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[perrykneeham]

You wish. He'll hand-off the role at the right moment. Inflation down, Russia humiliated, Brexit done etc.

Everyone will have forgotten about eating cake in No. 10 and it will all seem like a silly bit of Covid cabin fever.

Even those who are still struggling with long brexit and long partygate will have to accept that the object of their future has escaped their anti-democratic clutches, leaving his successors a free run to glory.

[perrykneeham]

I think we're starting to see a mass breakout of Long Boris-22. Nasty.

[perrykneeham]

Breaking news: Johnson resigns!

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/61718753

[mids]

Hahahahaha, thingy.

[mids]

Brilliant. Utterly brilliant.

"I am very happy [he won the confidence vote]. He is a true friend of Ukraine...I am glad we have not lost a very important ally"

order-order.com/2022/06/07/zelenskyy-celebrates-boriss-win-smug-lefty-tweeters-left-with-egg-on-face/

[mids]

And while Boris is out there saving lives, all the BBCEU can do is squeak, "but he ate cake".

[flatandy]

Man who's trying to get given billions of quids worth of weapons by other man doesn't call that man a bumbling imbecilic cretin, even if that man is a bumbling imbecilic cretin. Shocker.

[perrykneeham]

Jun 7, 2022 12:23:37 GMT flatandy said:

Man who's trying to get given billions of quids worth of weapons by other man doesn't call that man a bumbling imbecilic cretin, even if that man is a bumbling imbecilic cretin. Shocker.

He knows that the alternative is unbuttered parsnips.

[mids]

And Laura Keunssberg.

[flatandy]

Jun 7, 2022 12:40:11 GMT perrykneeham said:

Jun 7, 2022 12:23:37 GMT flatandy said:

Man who's trying to get given billions of quids worth of weapons by other man doesn't call that man a bumbling imbecilic cretin, even if that man is a bumbling imbecilic cretin. Shocker.

He knows that the alternative is unbuttoned parsnips.

That's a good description of the potential Tory leadership challengers, yes.

[perrykneeham]

Gah! Unbuttered.

[flatandy]

Either way, it's a good description of the Tory runners-and-riders.

[ootlg]

Anyway, it's been a great public denouement of the extreme corruption within the Tory party.

[perrykneeham]

Hardly, but I do wish we could have a national conversation about corruption. We seem to have become a nation of spivs and talkers.

[ootlg]

I don't know what's happened to the standards of decency. They appear to have collapsed since Johnson became PM.

[perrykneeham]

Nah, it's been a long time coming TBH. I think Blair had a lot to do with it. Maybe it's because we're more interconnected or because we're so service-led.

It seems like they've made it cool to be shallow, flashy and insincere.

[flatandy]

I think there's permanent moral scare. Everyone always thinks standards are falling. They've been doing so since I've been aware. They were reporting on it in the 60s, and 50s, and 30s, and 20s. And I think through most of the Victorian era. People like to always imagine things were somehow better in the past. They generally weren't. There wasn't a moral golden age.

[ootlg]

Standards have changed. No question about it.

[perrykneeham]

Jun 7, 2022 15:16:51 GMT flatandy said:

I think there's permanent moral scare. Everyone always thinks standards are falling. They've been doing so since I've been aware. They were reporting on it in the 60s, and 50s, and 30s, and 20s. And I think through most of the Victorian era. People like to always imagine things were somehow better in the past. They generally weren't. There wasn't a moral golden age.

That's true, except that people at least cared about their reputations and other people cared that'll they cared. A good example might be The Bank Manager who used to be someone of impeccable moral character. There was a time when getting a divorce would disqualify you from that position. Now, they'll might seem extreme, but it tends to keep people on the straight and narrow. Think about the people who are allowed to countersign your passport photo - they are all people who can have their membership of trade bodies scrubbed I they get caught doing something dishonest

[voice]

It's always been like this

These youths wearing their togas halfway down their legs. Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book.
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