US Supreme Court, women's bodily autonomy cancelled

[voice]

Forced birth is abhorrent, taking away a woman's ability to make their own health choices is abhorrent, effectively allowing the state to have control over women bodily autonomy is abhorrent.

So yeah pretending your sky daddy needs more drones to worship him is ridiculous, saying a few cells are a person is ridiculous (given the vast majority of terminations are well before 12 weeks). Everything about your replies ate ridiculous.

I mean it's clear you're an idiot, just looking at the silly emotive language you feel you need to use to discuss this is enough to make that clear.

[Psalms]

Thanks for expounding on your idiotic diagnosis.

You are not an idiot. To you, people are just another form of animal and therefore you encourage yourself and others to behave like animals. You are indeed true to yourself and the lineage who raised you

[happyhammerhead]

Jul 2, 2022 23:04:13 GMT Psalms said:

So on top of killing the unborn, the female (no way a mother) has also denied them their opportunity for freedom of choice as to religion.

If she's not a mother, she cannot have killed her child, because she hasn't one.

Glad you wrapped that up yourself.

[Psalms]

Your response is borderline tedious. A mother would not kill her unborn - but a simple female would. She doesn't deserve to be called a mother

[Repat Van]

Jul 2, 2022 14:38:53 GMT Psalms said:

A good analogy for abortion is the previous practice of American slavery :

1. A slave was said not have a soul, and therefore was not considered fully human, making them equal to livestock. The owner could kill any part of his herd if he so chose.

2. The unborn is also not considered human, and therefore the carrier (the mother) can kill any number that she conceives.

In fact, the literary masterpiece - Uncle Tom's Cabin - was written to teach the general public that black slaves are human by showing that they are able to become Christians because they do in fact have souls (unlike an animal) and therefore can be saved and one day enter Heaven. Tom was shown to be the ultimate Christian - the perfect example

It’s not a good analogy it’s a racist analogy.

(It’s also a stupid analogy as slaves are not making biological use of their owners organs, nor are they housed within the bodies of their owners. Try harder.)

[Repat Van]

Jul 3, 2022 1:33:41 GMT Psalms said:

Your response is borderline tedious. A mother would not kill her unborn - but a simple female would. She doesn't deserve to be called a mother

I am pretty sure a woman seeking a termination does not consider herself a mother. This is not the burn you think it is.

[Psalms]

That would be her only correct realization

[Psalms]

Jul 3, 2022 2:41:31 GMT Repat Van said:

Jul 2, 2022 14:38:53 GMT Psalms said:

A good analogy for abortion is the previous practice of American slavery :

1. A slave was said not have a soul, and therefore was not considered fully human, making them equal to livestock. The owner could kill any part of his herd if he so chose.

2. The unborn is also not considered human, and therefore the carrier (the mother) can kill any number that she conceives.

In fact, the literary masterpiece - Uncle Tom's Cabin - was written to teach the general public that black slaves are human by showing that they are able to become Christians because they do in fact have souls (unlike an animal) and therefore can be saved and one day enter Heaven. Tom was shown to be the ultimate Christian - the perfect example

It’s not a good analogy it’s a racist analogy.

(It’s also a stupid analogy as slaves are not making biological use of their owners organs, nor are they housed within the bodies of their owners. Try harder.)

That is not even a good response . . there is nothing racist there - there is not a racist idea behind every rock and bush, even you might have been taught that by your social peers. It's a very good and applicable analogy and one which you would be best suited to consider. A person who aborts is just like a slaver who kills an unwanted field hand.

[voice]

It's always amusing looking in on what passed for the mind on the right, emotive bullshit and a tendency for dehumanizing those who don't hold to their narrow extreme view of things. Much like that other idiot on here, you are not content to be just wrong-headed you revel in it. Yet both you and the other idiot just spent 2 years moaning that vaccine mandates are tyranny and the state has no place telling you what to do with your bodies, and your Healthcare choices have nothing to do with the state.

The hypocrisy is off the scale.

[ootlg]

Why not just accept that some are against abortion? No need to insult people because they hold different views.

[flatandy]

Because they try to impose their position on other people. Psalms can carry on not having an abortion his entire life. But people like Psalms want to prevent other people having that choice. And his defence of his imposition on others is nonsensical.

[mids]

You're imposing your position on foetuses.

