Steve Coogan slams 'pathetic' David Cameron

[tarrant]

If the BNP would drop its stupid and pointless insistance upon dividing people by race they would probably pick up a lot more votes.

I've spoken to so many non-white British people who support so many of their policies.

But British people of all races have a long tradition, going back hundreds of years, in rejecting such marginalisations.

[omnipleasant]

He's got Cameron absolutely spot on. A slimey rightwing snake-oil salesman. Worst Tory leader I can remember since Thatch herself. A real threat to the country.

[mids]

Oi, that's the next PM you're talking about there!

[omnipleasant]

No I'm talking about David Cameron, mids.

[minge tightly]

He is the constituency MP for an area that we cover and according to those who have met him previously, he is quite a nice, genuine bloke.

Of course, the people telling me that are real Shire-types, Tory to the core so they would say that wouldn't they...

[Victor Meldrew]

Just out of interest, does anyone know what Steve Coogan's political views are?

Hmm, let me have a guess.

Ooh, Labour's policies are turning the Country into a complete craphole, so let's try a bit of character assination on the guy we know will be the next PM if we don't do something about it. Are we really that close to General Election time already?

[omnipleasant]

Character assasination? Cameron doesn't need anyone to do that for him - it's plain as day what a vapid, opportunisitc, rightwing tosser he is. In another life he'd be running a hedge fund pyramid selling scheme.

[tarrant]

If you need any evidence his disregard for traffic laws seems to be as good example as any.

But his failure to stand up to the huge numbers of opposing wings in the Tory party and actually set some policies is as good example as any.

The Tories really need to split up into several different parties.

[sushimo]

Actually, the Tories are on the button keeping their mouths firmly shut just now, Brown is getting in deeper and deeper sh*t because he hasn't got their policies to nick and help dig him out.

The less they reveal the better, because that thieving git will just jump at anything now for some salvation. Let him stew, and before long he is going to have to call an election. The only problem will be the dire state of the UK by the time Clunk is gone, it's bad enough now.

[Victor Meldrew]

Spot on, Sushimo.

All Cameron needs to do is say is absolutley nothing. Brown, Darling, Mandelson and all the other cronies are supplying him with the victory.

[flatandy]

Feb 9, 2009 15:56:20 GMT sushimo said:

Actually, the Tories are on the button keeping their mouths firmly shut just now, Brown is getting in deeper and deeper sh*t because he hasn't got their policies to nick and help dig him out.

The less they reveal the better, because that thieving git will just jump at anything now for some salvation. Let him stew, and before long he is going to have to call an election. The only problem will be the dire state of the UK by the time Clunk is gone, it's bad enough now.

So, what you're saying is that Cameron has some utterly brilliant solution to all this.

Remarkably, really, considering he always offered even worse versions of what got us into this mess before we got there.

But let's accept that's true.

And if Cameron tells us what will get us out of the mess, Gordon Brown will steal that policy.

And therefore, presumably, will get us out of the mess, right?

And Cameron won't tell him, because he wants party political advantage come election time in 2 years.

So, basically, you're saying that Cameron is willing to f**k the country up for 2 years despite knowing he could solve the problem, purely because he wants power?

A man who is clearly, therefore, putting personal and party ambition ahead of country.

It doesn't make me warm to him.

[sushimo]

Come off it FA!!! That kind of reasoning - blaming the Tories for this mess is well out of order!

Nice try mind! ;D

[tarrant]

Those are some good observations Andy.

Though I seriously doubt Cameron has any ideas at all.

I tend to think he will be more concerned with pleasing the more radical wings of his party by giving token tax cuts to higher earners offsetting this with tax increases on the rest of us.

Saber rattling at Europe achieving little more than annoying the other states.

Increases in defense for little reason than it looks good.

In this country, governments can only impliment policies they have amandate for. Brown is working on Blair's mandate.

If Cameron came up with some really radical ideas Brown couldn't steal them anyway since he doesn't have a mandate for those.

That should indicate that Cameron has no ideas at all.

[flatandy]

I'm not blaming them. I reckon they haven't a f**k**g clue.

But if they do have a brilliant solution and just aren't telling us, for political gain - which is what you and Victor are telling us - then they are horribly culpable.

[wetkingcanute]

OK try this.
Cameron sees that Labour have fcuked up the country.
He has a cunning plan to solve all our problems.
But if he tells Brown what to do, Brown will go on to win the election and fcuk up the country even more!
So, because Cameron wants to save the country so much he's not going to tell Brown so that Labour will loose the election and the Tories will lead us to the promised land.

easy.

[Victor Meldrew]

I love listening to these Labour supporters at times like this.

So basically, it's the Tories fault we're in this mess because they won't tell Clunk and Brows what to do. Oh, but hang on, if the Tories do give them ideas on the way forward, it wouldn't work anyway because they're f*****g clueless. So when that goes wrong, we can all blame the Tories. Brilliant logic there. It sounds like a political version of that game Heads I win, Tails You Lose.

Dontcha just love these Teflon Governments? They can screw up the Country as much as they possibly can, yet no blame can ever stick to them.

[Victor Meldrew]

Ah, a sort of 'cruel to be kind' logic then, WKC?

Short term pain for long term gain, eh? Yeah, I can live with that.

[flatandy]

Feb 9, 2009 17:12:04 GMT wetkingcanute said:

OK try this.
Cameron sees that Labour have fcuked up the country.
He has a cunning plan to solve all our problems.
But if he tells Brown what to do, Brown will go on to win the election and fcuk up the country even more!
So, because Cameron wants to save the country so much he's not going to tell Brown so that Labour will loose the election and the Tories will lead us to the promised land.

easy.

So that works even though it's clear that the next two years are going to be crucial to not screwing the country?

[flatandy]

Oh, and Victor, if you're calling me a Labour supporter I'm going to have to demand satisfaction. Pistols at dawn? Or would you prefer swords?

[moggyonspeed]

"There's something obsequious about him, something incredibly Machiavellian that most people haven't noticed yet. I can imagine him as an 18th Century swine, wearing a cloak and running someone through with a sword. Then he'd wipe the blade on his cloak. At the moment, he's trying to do this angry thing. He thinks it makes him look passionate, but it just makes him look hot-headed and a bit pathetic."

Way to go Steve! But hang on a bit ... I thought politics was supposed to be about policies not personalities.

Aha!