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Post by Whiterum on Jun 15, 2017 12:08:20 GMT
Would have thought having just one staircase in the building , wouldn't help at all, when people are running down to escape, while fire fighters are running up to fight the fire, or was that the reason for the "stay put policy"?
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Post by nobody on Jun 15, 2017 12:19:06 GMT
The stay put policy is all well and good, provided the fire is contained.
I don't think that is the case here, particularly when the fire is outside.
I'm convinced its cost cutting, kickbacks, negligence, and corruption generally here.
As David Lammy has said, somebody shouldbe brought to court on manslaughter charges.
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Post by mids on Jun 15, 2017 12:47:09 GMT
Probably best to wait on the inquiry though. For sure if it can be shown that decisions made by individuals and those who had oversight of them are at fault then prosecutions should follow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 12:50:01 GMT
So how and where did the fire start?
This could well be arson.
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Post by Whiterum on Jun 15, 2017 12:54:32 GMT
The Grenfell Tower resident whose faulty fridge exploded and started Britain's most deadly fire for a generation packed a bag and then raised the alarm, his pregnant neighbour claimed today. Maryam Adam, 41, said the man, described as a white Briton, knocked on her door to warn her about the kitchen blaze at 12.50am yesterday. At 12.54am, the fire brigade was called, and the first engines arrived within six minutes. Ms Adam, who is expecting a baby, noticed he had already packed his belongings into a large holdall lying in the corridor behind him. LINK |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 15, 2017 12:58:10 GMT
What are you gibbering about? You don't use lifts in an emergency and the staircases is a dedicated means of escape. Sterile, no fire load, compartmentalised etc. Also, the liftshafts and stairwell in a building like that forms the sheercore which makes the building rigid. You should, in theory, only need one. Remember that all the traffic should be going the same way in an emergency A point I clearly made. "It would not have been anticipated that the only staircase would be used for anything other than emergency use." numbnuts. Clearly not clearly. Anyway, what did you make of that structural engineer's assessment of the Twin Towers? Cat got yer tongue again? |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 15, 2017 13:00:17 GMT
Would have thought having just one staircase in the building , wouldn't help at all, when people are running down to escape, while fire fighters are running up to fight the fire, or was that the reason for the "stay put policy"? Well, the priority is to get people out if you can safely do so. You're right that the approach was contradictory though. |
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Post by clarity on Jun 15, 2017 13:05:00 GMT
"stairways & lift shafts are problematic because they create chimneys to draw fires up." Well, they're not problematic if they're built according to the Building Regulations which set out precisely what steps need to be taken to make them safe e.g. 60/60FR doors, automatic closers, intumescent strips, etc. It is inconceivable that these were not fitted in this case. That's exactly what I was thinking. I visit an elderly woman who lives in a high rise apartment building and there are 4 staircases for emergency exits, all of them have 'fire' doors on each level with automatic closers etc. |
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Post by nobody on Jun 15, 2017 13:06:13 GMT
A Dry Riser should have been fitted as a basic requirement. Not as good as a Sprinkler IMO but at least water could have been used without the need for Firemen to use hoses, hoses which were unable to reach the top of the tower block.
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Post by nobody on Jun 15, 2017 13:11:14 GMT
Well, they're not problematic if they're built according to the Building Regulations which set out precisely what steps need to be taken to make them safe e.g. 60/60FR doors, automatic closers, intumescent strips, etc. It is inconceivable that these were not fitted in this case. Baloo
The only doors onto a fire escape are the ones from each of the landings, which people would need to open to get into the stairwell. The doors should be self closing and should comply with Regs.
The self closing/auto closing rely on people not opening them, ie, to contain the fire.
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Post by clarity on Jun 15, 2017 13:24:08 GMT
The self closing doors in the building I referred to earlier have notices on the door and to each side stating that they must be kept closed at all times, except of course when people are using them as an emergency exit, and it is an offense to prop them open. Plus there are sprinklers in all the common areas such as hallways and also in the kitchens of each apartment.
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Post by Whiterum on Jun 15, 2017 13:32:24 GMT
Just shows you how parts of London have become a third world like state. Which doesn't help when you have a Tory government in power who constantly cuts public spending.
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Post by nobody on Jun 15, 2017 13:34:56 GMT
Thats a bit churlish RR,
Or are you suggesting as Corbyn has, the fire was the fault of Theresa May?
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Post by Whiterum on Jun 15, 2017 13:37:22 GMT
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Post by nobody on Jun 15, 2017 13:46:00 GMT
Corbyn turned up to try and score a few Brownie points,
To try and blame the present Gov is just stupid.
The people responsible are the Contractors, and associated people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 13:47:30 GMT
She is f**k**g awful, have to agree.
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Post by Whiterum on Jun 15, 2017 13:48:38 GMT
Why do you think the people voted Labour in that part of London in the last election, because it was a Tory run council, and they were over the moon when Labour took that seat.
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Post by auldhippy on Jun 15, 2017 14:07:20 GMT
A point I clearly made. "It would not have been anticipated that the only staircase would be used for anything other than emergency use." numbnuts. Clearly not clearly. Anyway, what did you make of that structural engineer's assessment of the Twin Towers? Cat got yer tongue again? Obviously completely clearly. "It would not have been anticipated that the only staircase would be used for anything other than emergency use." No idea what engineer you refer to or why they would be making any comparisons at all with 11/09. |
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Post by mids on Jun 15, 2017 14:18:34 GMT
Corbyn has taken politicising tragedy to a new level. Brown was always bad for that but he did at least wait a few days ( Browns tactic was to accuse the Tories of politicising something before anyone else had thought to do so, thus politicising it himself). I saw Corbyn being interviewed earlier and he claimed to have personally seen May light the fire while cackling and capering wildly.
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Post by jimboky on Jun 15, 2017 14:18:45 GMT
Corbyn turned up to try and score a few Brownie points, To try and blame the present Gov is just stupid. The people responsible are the Contractors, and associated people. Which contractor? was there a contractor that was supposed to install a sprinkler that didn't? |
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