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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 27, 2024 18:18:08 GMT
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Post by mids on Aug 27, 2024 18:30:09 GMT
They seem decent enough. Apart from having a dog in a flat.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 1, 2024 7:18:37 GMT
This was an interesting read, not that it tells us much we didn't already know, but the machinations and interpretations are revealing. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62305qx946oIt will be interesting to hear what you draw from this. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 1, 2024 8:39:03 GMT
"In the 1980s, however, Margaret Thatcher wanted to reduce government intervention. Regulations stopped listing precise rules, simply describing instead what the end result should be.
The external walls of a building, the regulations now stated, should simply offer “adequate resistance” to fire - a standard the public inquiry has already concluded Grenfell Tower did not meet.
How to achieve this was contained in government guidance, not regulations.
Dr Lane says this shift gave the industry a false confidence to not really care as much as they should about safety."
This is a really crass misrepresentation. I don't think anyone in construction was in any real doubt about what the Building Regulations required. It's dogshit.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 1, 2024 10:26:19 GMT
I think that’s the point. Cut regulations relies on the construction industry’s better nature with inevitable consequences. This is why rules and regs exist. It’s not just to stifle industry.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 1, 2024 13:03:52 GMT
Well, I think we have been reminded that those who take on the responsibility of overseeing the implementation should actually do that. What this silly cow has done is get herself gaslit by just one such of those people.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 4, 2024 7:32:14 GMT
Mawkfest 2024 starts today. www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c623vrw92rrtIt's quite right that the deaths should be remembered and regretted, but let's hope that the enquiry is totally objective and, above all, effective. I anticipate that any criticisms will fall on those most able and likely to pay. I doubt too many BC surveyors' PI policies will be troubled. |
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Post by mids on Sept 4, 2024 7:52:28 GMT
Is there any way this could be combined with St Stephen's Day? Or maybe change the route of the Notting Hill Carnival to dance around the ruin?
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 4, 2024 8:04:10 GMT
BBC Radio 4's Today programme just signed off with a 72-second silence. FFS!
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Post by mids on Sept 4, 2024 8:08:56 GMT
I was out in the street clanking pots. Did I get it wrong?
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 4, 2024 8:23:00 GMT
I see the money-go-round has started on respect of a "national-scale" memorial. Not one penny of public money. Public subscription only, with a fixed, do-or-die, budget.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 4, 2024 10:52:10 GMT
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Post by moggyonspeed on Sept 4, 2024 11:28:28 GMT
From the BBC website:
"Nineteen organisations and 58 individuals are currently under investigation over the fire - but it will be late 2026 before any criminal prosecutions begin.
"The delay means it’s likely that, if there are any prosecutions, no defendants will appear in court until 2027."
Whoever had a hand in this - manufacturer, installer, architect, fire chief, or politician of whatever stripe - should hang their heads in shame. This is one of those times, imho, for which the phrase "Let justice prevail" was never more apt.
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Post by voice on Sept 4, 2024 13:32:50 GMT
I blame the tories
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 4, 2024 14:31:48 GMT
They didn't run the Local Authority.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Sept 4, 2024 15:17:27 GMT
They didn't run the Local Authority. "Kensington & Chelsea London Borough Council, also known as Kensington & Chelsea Council, is the local authority for the Royal Borough of Kensington & Chelsea in Greater London. It is a London borough council, one of 32 in London. The council has been under Conservative majority control since its creation in 1965." You may view yourself as being right on this, in the sense that clearly no-one was running the show or had a grip on important things such as fire safety. Thing is, by extension, you then have to argue (for consistency) that in the four years leading up to July this year, no-one was running the country either. The Tories were tripping over themselves in the mad dash for post-Labour de-regulation of the building industry in 2010, none more so than Eric Pickles who headed up the very Government department in charge of de-regulation at the time. Of course, he's now on record as saying that his goal of dropping all the red-tape didn't mean that governing safety regulations; clearly he's doing the classic Tory thing of dobbing-in his civil servants, equally clearly forgetting that leadership starts at the top. Still, his "thoughts and prayers are with the survivors and their families". So that's alright then. Tories: Demonstrably an unsafe (occasionally lethal) pair of hands on pretty much everything. |
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Post by flatandy on Sept 4, 2024 16:54:46 GMT
While obviously the Tories are terrible people, I'm not sure that Tory control is exactly the culprit here, rather the lack of regulation and the entire modern free markety, "the public will rebel if it's unsafe and businesses will lose money so therefore they'll build everything to the highest possible standards", mentality. Tories adhere to this bollocks even more than Labour or Libs, but the Orange Book Cleggite Libs believed the hell out of this crap and Blair and Brown's Labour did too, and there's no evidence that Starmer doesn't. It is pervasive across Britain.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 4, 2024 17:27:08 GMT
They didn't run the Local Authority. "Kensington & Chelsea London Borough Council, also known as Kensington & Chelsea Council, is the local authority for the Royal Borough of Kensington & Chelsea in Greater London. It is a London borough council, one of 32 in London. The council has been under Conservative majority control since its creation in 1965." You may view yourself as being right on this, in the sense that clearly no-one was running the show or had a grip on important things such as fire safety. Thing is, by extension, you then have to argue (for consistency) that in the four years leading up to July this year, no-one was running the country either. The Tories were tripping over themselves in the mad dash for post-Labour de-regulation of the building industry in 2010, none more so than Eric Pickles who headed up the very Government department in charge of de-regulation at the time. Of course, he's now on record as saying that his goal of dropping all the red-tape didn't mean that governing safety regulations; clearly he's doing the classic Tory thing of dobbing-in his civil servants, equally clearly forgetting that leadership starts at the top. Still, his "thoughts and prayers are with the survivors and their families". So that's alright then. Tories: Demonstrably an unsafe (occasionally lethal) pair of hands on pretty much everything. Bullshit. You're confusing several different things. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 4, 2024 17:36:45 GMT
Approved Inspectors 1984.
Fire Regs Reform 2005.
None of this works with your narrative. I accept that LBK&C has always been Conservative.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 5, 2024 7:49:02 GMT
It's a funny thing, but I have never liked using approved Building Control surveyors. It's always felt sketchy so
, if I've needed approval, I've always used the LA team. The introduction of private surveyors did achieve one thing: it made the LA guys sharpen up their act in a big way. They used to be very, very slow and smug.
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