Anyway people (try to) impose their positions on people all the time. Politics, woke sh*t etc etc etc. It's not a big deal.

[flatandy]

There are degrees of imposition, though. Asking someone to not be as racist in their language but not legally requiring it is not the equivalent of forcing a woman to give birth to a child even though it might kill her after forcing her through an unnecessary nine months of pregnant misery as a vessel for a future-child she already hates and resents

[Psalms]

Jul 3, 2022 9:47:51 GMT ootlg said:

Why not just accept that some are against abortion? No need to insult people because they hold different views.

They often snarl and bark when frightened

[Psalms]

Jul 3, 2022 11:58:49 GMT flatandy said:

Because they try to impose their position on other people. Psalms can carry on not having an abortion his entire life. But people like Psalms want to prevent other people having that choice. And his defence of his imposition on others is nonsensical.

I think my analogy is accurate, that a woman who aborts her non-human fetus is just like a Slaver who kills his non-human slave.

And I might be the first one to put these two together, too

[jimboky]

Jul 3, 2022 3:07:09 GMT Psalms said:

Jul 3, 2022 2:41:31 GMT Repat Van said:

It’s not a good analogy it’s a racist analogy.

(It’s also a stupid analogy as slaves are not making biological use of their owners organs, nor are they housed within the bodies of their owners. Try harder.)

That is not even a good response . . there is nothing racist there - there is not a racist idea behind every rock and bush, even you might have been taught that by your social peers. It's a very good and applicable analogy and one which you would be best suited to consider. A person who aborts is just like a slaver who kills an unwanted field hand.

the slave's body was the owners body, that is the point of slavery, just like the cow's body is the owners to do with as they wish,,,, Steaks tomorrow!!
good point Psalms,

[flatandy]

TBF, jimbo has a good analogy with the cow. If you don’t have a moral compunction about eating steak, you should be fine with abortion. If you’re a vegetarian or vegan, it’s fine by me. But don’t force me to become a vegetarian and don’t proselytize about it. Just be a vegetarian or don’t have abortions and keep it to yourself. Don’t try and make everyone adhere to you weird morality.

[wetkingcanute]

OK here comes my first post on this thread:

It's nobody's business but the woman's.

I see absolutely no problem in abortion up to 24 weeks. And by far most abortions are carried out before 24 weeks.

After 24 weeks a great deal of consideration should go into it - and a great deal of consideration does go into it...but it is still up to the mother.

It is no good anti abortionist painting pictures of fully grown babies being aborted at nine months because that is extremely rare and only done in exceptional circumstances.

[Repat Van]

Jul 3, 2022 12:34:34 GMT Psalms said:

Jul 3, 2022 11:58:49 GMT flatandy said:

Because they try to impose their position on other people. Psalms can carry on not having an abortion his entire life. But people like Psalms want to prevent other people having that choice. And his defence of his imposition on others is nonsensical.

I think my analogy is accurate, that a woman who aborts her non-human fetus is just like a Slaver who kills his non-human slave.

And I might be the first one to put these two together, too

It’s really not. For the reasons I stated.

But you’re an idiot which is probably why you think the analogy works.

[Repat Van]

This is why I don’t think it should be called “pro-life” as that position shows time and time again they could not care less about the life of the woman housing the foetus:

truthout.org/articles/treatments-for-ectopic-pregnancies-in-missouri-are-delayed-due-to-trigger-law/


“Due to a restrictive new anti-abortion law in Missouri, health care providers in the state are reportedly waiting until ectopic pregnancies become dangerous to provide medical treatment — despite the fact that such pregnancies are known to be painful, nonviable and potentially fatal to those who experience them.

Early treatment is essential in ectopic pregnancies. In rare cases, they can resolve on their own, but most of the time, an abortion is required to protect the health of the pregnant person.

Due to the wording of the Missouri law, however, many patients are being told that they have to wait until their lives are in more immediate danger to get an abortion, according to Jane van Dis, an assistant professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the University of Rochester.

This is like going to the doctor with appendicitis, doctor confirming appendicitis, and then waiting for your appendix to burst and poisoning your bloodstream before taking it out,” author Patrick S. Tomlinson said. “It’s medical malpractice.”

According to bioethicist and surgeon Louise Perkins King, medical professionals’ fears of being prosecuted for performing abortions too early in ectopic pregnancies are warranted.“