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Post by voice on Oct 26, 2020 1:36:11 GMT
Spent a nice day canoeing down the Squamish river, bit cold at 5c but still the sun shon and the rapids were not bad.
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 28, 2020 11:42:11 GMT
WTAF? This copper's a wrong 'un. Difficult to see how this wasn't murder. "A police officer who strangled his long-term lover after she exposed their affair to his wife has been jailed. Dorset Police officer Timothy Brehmer killed nurse Claire Parry, 41, in a pub car park on 9 May. Brehmer and Mrs Parry had a secret relationship for more than 10 years, a trial at Salisbury Crown Court heard. Brehmer, 41, who admitted manslaughter and was acquitted of murder by a jury, has been jailed for 10-and-a-half years. The trial heard mother-of-two Mrs Parry, who was married to another Dorset Police officer, met the defendant outside the Horns Inn in West Parley, Dorset, to confront him about another of his extra-marital affairs. Mrs Parry took his phone to look through his social media messages before sending a text to his wife, saying: "I am cheating on you." Brehmer, of Hordle, Hampshire, said he had strangled Mrs Parry by accident during a "kerfuffle" in his car and that his arm "must have slipped in all the melee". Mrs Parry, from Bournemouth, died in hospital the following day from a brain injury caused by compression of the neck." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-54716338 |
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 28, 2020 17:25:20 GMT
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Post by voice on Oct 28, 2020 17:27:09 GMT
I read that earlier, lots of physical evidence of his abuse reported and the shear number of accusations you gotta think something was amiss in the court system.
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 28, 2020 18:04:29 GMT
Yeah, I see that, sort of. It just struck me that we don't just say people are guilty because they're dead. There are, after all, plenty of cases where accusations have been falsely made for reasons of malice, attention-seeking, profit or combinations of all.
I accept that kids in that situation are often written off as unreliable, but it's worth remembering that they often are.
Dunno. But I don't like the cut 'n' dried stance.
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 28, 2020 22:59:32 GMT
WTAF? This copper's a wrong 'un. Difficult to see how this wasn't murder. "A police officer who strangled his long-term lover after she exposed their affair to his wife has been jailed. Dorset Police officer Timothy Brehmer killed nurse Claire Parry, 41, in a pub car park on 9 May. Brehmer and Mrs Parry had a secret relationship for more than 10 years, a trial at Salisbury Crown Court heard. Brehmer, 41, who admitted manslaughter and was acquitted of murder by a jury, has been jailed for 10-and-a-half years. The trial heard mother-of-two Mrs Parry, who was married to another Dorset Police officer, met the defendant outside the Horns Inn in West Parley, Dorset, to confront him about another of his extra-marital affairs. Mrs Parry took his phone to look through his social media messages before sending a text to his wife, saying: "I am cheating on you." Brehmer, of Hordle, Hampshire, said he had strangled Mrs Parry by accident during a "kerfuffle" in his car and that his arm "must have slipped in all the melee". Mrs Parry, from Bournemouth, died in hospital the following day from a brain injury caused by compression of the neck." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-54716338Is them saying it was “manslaughter” because it was not premeditated? 10.5 years is nothing for a woman’s life. It’s strange how that concern for his wife finding out did not extend to him just keeping it in his pants to start with. Fingers crossed, his time in jail will be completely miserable. I cannot imagine police officers have a good time of it in jail. |
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Post by voice on Oct 28, 2020 23:01:19 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 28, 2020 23:01:24 GMT
It’s curious that despite the repeated allegations and evidence of abuse he continuously walked free? It would be interesting to understand why the juries reached the decisions they did (and juries are not infallible, see: OJ Simpson.) |
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Post by voice on Oct 28, 2020 23:02:29 GMT
if you read it, it was the case the judge who instructed the jury to find him not guilty.
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 28, 2020 23:02:55 GMT
That is fantastic.... “ It’s funny that men are never accidentally killed, but there you go. Must be something to do with periods.” |
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 28, 2020 23:04:49 GMT
if you read it, it was the case the judge who instructed the jury to find him not guilty. In all the trials? (It was too long I could not get through all the stories.) Can juries disregard the judges instructions? Sounds like the judge was a nonce too. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 29, 2020 7:29:33 GMT
if you read it, it was the case the judge who instructed the jury to find him not guilty. Every time? |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Oct 29, 2020 8:52:20 GMT
if you read it, it was the case the judge who instructed the jury to find him not guilty. In all the trials? (It was too long I could not get through all the stories.) Can juries disregard the judges instructions? Sounds like the judge was a nonce too. A judge will instruct a not guilty verdict on a point of law not just because he thinks he's not guilty. |
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 29, 2020 9:07:59 GMT
In all the trials? (It was too long I could not get through all the stories.) Can juries disregard the judges instructions? Sounds like the judge was a nonce too. A judge will instruct a not guilty verdict on a point of law not just because he thinks he's not guilty. That wasn’t my question. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Oct 29, 2020 9:13:43 GMT
A judge will instruct a not guilty verdict on a point of law not just because he thinks he's not guilty. That wasn’t my question. Well, no because he can't legally be found guilty. he can't instruct them to find guilty but he can direct them and they can ignore that. |
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 29, 2020 9:18:21 GMT
Well, no because he can't legally be found guilty. he can't instruct them to find guilty but he can direct them and they can ignore that. That was my question - can juries ignore the judge’s instructions. |
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 29, 2020 9:26:52 GMT
So on actual reading the judge instructing the jury to deliver a not guilty verdict does not appear to be down to a point of law but that the judge simply did not believe the complainants:
“ After hearing the girls’ evidence, Justice Stephen Brown ruled they had made up the allegations. He directed the jury of seven men and five women to find the head teacher not guilty.”
It’s not clear why other juries had delivered verdicts the way they did. It also appears other staff members and a cleaner suspected stuff but when you read stuff like this it’s clearer why any guilty verdicts would always be unlikely:
“ The case was high profile and made newspaper headlines that make for shocking reading by today’s standards. “Gymslip girls tell of school orgies”, one report in the Sun stated, while others referred to the girls as being part of Mount’s “love squad”, up for “three-in-a-bed sex sessions”.
The court heard victims were as young as eight but they were portrayed as willing participants and “obsessed with sex” by the defence.
The prosecution’s argument was not dissimilar: “There is no doubt some girls positively enjoyed what was going on. But these girls have to be protected whether they like it or not.”
The papers and even the prosecution seem to be painting allegations of an adult man having sex with kids (some as young as eight) as just orgies.
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Post by mids on Oct 29, 2020 9:27:58 GMT
You know you're reading a BBC report, right?
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Oct 29, 2020 9:28:05 GMT
So it's a direction not an instruction and the Jury can ignore it.
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 29, 2020 9:32:15 GMT
You know you're reading a BBC report, right? No. I had no idea the BBC link to the story was a BBC link. |
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