Jobs for Britsh Workers - Browns big lie

[Yawper]

Strikers want Gordon Brown to make good his promise contained in a speech to the Labour Party conference 16 months ago, when he said there would be "British jobs for British workers".

David Cameron, the Conservative leader, said: "I completely understand people's anxieties about unemployment and the effect it has on families and their finances. There are legitimate questions to be asked of this company. If it is disqualifying British workers from applying for jobs then that is illegal. But the Prime Minister should never have used that slogan. He has been taking people for fools and has been found out."

Figures for the Office for National Statistics show 3.7 million non-British born workers in the country last year.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/wildcat-strikers-in-fight-for-british-jobs-1521671.html

60% of Britain's power stations will have to be replaced over the next few years.
We must see steps taken to make sure the Nottinghamshire and Lincolnshire situations are not repeated.

[grizzley]

and its going to get ugly......

business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5622366.ece

[Brittles]

With respect, what a lot of the office borne pontificators on the other thread missed was the point regarding Conditions of Employment - of these Italian workers.

1. Are they employed under British C.o.E or Italian - or even some E.U. hybrid that British trades unions are not aware of?

2. Does their pay conform to the (U.K.) national minimum wage or its Italian equivalent?

3. Are they entiled to U.K. SSP (Statutory Sick Pay) if they fall ill and can't work whilst in the U.K. ?

4. Why is it illegal not to advertise a tender Europe wide but legal NOT to advertise job vacancies Europe wide ?

Would the equivalent situation happen in Italy (or France) - 100% less than no f u c k i n g chance.

Then there is the Jacobs Engineering connection, a Halliburton like dirty shady, finger in evey dirty pie company.

[norfolkdumpling]

What I want to know is why a French Company, Total, asked an American company, Jacobs, to recruit staff??? Seems a weird way to go about hiring staff.

[ricklinc]

Brown opened his mouth and dung fell out. Happens all the time. He saw that it worked for Blair so he tried it out and discovered another talent he hasn't got.

[jonren]

He made a promise to British workers and has made no effort whatsoever to back it up. To say he can do nothing is simply not true. Come election time, the people will not forget.

[ricklinc]

The police certainly turned up for the day. In some pictures it looks like the protestors had a copper each. Wonder how much paperwork got left undone. And I wonder how concerned the government might be. This sort of thing could catch on and pick up once the weather improves and standing around outside a factory with your mates isn't so bad. Especially if there's nothing else to do. Then it's just a case of one minor incident and man the barricades.

Are we finally seeing signs that Britain has had enough?

[sushimo]

Are we finally seeing signs that Britain has had enough?


It might be painful for a while, but I do hope so! It is time Britons started thinking of themselves - every other country does, and rightly so.

[jonren]

The government would be well advised not to take advantage of the British Workers' natural reticence to cause trouble. As the sense of injustice increases they will feel and act differently. Brown must act to prevent serious unrest. We are not like the Fremch and should not be forced to be so but there is a limit to peoples' patience.

[ricklinc]

The trouble is that there are people influencing government policy that really don't believe that anything matters apart from making sure that the British public accept dippy ideas about diversity or some such rubbish. So the police force has been done over to investigate as serious such heinous crimes as sending abusive text messages to lesbians. Not the kind of skill that equips a policeman to deal with several hundred angry protestors. Look at the polite low profile they have to keep when the muslims go off on one in protest. It's been a while since the use of strong tactics has been sanctioned. Wasn't it on the foxhunter set near the start of nu labours reign of error?

If the cops aren't up to it, and some of them tell me that they aren't, then Gordon could bring in troops. Who certainly are up to it but what kind of crazy fool would deploy British troops in Britain? Blair threatened it over the fuel protests but it never happened even though there were some spare at the time because Blair was giving in to the IRA and hadn't yet read the dossier that proved beyond any doubt that Iraq had missles that could reach British bases and could be deployed in 45 minutes.

Any way you look at it, this government has been cheerfully leading Britain to the possibility of a real bad time on the streets. I don't think it would take much more to do it.

