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Post by Victor Meldrew on Feb 5, 2009 10:54:05 GMT
Blimey tarrant, I never thought I'd be saying this, but.....
I agree with you 100%. Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Post by cheyenne on Feb 5, 2009 11:03:22 GMT
I was selling my collection of pottery models on my car boot stand some years ago when a PC nitwit came up to me and said I shouldn't label them as "golliwogs" but I should call them "gollies". So I took the label away altogether. The boxes still said "Robertsons Golliwogs" on them, so what was the point of that???
Ridiculous. You'd think people had more important things to worry about these days, but obviously not.
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Post by cobblers on Feb 5, 2009 11:12:20 GMT
So Fat Andy, this innocuous doll was the only reference point white children had of black people way back when. And now it's grime music videos glorifying drugs, crime, gangs and violence.
'Nuff said.
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Post by jonren on Feb 5, 2009 11:13:51 GMT
"Blimey tarrant, I never thought I'd be saying this, but.....
I agree with you 100%. Couldn't have put it better myself." - - - - -Victor M
Even stranger, so do I. Praise where praise is due. Well said Tarrant.
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Post by flatandy on Feb 5, 2009 13:19:37 GMT
So Fat Andy, this innocuous doll was the only reference point white children had of black people way back when. And now it's grime music videos glorifying drugs, crime, gangs and violence. 'Nuff said. I think you're either being very very stupid, or you're deliberately missing my point to make a different one. |
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Post by Libby on Feb 5, 2009 14:21:22 GMT
I remember when i was a little girl my father bought me a black doll from abroad called Topsy. My doll was a replica of the popular black Topsy dolls of the 1930's. I remember when i was older hearing that it was no longer acceptable to have a Topsy Doll because they were considered rascist. I guess this was the start of the PC movement! This happened at around the same time that Gollywogs became controversial. Topsy Doll featured on this link ~ www.dollinfo.com/dolls30.htm |
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Post by ricklinc on Feb 5, 2009 14:37:10 GMT
Anyone know where I can get a Mohammed doll?
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Post by Libby on Feb 5, 2009 15:09:30 GMT
Mohammed is a very common name rick, you just might find one somewhere . . . .  There was a news story fairly recently about a teddy being given to a small boy by a British woman who worked in a foreign school, do you remember. The bear was called Mohammed and it caused as helluva stink, don't remember any more details . . . does anyone else?! |
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Post by ricklinc on Feb 5, 2009 15:15:21 GMT
I want to see the fight for minority supremacy warm up a bit. Get some sex toy manufacturer to market a lifesize inflatable two-hole Mohammed for gay men.
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Post by mids on Feb 5, 2009 15:19:52 GMT
I remember when i was a little girl my father bought me a black doll from abroad called Topsy. My doll was a replica of the popular black Topsy dolls of the 1930's. I remember when i was older hearing that it was no longer acceptable to have a Topsy Doll because they were considered rascist. I guess this was the start of the PC movement! This happened at around the same time that Gollywogs became controversial. Topsy Doll featured on this link ~ www.dollinfo.com/dolls30.htmThose dolls are some of the creepiest things I've ever seen. |
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Post by tarrant on Feb 5, 2009 16:14:27 GMT
Mohammed is a very common name rick, you just might find one somewhere . . . . There was a news story fairly recently about a teddy being given to a small boy by a British woman who worked in a foreign school, do you remember. The bear was called Mohammed and it caused as helluva stink, don't remember any more details . . . does anyone else?! I was thinking it was a few months ago. Seems is was over a year ago now |
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Post by mids on Feb 5, 2009 16:30:21 GMT
So we're all agreed then. Storm in a teacup. Nothing to see here. Good.
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Post by Libby on Feb 5, 2009 16:30:56 GMT
Blimey tarrant, time flies!
Thanks for the link! ;D
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Post by mingthemerciless on Feb 5, 2009 23:34:50 GMT
Same old Same old.....  I'll follow suit.  I wonder how many more times this year a harmless toy thats brought happiness & joy to millions of kids will be hijacked to suit some closet reverse-racists agenda |
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Post by vania on Feb 5, 2009 23:48:45 GMT
Oh, good grief. Do you not understand that gollywogs became racially tinged because when the Windrush generation arrived they were called gollywogs by kids as that was the only black reference point. So it became a term of abuse, even if it started as just a doll. The fact that the dolls were then made to look more and more like comedy "black and white minstrels" clearly didn't help, but it doesn't really matter. Their existence became offensive. Things can change their meaning. As, clearly, nobody is harmed by not talking about gollywogs, and by not having gollywogs, and they are known now to be racially tinged and, frankly, everyone knows it (orif they don't they are so igonorant or stupid they shouldn't be allowed out of their padded rooms), I really don't see why people should want to own or talk about them. I admit, I think it's clearly a bit silly and over-the-top as a proscription. But it's exists, and everyone knows the terminlogy is racially loaded. So just deal with it. Pretty much spot on isn't it? A bit like the whinging about the word paki. And to those whinging that you cannot buy a doll you so desperately need to have, they're widely available and are all over ebay. According the ad on the other thread at least... |
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Post by feral on Feb 6, 2009 2:04:32 GMT
Well the bit that gets me in particular about Andys oh so "sensible" little speech there is this bit :
I admit, I think it's clearly a bit silly and over-the-top as a proscription. But it's exists, and everyone knows the terminlogy is racially loaded. So just deal with it.
So .It's a bit silly is it ? And a bit over the top is it ? But it exists .
Sooo by the same account it's a bit silly to call Christmas, Winterval and it's a bit silly to say ban pig ornaments in an office etc etc but goodness me ..EVERYONE knows its racially loaded to not do that .So just deal with it.
Fecks sake ! Its people like you and the twits who agree with you that pave the way for more of the crap .Don't ever stand up and say " hang on ...this is a bit ridiculous" or someone might think you actually have a backbone or... GOD FORBID ...they might suspect you of being a rascist even though you're not
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Post by flatandy on Feb 6, 2009 8:34:13 GMT
Well, Feral, Christmas has never been offensive to anybody. And has never been used as a racist insult. I may be retracting a little from "a bit silly". The censure of Carol Thatcher is over-the-top.
But, basically, if you wanted to keep your gollywogs, you shouldn't have let people make them into comedy charicatures of black people and shouldn't have allowed the racists to make it into an insult. If that hadn't happened you could keep your gollywog. Too late now. Society's moved on. The racists took your toys away. Not the rest of us who just don't want offensive racist insults bandied around.
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Post by feral on Feb 6, 2009 9:05:59 GMT
Well,theres certainly some people around who think it is .Shall we just wait till they convince everybody that it indeed is ? .Then society will move on and we wont say Christmas anymore for fear of offending someone  My point is anyway that a word or a doll or whatever isnt bloody racist ...its how you use it .Just because SOME people use a word and make it sound racist ..or make fun of a doll doesnt mean that the object itself or the word is racist and its absolutely ridiculous to presume that anybody who DOES use the word is being racist |
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Post by feral on Feb 6, 2009 9:15:23 GMT
That's another bit thats wrong really .Golliwogs werent very flattering to blacks when they were first made ..bit no one thought twice about it cos at that time it was quite ok to be unflattering .Then society decided to forget about that and just view them as normal dolls for years and years .Then soiety changed its mind again and decided we should all remember that once upon a time they were rather insulting ....so for gawds sake dont use the word anymore and please do try not to own one because we really should all repent for what other people did in the past
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Post by flatandy on Feb 6, 2009 9:20:42 GMT
Repent? You what? What great suffering does anyone go through to not have a racist charicature doll?
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