US 2024 Election

[perrykneeham]

I disagree. The damage was done by the adolescent seediness of the act and the fact that he couldn't bring himself to own up.

This showed that the PotUS was a creepy liar and that justice and democratic accountability don't work and that the people at the too don't believe in it.

Hardly George Washington and the cherry tree example, was it?

[flatandy]

So you choose to ignore all the other seediness and lying from US presidents that preceded it?

[rick49]

Apr 27, 2023 16:00:58 GMT perrykneeham said:

I think you miss the point about Clinton. It was a trivial private matter (well, apart from the inappropriate nature of relationship) but it was very seedy. The fact was that he was made to jump through sematic hoops in public. The PotUS, made to look like a creepy perv and then lying to the faces of his interrogators. Not a good look.

what he did may have been a trivial private matter. i think most of our presidents played around. jfk was a notorious womanizer but the media covered it up to preserve his image. what sunk clinton is that he lied under oath about it. that isn't trivial. nixon wasn't impeached for the watergate break in. he never ordered the break in and didn't know about it until it exploded on tv. he was impeached for lying about it once he knew about it.

[perrykneeham]

Yeah, the World was watching, in no doubt whatsoever of his guilt, as he squirmed and lied under oath.

[mids]

Has everyone noticed that the worst presidents are always Democrats? Weird coincidence.

[rick49]

(possible exception: Jimmy Carter)

carter may be one of the few presidents who didn't fool around on their wives. ronald reagan being another.

[rick49]

and clinton was hardly destroyed by his impeachment. have to admit i kind of like him now. and i love this cartoon.

[voice]

The difference with Clinton was the appearance of Newt Gingrich, Clinton was probably the first to send the other side into full on apoplectic rage and hatred. Non of the past president's were even put under oath for ther transgressions, there had been gentleman's agreement to not talk about JFK shagging around, or LBJ slapping his junk on the desk all the time, and no one ever made a thing about FDR being in a wheelchair or Reagan suffering from early onset dementia towards the end of his time in office, and Ford gave Nixon a free pass and most agreed it was for the best. Only after Gingrich its gotten in reacingly personal and nasty. These days you no longer have a loyal opposition you have enemies who want to destroy the country, quite kutterally with the likes of MTG and Geatz who no longer even agree with democracy.

If there is rott it's root is in the divisions being much worse and the no compromise no quarter given. And the otherside being child eating pedophiles.

[rick49]

rfk jr. up to 19% big whoop, but he's going up as the left becomes more disillusioned with biden. and we have a long way to go yet. biden's campaign strategy? hide in the basement again.

[voice]

He stands no chance what so ever, despite the GOP bigging up his chances. After all he's much closer to the GOP than he is to being a true democrat.

[Repat Van]

Apr 27, 2023 17:33:11 GMT rick49 said:

(possible exception: Jimmy Carter)

carter may be one of the few presidents who didn't fool around on their wives. ronald reagan being another.

Obama and Bush (both).

[rick49]

yup.

[rick49]

Clinton was probably the first to send the other side into full on apoplectic rage and hatred.

Lincoln.

[ootlg]

Rumour had it that Reagan was giving Thatcher a seeing-to. Or vice-versa.

[flatandy]

I find it so weird that "the harm done to the US" by Clinton is viewed as him eliding the truth when talking to Congress, rather than him massively abusing the power dynamics when getting a blowie from an intern.

[rick49]

He stands no chance what so ever,

neither did truman.

[rick49]

The parallels between 1948’s ‘Dewey defeats Truman’ election and today

"The famous “Dewey defeats Truman” presidential election was 72 years ago and reminders of what was an epic polling failure echo to this day. For pollsters, pundits, and the press, Democrat Harry Truman’s surprise victory over Republican Thomas E. Dewey in 1948 is, or ought to be, an enduring reminder about the perils of extreme overconfidence."
fortune.com/2020/11/02/dewey-defeats-truman-1948-election-2020/

"In early 1948, Harry Truman prepared to run for President in his own right. Few people gave him any chance of reaching his goal."
www.trumanlibrary.gov/education/presidential-inquiries/election-1948

never say never.

[voice]

Oh it will be close, but after loosing 3 elections in a row and the popular vote in the one before, and given polling has his stubbornly around 30% nationally (this will rise if he sees off DeSantos and Haley), but he's even more unpopular than Biden. In fact a majority in recent polls want neither of em to run.

The only chance the GOP has these days is via voter suppression, they know in more and more places, and certainly nationally, they are the minority party, but rather than look at their policies and try to create wider appeal by reducing the crazy, it's been GOPs main policy for the last decade to make sure only their voters get to vote.

[flatandy]

Of course, polling is better now, and much more common, than in 1948. It's not really a fair comparison.

Also, and more pertinently, that was a Presidential election with a fairly evenly divided country rather than a Democratic primary with an incumbent President running. No incumbent President has ever lost a primary. If we're still talking about RFKJr, which I thought we were.

[rick49]

If we're still talking about RFKJr, which I thought we were.

it was a response to the things dismissing rfk's chances out of hand, not trump vs uncle joe.