[sweet soul]

Some of the protestors looked middle aged and will find it very hard to find another job like the one they have had. They are fighting for work now to keep them from the poverty of the dole. Who can blame them??

[watchman]

Jan 31, 2009 9:12:44 GMT ricklinc said:

Are we finally seeing signs that Britain has had enough?

I think this could well be The Big One. It strikes a chord with so many people - the emergence of "sympathy actions" is particularly significant.

Even if this does end up as a damp squib or some shoddy compromise is reached, the underlying resentments won't go away in a hurry.

[Victor Meldrew]

I've said on other threads before that I've always hated the fact that the people of other Countries get off their arses and do something about issues which concern them, while we British generally tut a bit, moan a bit but accept any crap that's thrown our way. At long last, it's good to see some action over here.

The one thing you can thank Total for is that even the most naive person can now see that Brown was talking out of his backside when he came out with that 'British Jobs for British workers' shite. As a massive supporter of the European Union, he knew full well that it's not possible to give British jobs to British workers while we're a member state. Freedom of movement for EU citizens doesn't allow it.

Strange how I've heard a couple of Labour backbench MPs on TV the last couple of days saying they would like to see British workers doing this work, and they'd be against any similar situations arising in the future. Does this then mean there are some within the Labour Party who aren't actually as united behind their united pro Europe stance after all? They can't be if they're making public their views that they are not happy with this situation. I hope the Tories are keeping a list of their names to sling back at them when Labour inevitably brings up the Clarke/Europe thing again in an attempt to make the Tories look divided on Europe.

[yord]

It will come alright. There isnt the work available and no employer is going to employ regardless now with all the hoops they have jump through in order to do so. Employers dont owe you a living. Food prices are rising on a daily basis and its only a matter of a very short time before food shortages come about.

[yord]

"At long last, it's good to see some action over here "

A complete waste of time, not that that will stop it . The time for action was decades ago

[sushimo]

That's very true Yord, but it's better now than never at all.

It's like harking back to the 70's, it did no good in reality, but it did send out messages to the (then) Labour Govt. and was their demise in the end.

[ricklinc]

Who can blame them? Lots of people.

Bertrus. Seems to have some kind of idyllic gobal village idea. But wants to napalm the Israeli bit.

Omnipresent. Probably feels that these worker and peasant types are wrong because Gordon Brown can produce figures that show that everything is just peachy. Although he might be having doubts. What a kind of a fcuking socialist is Omnipresent really? This is real workers and barricades stuff so why isn't he cheering?

The government. This is a breakdown of law and order. Although why a government that invented ASBOs and appointed a series of ineffectual and incompetent home secretaries feel that they should have a say is a bit of a mystery.

Industry. There's a recession on. Cut costs and get the job done as cheap as possible.

Lots of people are going to blame these guys.

[watchman]

Jan 31, 2009 12:50:49 GMT ricklinc said:

Omnipresent. Probably feels that these worker and peasant types are wrong because Gordon Brown can produce figures that show that everything is just peachy. Although he might be having doubts. What a kind of a fcuking socialist is Omnipresent really? This is real workers and barricades stuff so why isn't he cheering?

Probably too busy studying for his Common Purpose course.

[flatandy]

Look. Brown was wrong to say "British jobs for British people". It was a silly thing to say because he can't offer it.

But it's also a silly thing to say because it's anti-competetive gibberish that offers nothing of any value to the country or the economy. In the long term it offers nothing even for the few British workers who'd get the jobs.

Frankly, I'm a British worker and I'm perfectly happy to have a French or American or Australian job. And I'm a British employer and when I want someone to work I want to choose on the basis of competence, cost, enthusiasm. Not on the basis of what passport someone has.

I can't believe that people still want to go back to the horrible protectionist 1970s with all the attendant restrictive employment practises.

The one area Thatcher properly got right was in terms of reducing beaurocracy to free up trade and business.

Everyone wants to flush that down the toilet.

Bizarre. And wrong.

[sweet soul]

well, the older men who lose jobs have no chance of finding the same kind of work again, and a decent wage, even worse is losing a job to cheap labour from anywhere, abroad, or whatever.