US 2024 Election

[Repat Van]

May 26, 2023 13:09:30 GMT flatandy said:

I'm not really sure where to put this, but it's some fascinating research. Basically, on all the "culture war" bollocks, British Conservatives are closer to US Democrats, and much closer to British Labour than they are to US Republicans. While the Spectator Cunts go big on all this stuff, most actual British Tories are way more liberal and tolerant and don't give a f**k. It's why the Culture War playbook that idiots like Sue Ellen keep trying is basically a recipe for failure. Also, interesting fact I didn't know from down the thread: Black brits live longer than white brits. (Also almost all Brits live longer than almost all Americans except Asian Americans).

Other stuff in that shows that while racism and prejudice in the UK still exists (and Brits should try and fix that), it's basically trivial compared to how bad it is in the US, and that's one reason BLM in Britain was a complete soggy squid.

That was a good read.

Some of his points are odd (the point about the US fighting a war over slavery ignores that the UK only avoided that because they chose to throw money at slavers) and the point about segregated cities makes no sense given how ethnic minorities are a far smaller proportion of UK society. But overall an interesting read.

[rick49]

RFK Jr, Williamson gaining ground on Biden in new CNN poll

"In additional bad news for Biden, majorities of those groups expressed openness to both of his challengers, with 64% open to RFK Jr. and 53% willing to consider Williamson."
hotair.com/headlines/2023/05/26/rfk-jr-williamson-gaining-ground-on-biden-in-new-cnn-poll-n553787

[rick49]

uncle joe's popularity falling among the donks. more and more think he's too old, and 64% seriously open to RFK jr. things could get very interesting.

[voice]

I don't think he's worried

Polls ending yesterday
President: Democratic primary, 2024
May 22-25

Echelon Insights
Biden 60%
Kennedy 14%
Williamson 5%

projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/

He's doing better than looser boy

Average as of today
Trump
53.9%
DeSantis
20.4%
Pence
5.3%
Haley
4.3%
Ramaswamy
3.8%
Scott
1.6%
Hutchinson
0.7%

[voice]

There's a lot at stake in 2024, despite Biden beating Trump last time and despite Trumps coup and insurrection failing, the GOP and the right in general in the US are still hell bent on ending US democracy. Those who ignored the rise of right wing violence in the run up to 2020 are continuing to ignore the greater risk in the run up to 2024, and while the foot soldiers of the coup are being prosecuted those who planned and instigated the coup are still free to plot for the next one.

www.salon.com/2023/05/25/violence-is-the-new-grift/?fbclid=IwAR0GE20iEqO94zKKADaIPq9mpfllHboKMKDA1k2_Tfd97aWKgrupi2XEbzk

[ootlg]

So many parallels with the UK.

[mids]

Yeah both remain and Trump bleating about stolen elections and referendums.

[ootlg]

B..but you're a Trump groupie..

[Repat Van]

May 28, 2023 10:24:37 GMT mids said:

Yeah both remain and Trump bleating about stolen elections and referendums.

You love Trump though.

[mids]

What you perceive as love, normal people perceive as lack of TDS.

[rick49]

despite RFK Jrs. vaccine stance, he would still be head and shoulders over joe or the cackling one.

[flatandy]

What's weird is that RFK seems to be basically standing on a completely mainstream Democrat position (just like Kamala or Joe).

[rick49]

May 28, 2023 16:39:16 GMT flatandy said:

What's weird is that RFK seems to be basically standing on a completely mainstream Democrat position (just like Kamala or Joe).

i think he's a lot more intelligent than biden. when biden was in the senate he got the reputation by beltway insiders as being the dumbest man in washington. i don't think RFK is anywhere near as far left as biden is, or whoever's running the show. biden only won because he wasn't trump. i think RFK, aside from the vaccine thing, is a lot more rational than biden.

[voice]

It's funny seeing the far right idiot brigade glomming onto Kenedy, pretending he's mainstream and rational, a man who's been grifting off a whole swath of conspiracy theories, not just antivax (no conspiracies ever stops at 1), and who pals around with and shares the stage routinely with a motley collection of traitors insurectionists cranks and cooks such as Micheal Flyn Rodger Stone, Mike Addams and Dell Digtree.

Also he stands less chance of getting the nomination theman Nicky Haley

Though all thet is not as funny as the idiot thinking Biden, the ultimate centrist middle of the road classic Democrat is extremely left wing. Though making sh*t up about Biden being the dumbest man in Washington is what we expect from the idiot. Odd he still slavishly supports a man who can't read more than a few words, is famous for having the vocabulary of an 8 year without the intelect of one, oh and who us a convicted sexual predator.

[perrykneeham]

As opposed to an unconvicted one?

[perrykneeham]

No edge here, but can someone with some knowledge of the subject tell me what Biden's appeal is? He obviously must have something and he can't be an idiot, but I don't know much about the bloke.

He seems pretty unexceptional in many ways, so is he a committee man or something like that?

[voice]

In 2020 it was mainly after 4 years of chaos division failure and rampant corruption boring competence and return to something akin to normality was proffered.

In 2024 it's less of that, polling shows not many want him to get another 4 years, but they want Trump back far far less. The GOP by backing Trump is probably handing the presidency to Biden, but every other GOP potential would probably beat him easily, and they'd probably get the Senate and keep the house as well. Trump is a massive drag on the GOP, his presence lost them the house and senate in 18 and dampened the expected red rave in 22 to little more than a ripple.

[perrykneeham]

I see that he was a palatable candidate in a GE, but I don't see how someone like that gets to be the Dems' choice. Of course, you can argue the same about Trump.

[mids]

Biden's utterly, utterly, utterly appalling but he's the best the Dems have got. Weakness in shallows. WiN.

[voice]

May 28, 2023 21:14:32 GMT perrykneeham said:

I see that he was a palatable candidate in a GE, but I don't see how someone like that gets to be the Dems' choice. Of course, you can argue the same about Trump.

Suppose him being quite a successful legislator during his time in the senate and his reputation as a middle of the road centerist who worked well with GOP to get important stuff done. Though I think he was seen as the best to beat Trump in 20, and he did. Many thought he should have run in 16, but I think that's the problem with any party having a presumptive nominee, it hobbled em from getting better candidates. And he would have been much better than Hillary The GOP are facing this problem now, having a looser who is more likely to keep loosing, than someone better who could win, be their presumptive nominee.