Parkland Florida

[hammerhead]

"...the worst school shooting in Florida history."

Guess Americans are inured to it, given they can rank individual States.

Here, families relocate to get the best schools for their kids sometimes. Usually for academic results though, I don't recall the likelyhood of said children being massacred much of a consideration.

[voice]

Feb 15, 2018 0:02:22 GMT voice said:

ffs, that's terrible

no doubt Alex Jones is already talking about crisis actors faking the whole thing, cnut.

as predicted

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43140105

A survivor of last week's school shooting in Florida has denied claims he is an actor with an anti-gun agenda.

Speaking on CNN, student David Hogg said he was a witness.

Conspiracy theorists online have accused the survivors of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High of being paid actors who travel between the sites of mass shootings.

An aide to a Republican state representative has been fired for repeating the unsubstantiated claims.

[flatandy]

There's been some outrageous stuff from the US right already, being complete and utter arsewipes to the kids who survived the shooting and are speaking up on it.

[voice]

saw a great comment yesterday. 'If your first thought or reaction to a school massacre is "they better not take away my guns" your problem is not a political one its a moral one'

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Why shouldn't paid actors confront the pro-gun lobby? It doesn't invalidate the cause in any way.

[voice]

well the accusation is the whole thing was fake, the massacre and everything about it

[jimboky]

Accusation by who???

I've no doubt that some of the kids from school are at this rally, and we all know that teenagers always know everything about everything, just ask one

I suspect that though the kids at the rally are kids from the school, I suspect the rally was organized by the anti-gun groups, which is ok I guess but always wonder why they are so secretive about it? I have never seen the NRA hide their involvement in things they support.




Have wonder how this crazy kid was not disallowed from buying gun? He had dozens of police calls, was being treated for mental issues, was on mind altering drugs,

[Whiterum]

There"S only one thing that needs altering, and thats the second amendment,period

[jimboky]

Then they should come out and propose a repeal of the 2nd amendment,

[Whiterum]

Feb 21, 2018 19:22:41 GMT jimboky said:

Then they should come out and propose a repeal of the 2nd amendment,

That has been done already,numerous times, yet the massacres keep on coming.

[flatandy]

All that's actually needed is a non-insane interpretation of the second amendment which accepts that people can't have whatever armaments they feel like in their own homes, unregulated, and that the government does possess the legal right to stop US citizens from buying, making and possessing nuclear warheads, sarin gas, Apache helicopters, AR-15s and other weapons that are considered ridiculous for the public to have. To understand the second amendment in the context of the era it was conceived, when the most that the public could possibly own was a musket. To interpret the second amendment more narrowly, in terms of well regulated militias - which requires good regulation, including regulating what weapons people can own, who those people are, and how they can access them.

The second amendment, with a grown up interpretation, allows the government to ban AR-15s, to require thorough checks on gun owners, to require owners to get liability insurance, to require owners to take training and get licenses at regular intervals, to require gun owners to keep their weapons in gun safes, to prevent public carry (concealed or open), to ban many classes of individuals from owning weapons.

The problem isn't the second amendment. It's the absolutely deranged absolutist interpretations of it that are currently the vogue.

[voice]

Feb 21, 2018 19:09:39 GMT jimboky said:

Accusation by who???

www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/02/20/a-lawmakers-aide-called-school-shooting-survivors-actors-within-hours-he-was-fired/?utm_term=.c474cff9871f

A lawmaker’s aide called school-shooting survivors crisis actors.


www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/nope-the-florida-school-shooting-survivors-demanding-gun?utm_term=.wwDxXYZ7dR#.ro87Y5Vpx3

In the days since a gunman opened fire on their classmates on Valentine's Day, killing 17 people just as school was about to end for the day, a group of outraged teenage survivors have been vocally demanding stricter gun laws. In response to their activism, right-wing outlets have contrived and pushed false reports that the students are actors capitalizing on the tragedy to push a liberal agenda on gun control.

These fake claims have now gone viral. Hundreds of videos, articles, and posts claiming to unmask these fake students have swept across social media, gaining thousands of views, shares, and retweets. The content picks apart the students' performances in media interviews as they talked about the friends they lost in the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School and their anger that the tragedy happened at another US school.

