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[ootlg]

Rogue's agreement more like. They all get away with it. They're all at it - I know we diss the Tories constantly but it's an epidemic and now regarded as the norm. VanderLeyen's been up to insider training and you'd think she was as pure as the driven snow. In fact insider trading's endemic - always has been, and it's almost impossible to nail down anyone for it.

[perrykneeham]

Oh yeah, rogue's agreement alright. Agreed.

It's quite clear that the real rewards in politics are taken once they leave office and that you lay the tracks for the gravy train while you're in office.

The same is true of many in the Civil Service and the Forces.

[flatandy]

Dec 31, 2022 9:06:45 GMT perrykneeham said:

Dec 31, 2022 9:02:38 GMT ootlg said:

Did a runner before they could seize him for misappropriation of funds I bet. Couldn't touch him while he was still Pres.

I think that there's a sort of gentlemens' agreement about that sort of thing. That's why Trump will get away with it, just like Clinton.

I’m not sure Clinton did anything illegal. Perhaps you meant Nixon.

Anyway, this is yet another reason that Florida sinking into the ocean might be the one redeeming feature of climate change.

[perrykneeham]

Clinton? Apart from lying to Congress?

I guess we'll never know, but I was making a general point about tacit understandings. Blair.

[flatandy]

Did Clinton actually lie to Congress? In a way that was illegal rather than just typical politician bullshit. Clinton was horrible and immoral and the relationship with an intern is absolutely abusive, but I’m not sure he broke a law.

Anyway, yes. There’s obviously a tacit understanding of immunity. Almost no heads of state or government get prosecuted in modern democracies.

[perrykneeham]

TBH, I'm a bit hazy on where the whole Clinton cigar abuse affair ended up. High farce, I think, and very damaging for the USA.

[ootlg]

The Kennedys were worse, sex-wise. The Bush gang worse genocide-wise.

[perrykneeham]

Genocide's a bit of a stretch. The Kennedy's just screwed around a bit, surely? No surprises there. We're all grown-ups.

Sticking a cigar up your intern, jazzing over her dress and telling the World that black is white is rather different thing: deeply creepy for one thing and massively damaging for the democratic liberal World.

[flatandy]

Dec 31, 2022 16:09:10 GMT ootlg said:

The Kennedys were worse, sex-wise. The Bush gang worse genocide-wise.

Neither really illegal in the same sense, though.

Baloo would’ve been better off referencing Sarkozy or Netanyahu.

[flatandy]

There’d be questions about Chappaquiddick, Kennedy-wise and the law. And some very dodgy stuff from Kennedy Sr with the Nazis, bootlegging, monopolistic trading, stock pumping and all sorts. But nothing apart from shagging around from Jack, nothing actually illegal from the head of state/government..

[perrykneeham]

Looks like Brazil is getting messy. Odd. Can't say that I've been following this and it's hard to see what the beef is.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-64204860

I wonder if overseas agencies are involved. It's curious as there doesn't seem to be any of the traditional proxy tensions or interests and it just looks like anti-democratic gittishness.

[mids]

Bit of a contrast to Trump's "coup" where 3 or 4 old ladies stood outside the Capitol building, shouting.

[perrykneeham]

Yeah, and two or three other old ladies haven't shut up about it since.

[Repat Van]

Jan 9, 2023 7:56:04 GMT perrykneeham said:

Looks like Brazil is getting messy. Odd. Can't say that I've been following this and it's hard to see what the beef is.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-64204860

I wonder if overseas agencies are involved. It's curious as there doesn't seem to be any of the traditional proxy tensions or interests and it just looks like anti-democratic gittishness.

Right-wingers having difficulties accepting the results of democratic elections.

[mids]

Yeah remainers do, don't they.

[Repat Van]

Jan 9, 2023 10:48:49 GMT mids said:

Yeah remainers do, don't they.

They do too but we’re talking about right-wingers - stay on topic.

[flatandy]

Fascist morons somehow believe that overtaking the seat of government for a few hours will change election results. And that the public and authorities will accept this.

This lot, like the US mob, genuinely believe that their election result was falsified somehow despite all the evidence pointing out that it wasn’t. And then also genuinely believed that the police and military were going to be on their side after they tried to take down a non-fascist government.

[ootlg]

Jan 9, 2023 10:48:49 GMT mids said:

Yeah remainers do, don't they.

Still going on about it? As far as I can see Brexiters had it right - the economy's booming, the NHS is getting its promised £350million a day and the nurses are happy, immigration's at zero, no-one's complaining about low wages, travel and work in Europe's exactly the same as it was, the government's doing a great job without EU restraints, the farmers and fishermen are delirious with joy, and Farage is walking around with a permanent erection. What more could anyone want?

[flatandy]

That’s, of course, an entirely different thing. Brexit was an idiotic thing to do. And the Brexit vote was won on the back of an absolute mountain of lies and bullshit. But nobody denied that a majority of the people who voted voted for some form of Brexit. The post vote decision to go for the worst possible form of Brexit is another part of the rank stupidity that’s afoot, combined with Brexit Mean Brexit disingenuousness. There’s enough blame to go around without claiming that the vote wasn’t actually conducted fairly or that the vote was counted wrong.

[ootlg]

Oh, the UK will be a police state soon enough.