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Post by auldhippy on Feb 7, 2016 14:15:32 GMT
Because he fears extradition to the US by Sweden. Why does he not fear it from Britain? Because Britain has no reason to arrest him other than what originates from the Swedish EAW.
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 7, 2016 14:21:00 GMT
And what is th about 12m in expenses? That could be readily avoided if he flew to Sweden to face the allegations against him. He seems afraid to do so for no logical reason. Oh and your point on knowing whether you were raped is really moronic and shows how little you understand laws on consent. A crime can still have occurred even if the victim doesn't realise a crime has been committed against him/her. Yes Assange could have avoided the £12m in costs to us but not without being in custody, Sweden could also have avoided the £12m in costs and the custody . It is not moronic that neither women claimed they were raped or wanted him charged with rape, it's highly pertinent. Both women freely entered into a sexual relationship with him, this is not rape, it's regret!
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 7, 2016 14:30:59 GMT
"We understand that both complainants admit to having initiated consensual sexual relations with Mr Assange. They do not complain of any physical injury. The first complainant did not make a complaint for six days (in which she hosted the respondent in her flat [actually her bed] and spoke in the warmest terms about him to her friends) until she discovered he had spent the night with the other complainant. "The second complainant, too, failed to complain for several days until she found out about the first complainant: she claimed that after several acts of consensual sexual intercourse, she fell half asleep and thinks that he ejaculated without using a condom – a possibility about which she says they joked afterwards. "Both complainants say they did not report him to the police for prosecution but only to require him to have an STD test. However, his Swedish lawyer has been shown evidence of their text messages which indicate that they were concerned to obtain money by going to a tabloid newspaper and were motivated by other matters including a desire for revenge." www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 7, 2016 14:57:29 GMT
Clearly what anyone makes of the prosecution case is a red mullet. There's a warrant out for him.
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Post by jimboky on Feb 7, 2016 15:08:43 GMT
Shouldn't this be decided by the UK court? Is the UK a country?
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 7, 2016 16:35:21 GMT
Shouldn't this be decided by the UK court? Is the UK a country? The offences were committed in Sweden. Therefore subject to Swedish judicial procedure. UK is simply following standard extradition process.
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 7, 2016 16:36:25 GMT
From page 3 of this thread
But on Saturday, as international media outlets were beginning to pick up the story, Eva Finne, Sweden's chief prosecutor, announced that Assange was no longer wanted.
"I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape," the chief prosecutor said, but declined to go into any more details.
From 21/08/10
english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/08/2010821153010551757.html
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 7, 2016 16:48:00 GMT
From page 4 to remind everybody of the timeline Below is what's known so far about those encounters, based on reporting by London's Daily Mail and the allegations made in a London court on Tuesday by Gemma Lindfield, an attorney acting for Swedish authorities. Aug. 11: Assange arrives in Stockholm, where he is to be the key speaker at a seminar organized by a group called the Brotherhood Movement. London's Daily Mail reports his point of contact is a radical feminist who once held a university post of "campus sexual equity officer." The two had never met but earlier agreed that Assange would stay at her apartment, the Mail stated. She planned to be out of town until the day of the seminar. Aug. 14: The woman, identified by Swedish officials only as Miss A, returns to Stockholm, 24 hours earlier than planned. The two go out for dinner, return to the apartment and have sex during which a condom breaks. She would later tell police that Assange used his body weight to hold her down during sex and that she was a victim of "unlawful coercion." Aug. 15: Assange delivers his seminar speech and meets another woman who tags along for lunch with friends, the Mail reported, adding that the two then go to a movie where the woman suggests they were "intimate." That evening, Miss A hosts a party for Assange at her home, afterward reportedly tweeting this to friends: "Sitting outside ... nearly freezing, with the world’s coolest people. It’s pretty amazing!" Aug. 16: The second woman, identified only as Miss W by Swedish officials, calls Assange and they meet in Stockholm. They go by train to her hometown and to her apartment, where they have sex. According to her testimony to police, Assange wore a condom. Aug. 17: Miss W later tells police that Assange that morning had unprotected sex with her while she was still asleep. Aug. 18: Assange is alleged on this day to have "deliberately molested" Miss A "in a way designed to violate her sexual integrity." Soon after, Miss W contacts Miss A, knowing her from the seminar, and confides that she had unprotected sex with Assange, the Mail reported. Miss A says that she, too, had slept with him and reportedly later phones an acquaintance of Assange to relay to him that she wants him out of her apartment. Aug. 20: Assange leaves the apartment. The two women go to Stockholm police to seek advice on how to proceed with a complaint by Miss W against Assange, the Mail reported. According to one source, Miss W wanted to know if it was possible to force Assange to undergo an HIV test. Miss A said she was there merely to support Miss W, but she also gives police an account of what had happened between herself and Assange, the Mail reported. The female interviewing officer concludes that Miss W had been raped and Miss A subject to sexual molestation. A duty prosecuting attorney agrees Assange should be sought on suspicion of rape. Aug. 21: The chief prosecutor dismisses the rape charge and arrest warrant, saying what occurred were no more than minor offenses. In the following days, the claimants appeal, and a special prosecutor reopens the case, eventually reissuing the arrest warrant. By now the press had gotten hold of the story. Miss A spoke to a Swedish newspaper, saying: "In both cases, the sex had been consensual from the start but had eventually turned into abuse." "The accusations were not set up by the Pentagon or anybody else," she added. "The responsibility for what happened to me and the other girl lies with a man with a twisted view of women, who has a problem accepting the word 'no.' " www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40551118/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 7, 2016 17:10:33 GMT
Correct. However, Assange has been granted political asylum in Ecuador but the British government is preventing him from leaving the Ecuadorian Embassy to travel to Ecuador.
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Post by jimboky on Feb 7, 2016 17:53:59 GMT
None of this matters, he is in the UK, it is up to the courts in the UK to either extradite him or whatever they want,
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Post by hammerhead on Feb 7, 2016 18:09:38 GMT
If you're actually interested in learning anything, Jimbo, here's your US definition on Embassies. U.S. embassies and consulates abroad, as well as foreign embassies and consulates in the United States, have a special status. While diplomatic spaces remain the territory of the host state, an embassy or consulate represents a sovereign state. International rules do not allow representatives of the host country to enter an embassy without permission - even to put out a fire...diplomacy.state.gov/discoverdiplomacy/diplomacy101/places/170537.htm
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 7, 2016 20:08:52 GMT
Why does he not fear it from Britain? Because Britain has no reason to arrest him other than what originates from the Swedish EAW. That doesn't answer the question.
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 7, 2016 20:10:15 GMT
And what is th about 12m in expenses? That could be readily avoided if he flew to Sweden to face the allegations against him. He seems afraid to do so for no logical reason. Oh and your point on knowing whether you were raped is really moronic and shows how little you understand laws on consent. A crime can still have occurred even if the victim doesn't realise a crime has been committed against him/her. Yes Assange could have avoided the £12m in costs to us but not without being in custody, Sweden could also have avoided the £12m in costs and the custody . It is not moronic that neither women claimed they were raped or wanted him charged with rape, it's highly pertinent. Both women freely entered into a sexual relationship with him, this is not rape, it's regret! No I said your views on rape and consent were moronic. It is perfectly possible for a crime to have been committed without the victim feeling they were the victim of a crime.
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 7, 2016 20:12:31 GMT
Shouldn't this be decided by the UK court? Is the UK a country? The UN is merely giving its opinion. It carries no weight in the UK.