As of Tuesday night, 108,135 people were talking about "crisis actors" on Facebook. One video had been watched more than 41,000 times and shared by about 2,300 users. Before it was removed, another Facebook post calling Stoneman Douglas senior David Hogg an actor was shared more than 110,000 times. Yet another clip posted on Twitter got more than 6,000 retweets.

TheGatewayPundit.com, a right-wing news website, also posted a story that noted Hogg's father is a retired FBI agent — a fact the site dubbed a “red flag” — and concluded, without evidence, that the teen had been coached to push anti-Trump talking points.


I could go on, but doubt any of its getting through

[voice]

and why are the gun fetishists so black and white in their response, and get all girly and hysteric about some sensible approaches to gun regulation, its always "they'll never take my guns" and "from my cold dead hands" nonsense with them. These histrionic's I suppose are there to drown out any talk of sensible regulation. Lots of nations have high gun ownership rates, (and mental health problems, though that's also diversion tactic) but by use of good sensible regulations battlefield weapons and other stuff that's only real use is killing people are restricted.

[jimboky]

what army uses a AR15? When I was in the army we used select fire M16, it selected from semi-auto to auto, the AR15 is only semi-auto,,

There are those who claim to want to ban all guns, and scrap the 2nd amendment, then they are those who support restricting gun ownership from the mentally ill, at least while they are mentally ill,

I also would not object to restricting 18yo's from buying AR15's, make them wait till they are 21 to buy handguns and AR15 type guns, and also to vote, some things should only be allowed for adults,

why wouldn't you start by seeing how this kid, who was expelled, being treated at a mental clinic, had police called on him dozens of times not get dinged on background check? There is a strong chance really getting this passed while there is little to no chance of getting the 2nd amendment repealed

[Whiterum]

Let's get down to the kitty gritty shal we , the American government has continued for decades to let the world know how powerful they are, and how it's "Terrorists" and outsiders who are a threat, and will pass many laws to prevent non-Americans from entering , while their own people will continue to murder each other with weapons that have been a " right to have" and will continue to perform massacres.

[flatandy]

Feb 21, 2018 20:35:54 GMT jimboky said:

what army uses a AR15? When I was in the army we used select fire M16, it selected from semi-auto to auto, the AR15 is only semi-auto,,

Exactly the sort of thing we expect from the gun nuts, trying to muddy what is clear. The M16 is basically a variant on the AR-15. Militaries use derivatives like M16s and M4s - these are forms of the AR15. Not that it matters. Nobody needs any of these objects, and there'd be no reason to have them anywhere other than under lock and key at a range.

There are those who claim to want to ban all guns, and scrap the 2nd amendment, then they are those who support restricting gun ownership from the mentally ill, at least while they are mentally ill,

More gun nut nonsense - who suggest that the only options are banning all guns, or the "sensible" choice of stopping the mentally ill from getting them. There are, of course, all kinds of positions that involve restricting ownership beyond just the mentally ill that don't involve banning all guns.

And, of course, there's even a position that gets rid of the second amendment but doesn't ban guns. But nobody is going to repeal the second amendment in the US.

I also would not object to restricting 18yo's from buying AR15's, make them wait till they are 21 to buy handguns and AR15 type guns, and also to vote, some things should only be allowed for adults,

Not voting, huh? Would you also stop under 21s from driving, and from joining the military? The problem isn't the age. The problem is the firearms.

[voice]

Andy beat me to it.

[jimboky]

Obama could have gotten mental health put on background checks, yet he always went for the ban of guns, he failed, this shooting likely would not have happened had this mental kid been unable to get a gun, yet the left only wants a ban, and nothing else,,

[flatandy]

Show me where Obama went for a ban of guns.

[voice]

well he can;t they never can, Obama and the Dems have never run on getting rid of guns, just taking a sensible approach to regulation, ffs these gun fetishists are just as I said above very simplistic black and white thinkers, all or nothing types. I suspect they use such extreme bollox in their arguments cos they know they don't have much to actually justify having battlefield weapons laying about the house. Guns in a sense are tools and while some guns have a use in civilian life, battlefield weapons have no use other than to kill people or make up for certain inadequacies of the blokes who fetishise them