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Post by dwad on Jan 19, 2009 15:57:34 GMT
He talks about prayer, but not church? Where does he say this about church? I'm sorry Dowd, I won't get into an argument with anyone over this matter. It's not an argument. It's just an oft proferred idea that I can't find any basis for. I'd be interested to know what the basis is. I've read the gospels many times and Christ encourages not only a private faith but a corporate one. He always encourages followers to meet together and eat together, most notably at the Last Supper where he encourages the disciples to break bread in remembrance of him. If you want to go beyond the Bible as well it's just common sense. If something is really important to you you join clubs and talk to other interested people. I'd just be interested to know why you don't think church is important/right? |
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Post by Libby on Jan 19, 2009 15:59:51 GMT
What about a bit of tolerance for people with a religion for people without one, and a bit of tolerance for those without a religion for people who do have one? Surely everyone is entitled to follow their own belief system without being slagged off by those who don't feel the same. Why should it bother anyone else that I'm a Christian? I'm not bothered that people are atheists or follow another religion. That's thier choice. I've made mine. No-one has the monopoly on either good or evil. Belief in God doesn't automatically make you good, any more than being an Atheist does. It is what people do, not what they are or say they believe, that makes them people you would be happy to know...or not. Well said Puffin!  |
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Post by radge on Jan 19, 2009 16:05:38 GMT
It aint important cause its all man made pants to keep the weak weak and keep the strong pw=owerful!!! BWAHAHAHAHA
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Post by tarrant on Jan 19, 2009 16:20:51 GMT
It's not an argument. It's just an oft proferred idea that I can't find any basis for. I'd be interested to know what the basis is. I've read the gospels many times and Christ encourages not only a private faith but a corporate one. He always encourages followers to meet together and eat together, most notably at the Last Supper where he encourages the disciples to break bread in remembrance of him. If you want to go beyond the Bible as well it's just common sense. If something is really important to you you join clubs and talk to other interested people. I'd just be interested to know why you don't think church is important/right? I accept that that is your interpertation. I won't argue it. I have personally never quite understood how Jesus, at the last supper, telling his friends to break bread in memory of Him could be expanded into the incredably formal matter that occurs in so many churches today when, often, ordinary people are often not even considered good enough to drink any wine. But as I've said, I don't get into arguments over the Gospels. I'm sure that whatever was reveiled to you when you read them was what was intended I am simply not qualified to be a preacher. I'm a peacemaker. I try my best. That is all. |
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Post by peakman on Jan 19, 2009 16:38:51 GMT
Rejection of God not a religion. Well maybe but Abraham is considered to be the patriarch of the worlds three major religions and yet it was his rejection of multiple gods that began it all. Would this be considered an evolving understanding? If so could the statement upon that bus be the next and final stage.
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Post by dwad on Jan 19, 2009 16:41:20 GMT
I accept that that is your interpertation. I won't argue it.
Don't argue it, help me to understand yours. It doesn't make for much of a debate board otherwise and I'd like to hear another idea.
I have personally never quite understood how Jesus, at the last supper, telling his friends to break bread in memory of Him could be expanded into the incredably formal matter that occurs in so many churches today when, often, ordinary people are often not even considered good enough to drink any wine.
I can very much understand this view and think it can be pretty offensive, but this is an argument against certain high church anglo-catholic traditions of communion, not the idea of meeting together to share a meal and remember Christ.
But as I've said, I don't get into arguments over the Gospels. I'm sure that whatever was reveiled to you when you read them was what was intended
But isn't important to discuss and challenge your faith?
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 19, 2009 16:45:35 GMT
Abraham is considered to be the patriarch of the worlds three major religions and yet it was his rejection of multiple gods that began it all. How much suffering we could lay at his door. And how many foreskins have been lost because of him? Is this man responsible for the greatest crime against humanity ever? |
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Post by tarrant on Jan 19, 2009 16:57:42 GMT
Don't argue it, help me to understand yours. It doesn't make for much of a debate board otherwise and I'd like to hear another idea. I think I've already spelt this out but I will do so again. 1, We must obey the 10 Commandments, as interperted by Jesus. These are: 1 Don't worship any other god 2 Don't worship any idol 3 Don't abuse the name of God 4 Rest one day in seven 5 Honor your father and mother 6 Don't kill 7 Don't commit adultery 8 Don't steal 9 Don't lie about other people 10 Don't covet others goods or relationships. 2. Our relationship with God is personal to each of us. No man may judge us and we must not judge anyone else. 3. Jesus gave us 4 instructions relating to praying. 4. The only way to understand what Jesus taught us is to read the Gospels for yourself. I suggest you read each, from the begining to the end, without a break. not the idea of meeting together to share a meal and remember Christ. I frequently do. I don't entertain very much at home but if I go to someone's home for a meal and they are like minded, we will often discuss Jesus, His teachings and similar matters. But isn't important to discuss and challenge your faith? I do, or rather it is continually challenged. |
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Post by peakman on Jan 19, 2009 16:58:14 GMT
I have personally never quite understood how Jesus, at the last supper, telling his friends to break bread in memory of Him could be expanded into the incredably formal matter that occurs in so many churches today...Tarrant Me too, when I know that "breaking bread" is simply to eat. If you are asked to "break bread with someone, you are simply being asked if you would care to share a meal with that person or persons. Why turn this last meal together into some sort of mystery ritual?