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Post by lala on Feb 7, 2016 20:35:01 GMT
Assange has been granted political asylum in Ecuador. He has been prevented from going to Ecuador by Britain. But there is nothing to prevent the Swedish government from asking to interview Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. Only one allegation remains under investigation. The investigation into the other allegations has been dropped. I'm sure Assange is ready to answer questions that could lead to the remaining case being dropped as well. Assange is not on trial. He has not even been charged with any offence. Just like OH, you are failing to take into account how the Swedish legal system operates. Assange can not be indicted because he has not been interrogated. That's how they do it. 'Charging' in Sweden seems to be different to how we do it in Britain, and is only done at the final stage. So for the interrogation to take place, they have to have their brutal Swedish hands on him. If they interrogate him in the embassy by video and say, "Right, we're gonna indict you, Jules," he'll just decide to stay put. Also, people facing rape accusations shouldn't be calling the shots. That's not how the system works, in proper countries. Maybe in Iraq under Saddam, if you happened to be his sons, but not elsewhere.
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Post by lala on Feb 7, 2016 20:35:55 GMT
Because Britain has no reason to arrest him other than what originates from the Swedish EAW. Breach of bail.
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 7, 2016 21:21:46 GMT
Because Britain has no reason to arrest him other than what originates from the Swedish EAW. Breach of bail. Originating from a Swedish EAW
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Post by lala on Feb 7, 2016 21:36:22 GMT
So he has reason to fear extradition to the US by the UK?
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 7, 2016 22:39:51 GMT
Obviously, the Swedes have no great interest in moving the case forward. They've already let the complaints lapse, except one. Rather than conduct an interview, they're just letting the time run out on the last complaint. There's no reason at all why they shouldn't ask permission to meet Assange in the Ecuadorian Embassy.
It's quite usual for the police to go abroad to conduct an interview. I'm sure they would prefer a jaunt to Brazil or the Caribbean but London's not bad. After completing the preliminary phase, they can decide whether to drop the case or go to the next stage. If it ever came to a trial, it's not unknown to try somebody in absentia.
Meanwhile, Assange has been granted political asylum in Ecuador, but the UK is preventing him from travelling.
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Post by auldhippy on Feb 7, 2016 23:17:09 GMT
Yes Assange could have avoided the £12m in costs to us but not without being in custody, Sweden could also have avoided the £12m in costs and the custody . It is not moronic that neither women claimed they were raped or wanted him charged with rape, it's highly pertinent. Both women freely entered into a sexual relationship with him, this is not rape, it's regret! No I said your views on rape and consent were moronic. It is perfectly possible for a crime to have been committed without the victim feeling they were the victim of a crime. I don't believe I've offered my view of rape and consent, to be clear it's don't rape & get consent. Here's my view of this alleged rape, the victims didn't claim rape or want him charged with rape. Indeed both texted friends that they were having a ball with the coolest folk on the planet, later telling the prosecutor it was the worst consensual sex ever. Neither were bothered till they learned of each other and if Assange's lawyers are to believed colluding by text to make money from the media. He remained the house-guest/bedmate of the first woman for a week, he was intimate in a cinema with the second who then took him home for more intimacy. Frankly I like this second lady, she got up & went out for breakfast supplies before returning to bed for a nap, kudos for that but somehow she can't remember how many times they had sex when awake but can remember how many times when she was asleep. Kudos again though she told a joke, that always enhances sex. The first prosecutor found insufficient evidence to charge rape. Now I could understand re-opening the case if the women wanted to have him charged with rape but they didn't so I find it strange that a pro US neocon lawyer, that neither woman could afford, who also is a prosecutor can re-open the case possibly abusing the EAW in the process. Against the backdrop of a US Grand Jury trial, Sweden's known history of rendition, Manning's incarceration in naked solitary without trial I can absolutely understand Assange doing everything possible to avoid being in custody. Sweden will not rule out the possibility of onward extradition and the US will not rule out Assanges' arrest. I think two groupies had disappointing sex and that the allegations are politically motivated (not by the women) and the State of Ecuador agrees with me.
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