Psychological debate

[feral]

and you also have no way of knowing if what you percieve is true or even correct

I think you do .You just dont know how you know it's correct

[yord]

whether its correct or not is not of importance, it can only be how it is acted on that is of importance

[feral]

Oh yes .
However ,knowing that you are correct in your perception of something should have a bearing on how you act .So it isnt entirely unimportant

[yord]

you cant know your correct in what your perceiving.

[feral]

Yes you can .You just can't prove you know you're correct

[feral]

Also
My perception of something may be entirely different to someone else's of the exact same thing .Which doesnt necessarily mean that both perceptions are incorrect .It could just as well mean that they are both correct

[yord]

you are only pointing to perception as being totaly personal which it is and it is easy to prove that perceptions are incorrect by the way you act on them

[feral]

Yes, well I didnt disagree with you that they were totally personal .I'm disagreeing with you that you can't know if they're correct .Sometimes you just do know that they are.How you act on a perception doesnt change it's rightness or wrongness .All it will eventually do is change the original perception .Perhaps

[feral]

Correction .
All it will eventually do is change your later perception of the original perception

[yord]

therefore perceptions are incorrect and should never be relied on

[feral]

How do you come to that conclusion ?
If I have a red dress and dye it black it doesnt mean that it was always black

[feral]

Our perception of things changes .The way we perceive them. That doesnt necessarily mean that the original perceptions were wrong.Just different .And perhaps perfectly correct for that moment .

[feral]

As a 12 year old I may have perceived life as something that stretched for years ahead of me .As a 52 year old I no longer perceive it that way .That doesnt mean I was wrong as a child -in fact I've proved to my 12 year old self that she was right,seeing as I'm still here 40 years on.

[yord]

"If I have a red dress and dye it black it doesnt mean that it was always black " Eh wtf has that to do with anything

"That doesnt necessarily mean that the original perceptions were wrong"
Dosnt it ?

[feral]

Eh wtf has that to do with anything

That if you looked at the dress now you would perceive it as black .And you would be correct .However it was originally red and you would have been correct to perceive it as that at that time .The only question remaining is ,is the dress actually a red dress or a black dress now ? Or both?

"That doesnt necessarily mean that the original perceptions were wrong"
Dosnt it ?

No .It might just mean that your way of perceiving things has changed .To presume that all ways are wrong is as incorrect as saying that all ways are right

[yord]

if you want to insist that what you perceive is correct then yes the dress is red at that time and black at the other time. This has nothing to do with it. When you are perceiving the dress as red you are perceiving it that way and have no way of knowing if those perceptions are correct. Everything screams that they are not correct at all however it is of no importance.The way you act and react to those perceptions is another matter.

[feral]

lol.I aint insisting that my perceptions ( or anybody's ) are correct .I haven't done that once .All I said is that sometimes you just know that a perception is correct without knowing how you know it.I brought up the dress only to illustrate that there can be a time when you know a perception was correct but that things change so that you have another perception of the exact same thing .This doesnt mean that either perception is or was wrong . However, it would have been wrong to wear the red dress with a lilac scarf .
Be ok with the black one though .
If you like lilac

[feral]

Can you perceive what I'm doing now ?

[pinxminx]

This is getting stoopid!
WTF are you guys on about?

[pinxminx]

'What one perceives is a result of interplays between past experiences, including one’s culture, and the interpretation of the perceived. If the percept does not have support in any of these perceptual bases it is unlikely to rise above perceptual threshold'.

Can we agree on that for a start?