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Post by peakman on Jan 19, 2009 17:02:56 GMT
Abraham is considered to be the patriarch of the worlds three major religions and yet it was his rejection of multiple gods that began it all. How much suffering we could lay at his door. And how many foreskins have been lost because of him? Is this man responsible for the greatest crime against humanity ever? I don't know about Abraham but I reckon Paul could fit the bill. P.S. Cercumsision....not a "Christian thing"  |
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Post by peakman on Jan 19, 2009 17:07:09 GMT
P.P.S. I'm also not into this "One God thing"  so yes Abraham may be responsible for allot of the worlds troubles. |
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Post by radge on Jan 19, 2009 17:24:07 GMT
The book and the movie "the Kite Runner" says a very true fact that helps simplify life and whats right and whats not. that is the only sin in life is theft. Dont steal anothers life, dont steal anothers partner, dont steal someones right to the truth, dont steal... stealing sucks i tell you |
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Post by silkbreeze on Jan 19, 2009 17:56:07 GMT
there are similarities in the writings and teachings of certain religions and non religions because as others on the board have said there is a moral and ethical code we should all live by, how we go about it, the interpretations, the manifestations of those beliefs by those that kill, are killed, love and are loved in the name of a named belief is where much of the problems lie and lie
how we insist others see us
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Post by silkbreeze on Jan 19, 2009 18:39:09 GMT
And how many foreskins have been lost because of him?that reminds me that there are those that call some of the uncut ones 'cheese sticks' 
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Post by avieder on Jan 19, 2009 18:54:26 GMT
Wow, this has turned into an interesting string.
I've learned a bit about Christianity from it. Like I did from "DeVinci Code"....
There are 613 laws in the Tora for Jews. Most of them will be applicable onlly once Temple is built.
Some are better not to observe (giving a document of divorce...), Some are 'natural' (respect thy paents), some can be explained logically some can be explained and some cannot be explained. Yet all of them are of equal importence.
Cirumcision is very healthy (with medical proof)
I cannot compare Judaism to other religions because I do not know enough about Judaism and practically nothing about the others.
All I can say is that keeping the laws is for our present life. After death we will be judged by a fair judge who understands our weaknesses (as He does every Yom Kippur)
So keeping the laws does not make us saints just as breaking them does not damn us to"hell" (by "us" I mean all human beings)
When I say "I never lie" that is because it is completely useless to lie, especially on discussion boards such as this. On the other hand, I know that I will have to "explain" my participation in these discussions when I am at work..... (I am home now !!!!)
As to the subject of this string, I think that humanity is now about 3 Millenia after Sinai and about 5 Milenea after aquiring the ability to speak (and therfore lie).
Things that we accept as "common knowledge" and "decency" have not always been so. The society structures, familys, morals etc. were very differen to what we have today.
True, the religious leaders have abused faith to further their interest and power. True to all religions.
Nevertheless this should not lead to the rejection of faith altogether becaue we have nothing better. And I include all the faiths regardless of negative sentiments that some of you may harbour to Jews or Muslims.
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Post by radge on Jan 19, 2009 19:03:37 GMT
im sure female circumcision is very healthy too ahahah. To say its healthy suggests that without it you are unhealthy. Be careful of how you reiterate information you collect. |
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Post by radge on Jan 19, 2009 19:06:09 GMT
oh and i reject religion on the grounds that i do have something better. I have me. |
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Post by avieder on Jan 19, 2009 19:34:12 GMT
#155: "....To say its healthy suggests that without it you are unhealthy"
No. It doesn't. Drinking Orange juice is healthy.... Do you need a deeper explanation?
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Post by radge on Jan 19, 2009 19:38:39 GMT
im just saying what has circumcision got to do with health? feck all other than those who think its a good idea come up with some clap trap to promote it in a favourable context. Sometimes for medical puropses circumcision is better for the individual on a comfort level, but health has nothing to do with it.
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Post by avieder on Jan 19, 2009 19:39:35 GMT
#156: "...i do have something better. I have me. "
that's really nice: a 'criminal', prosecuter, defender, judge, Jury, ... all in one person!
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