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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 25, 2022 16:20:25 GMT
She's not dead yet, that's the main reason.
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Post by flatandy on Jun 25, 2022 17:18:58 GMT
The monarchy is dogshit, of course. And the UK has constructed its own anti-majoritarian “democracy”, of course. But the US system is clearly rubbish and needs to be sorted out.
The UK system would be better with an elected head of state who has about as much power at QE2 does now, but also with a better electoral system so that the governing party can actually reasonably be said to have popular support rather than the weird structure we have now. Ranked choice voting in constituencies would do the trick.
Anyway, no civil war is coming to the US. The people who’re armed and crazy and desperate to have a fight and think they’ve been the victims since 1865 are the same ones who devised a system of governance that doesn’t work and who benefit from the legislature’s inability to legislate and who’ve managed to impose a majority on the Supreme Court appointed by Presidents who were elected with fewer votes than their main opponent. The ones with the guns have no reason to fight apart from being the kind of drunken barroom arses who’re always looking for a fight.
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Post by jimboky on Jun 25, 2022 19:41:27 GMT
But the US system is clearly rubbish and needs to be sorted out.
true, ever since Biden managed to worm his way into president it has gone to -hit, if however the country manages to survive till Jan '25 and a Republican replaces it will be sorted out,
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 26, 2022 7:07:16 GMT
What you need is a constitutional Monarchy, squire. Most of the better countries in the World do, you know. this from a country who turned their monarch into a side-show Shouldn’t the monarch be a side show. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 26, 2022 7:08:25 GMT
Nah, you might have noticed her about recently. She retains all manner or powers, not the least of which are the utmost loyalty and affection of her subjects. Some of her subjects. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 26, 2022 7:10:23 GMT
The overwheamling majority, I would say. A few stroppy teenagers and lefties cry-babies might affect disapproval, but really, she is much loved.
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Post by ootlg on Jun 26, 2022 9:16:58 GMT
'Loved' is a bit strong. She's become an icon for those short on imagination I agree, the same sort who chant Chelsea, Chelsea, Keep Britain White, and vote Brexit. The retired crooks who drive expensive cars and live in the home counties, know what I mean?
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 26, 2022 9:18:45 GMT
No.
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Post by ootlg on Jun 26, 2022 9:29:43 GMT
The post was a bit selective I agree, and meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Personally I think I'd prefer a benign dictatorship, but how can you guarantee the benign bit? No system of rule is perfect, but most people need to be told what to do - they like it and feel secure.
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Post by flatandy on Jun 26, 2022 14:25:42 GMT
Maybe monarchists actually do believe what Baloo wrote, which might explain why they’re monarchists. They might genuinely think that there are 60 million people who actively adore her maj and who’re genuinely loyal to her as a person. They actually might not know that the vast majority don’t really give a toss about her or the institution.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 26, 2022 14:41:48 GMT
Link?
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Post by ootlg on Jun 26, 2022 14:42:53 GMT
Declaring allegiance to any figurehead is odd, a bit sort of Three Musketeers romantic, all very honorable and unassailable but ultimately more an indication to the character of the devotee, someone who feels the need to be part of a gang. I don't think this is Baloo's motive - he just believes it's the best type of state leadership. I think maybe my feelings about monarchy are based on the absurdity of the British example.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 26, 2022 14:46:00 GMT
Maybe monarchists actually do believe what Baloo wrote, which might explain why they’re monarchists. They might genuinely think that there are 60 million people who actively adore her maj and who’re genuinely loyal to her as a person. They actually might not know that the vast majority don’t really give a toss about her or the institution. |
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Post by ootlg on Jun 26, 2022 15:10:35 GMT
Hahaha... Other public figures liked by Queen Elizabeth II's fans include Philip Green, third from top.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 26, 2022 15:13:43 GMT
Odd that, as I'm pretty confident that he's a public hate figure.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 26, 2022 15:15:54 GMT
Yeah, that's gotta be a glitch. He has a 6% approval rating.
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Post by flatandy on Jun 26, 2022 15:59:20 GMT
Maybe monarchists actually do believe what Baloo wrote, which might explain why they’re monarchists. They might genuinely think that there are 60 million people who actively adore her maj and who’re genuinely loyal to her as a person. They actually might not know that the vast majority don’t really give a toss about her or the institution. So, not what you claimed then. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jun 26, 2022 16:05:16 GMT
Damned sight closer than what you claimed. Damned site.
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Post by flatandy on Jun 26, 2022 16:13:04 GMT
It could easily match what I claimed. And it could sort of match what you claimed, I suppose, at a push. Basically, it’s a useless piece of data for tracking your belief that her maj has the undying adoration and loyalty of almost everyone. Well, we know that “almost everyone” can’t exceed 75%.
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Post by Repat Van on Jun 26, 2022 16:40:52 GMT
The overwheamling majority, I would say. A few stroppy teenagers and lefties cry-babies might affect disapproval, but really, she is much loved. “Overwhelmingly majority”…doubt. I would probably agree that the majority are not republicans but most being “loyal and affectionate to the crown”? Doubt. |
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