From: chazer Sent: 04/02/2003 12:23

People who think michael jackson is sick for caring and looking after children when there is so many unloved kids in this world then i think ye have the prob.You could see last nite how much all the different rumours about his life has hurt and affected him. The fact is people love putting other people down in this world, and unfortunately of michael he seems to be a hugh target or peoples criticism. He is so so talented and so so kind hearted. GO MICHAEL